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Post by Warmonger on Jun 22, 2005 21:53:28 GMT
The anonymitity of the internet seems to breed some really strange beliefs on what is appropriate and what isn't.
Ask yourself this before you post. "Am I posting something that, if I said directly to someones face standing right next to me, would likely get popped in the mouth by said person?" If the answer is "yes" then the mods will probably get a bit teed off at you for posting it.
For some reason, people feel that when they are posting in an internet forum, all shreds of public decency no longer apply. They can be as rude, insulting or childish as they want to be, with absolutely no consequences. All I see here is the mods attempting to maintain a level of civil discourse on their forum, and that is THEIR RIGHT to do so! It isn't that hard to discuss the film, regardless of your view on it, in a civil and respectful manner with other posters. However some people seem to think that if they can't be insulting or mean spirited in their posting, then they aren't being allowed to "express themselves".
I've found that most unmoderated forums on the web degenerate into a mess of childish flame wars and trolls. I applaud any forum that attempts to keep its members communicating in a civil way with each other.
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Post by Marcus on Jun 22, 2005 22:04:05 GMT
Oh I can deal with blunt Ashe, infact I rather appreciate it from you.
And warmonger, we arnt argueing that the Board is moderated, or that insults and arguements are stopped, where arguing that discussions are, just because they MAY turn into the former.
Please read all the complaints on here before assuming why where complaining.
And Ashe... okay...
"Or knock anyone who doesnt even slightly share you point of view..."
Oh, and yes, Nerfy has the right to do this because he has that special title on the Board. Right, I get that. He doesnt have to be polite, or argue in a mature manor because hes a Mod.
Good god I see the error of my ways.
And just because he has the status, doesnt mean he deserves it, or particulary uses it well. He just has it.
Big difference.
And yes, I was rude, and insulting, because thats the attitude I got from him. If he wants to be like that, I'll be like that too.
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Post by beecus on Jun 22, 2005 22:04:07 GMT
The anonymitity of the internet seems to breed some really strange beliefs on what is appropriate and what isn't. Ask yourself this before you post. "Am I posting something that, if I said directly to someones face standing right next to me, would likely get popped in the mouth by said person?" If the answer is "yes" then the mods will probably get a bit teed off at you for posting it. For some reason, people feel that when they are posting in an internet forum, all shreds of public decency no longer apply. They can be as rude, insulting or childish as they want to be, with absolutely no consequences. All I see here is the mods attempting to maintain a level of civil discourse on their forum, and that is THEIR RIGHT to do so! It isn't that hard to discuss the film, regardless of your view on it, in a civil and respectful manner with other posters. However some people seem to think that if they can't be insulting or mean spirited in their posting, then they aren't being allowed to "express themselves". I've found that most unmoderated forums on the web degenerate into a mess of childish flame wars and trolls. I applaud any forum that attempts to keep its members communicating in a civil way with each other. Seconded!
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Post by Gnorn on Jun 22, 2005 22:21:18 GMT
The anonymitity of the internet seems to breed some really strange beliefs on what is appropriate and what isn't. Ask yourself this before you post. "Am I posting something that, if I said directly to someones face standing right next to me, would likely get popped in the mouth by said person?" If the answer is "yes" then the mods will probably get a bit teed off at you for posting it. For some reason, people feel that when they are posting in an internet forum, all shreds of public decency no longer apply. They can be as rude, insulting or childish as they want to be, with absolutely no consequences. All I see here is the mods attempting to maintain a level of civil discourse on their forum, and that is THEIR RIGHT to do so! It isn't that hard to discuss the film, regardless of your view on it, in a civil and respectful manner with other posters. However some people seem to think that if they can't be insulting or mean spirited in their posting, then they aren't being allowed to "express themselves". I've found that most unmoderated forums on the web degenerate into a mess of childish flame wars and trolls. I applaud any forum that attempts to keep its members communicating in a civil way with each other. hear hear -Gnorn
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Post by Ashe Raven on Jun 22, 2005 22:21:22 GMT
Comments, no matter how low have been alllowed to continue until they have degenerated. So many chances are given until the mods have has to act. They do not abuse their power, you abuse it. You abuse their patience (which up until now has been endless) and you abuse their good nature.
You want to mod your own forum one day, You guys have gotten away with far more than I personally would ever had allowed.
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Post by Marcus on Jun 22, 2005 22:33:26 GMT
Comments, no matter how low have been alllowed to continue until they have degenerated. So many chances are given until the mods have has to act. They do not abuse their power, you abuse it. You abuse their patience (which up until now has been endless) and you abuse their good nature. You want to mod your own forum one day, You guys have gotten away with far more than I personally would ever had allowed. I do. Just hit the link in my Signature, and it will take you to the site where I mod, and admin. Aswell as update Pages and own a room, which I also have to Mod in real time. So I know how hard it is in real time, and not just over a MB. And I also know that some post have been stopped and locked before anything particulary wrong happened on then. And that I myself would not of locked them, and clearly others feel the same way too.
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Post by Ashe Raven on Jun 22, 2005 22:42:51 GMT
The no offense, take your insults to your own forum.
It's clearly not welcome here
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Post by Marcus on Jun 22, 2005 22:59:05 GMT
Ohhh... the retort of a person who has no better arguement.
No matter what Ive said that you have construde as insulting you just sunk below it.
And I wasnt being unsulting until I read Nerfys more recent post. You need to look at it from both sides, not be oblivious to others arguements just because you dont agree with them.
After all its clearly not welcome here.
I agree the Mods do a good job, 95% of the time, and the 5% of the time they do doesnt.
Its there completly lack of acknowledgement to the complaints leveled against them that gets me.
But yes, their nice people, and do their jobs well most of the time.
See, both sides of the arguement, you should try it one day instead of coming back with answers that amount to nothing more than...
"If you challenge my opinion, your not welcome here..."
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jun 22, 2005 23:08:25 GMT
I will not try to justify myself to you further. I've done enough. I've been more than polite. Actually, Marcus, I've tried to discuss this whole thing in a mature way. What the hell do you think this whole thread is for? I don't give a monkeys about your previous experience. Why? Because it hasn't taught you a thing. Especially as far as this board is concerned. How would you like it if I came onto your forum and started flinging unsupported and untrue accusations about about your modding ability? Not much I should think. You seem to think that we should prove ourselves to you. The fact is, if you have a complaint you should have something to support it. This is not your forum, it is Rob's and he has asked us to moderate this forum in a certain way. End of story. I have tried to put forth a reasonable case and it's obviously wasted. I've been polite and tried to answer people's grievances yet you still want to pick a fight. Fine, don't listen to what I have to say.. ie.. the TRUTH. It's a pity, but, with your last post adressed to me, you lost any sympathy I might have had with you. Personal attacks are so sad. You can stay here or leave, I really don't care. Just don't let the door hit your backside on the way out. At least the Doctor had the courage of his convictions and left. Sort of. This forum is going to be run the way Rob asks whether people like you like it or not. And that really is that.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 22, 2005 23:21:29 GMT
Marcus, you ask me to prove that everything that the Master said is wrong? How about someone proving that any of it was right? You guys want to fling accusations, surely the onus is on you to back up what you say. I've given opportunities for this but no one has taken me up on it. That speaks volumes. At the end of the day, we are not accountable to you, we are accountable only to the webmaster, Rob. He's the one made the rules that you agreed to when you signed up. It's his site and his perogative. We don't have to explain our actions to anyone and we are doing what we are asked to do in a fair way as we possibly can. Think thats a harsh comment? I'm sure someone is now going to say that that is typical of the mod attitudes here and that therefore every little bit of dirt they fling at us is going to stick. Wrong. We're just tired of trying to answer unfair comments on our work. You've had your chance to prove bad mod practice and you can't. We've gone above and beyond to try and explain ourselves but it appears it has all been pointless. I have argued my case in as plain and fair way as I possibly can and still people think they know better. I wanted to give the 'unhappy' a voice and give my answers in kind. Alas, everything I say has been twisted or ignored, and the same old unsupported crap is still being rolled out. I've given you a chance to speak, support your words and hear my point of view. I am not going to repeat myself like a broken record when everything I say is falling on deaf ears. You don't like it here, you know where the door is. Thats all I have to say. Okay, for one I actually sudgested alternatives to the locked threads, so dont insult me my taking that attitude with me. Your pissed off? Dont take the job then. You say we should leave if we dont like the rules? Why dont you if you dont like being critised. Grow up. You want to talk down to me, fine. Ill gladly talk down to you. You think are arguements or armchair revolutions and playground behavior, fine. You got it. And dont ask me to support my claims when you out and out dont support yours. Dont be so arrogant. And I dont feel that I have to link to every page thats been locked, other people has presented their problems, and Im seconding theres. You talk about offensive post but yet you started this topic with words like perfetic and the like... dont be so two faced to yourself. Your a mod, well done. Your not a very good one, mores the pity. Look, I have nothing against you as a person, and I didnt particulary mind your modding, I had mild complainets, yes... but your attitude here only proves that you clearly cant discuss in a mature way... and yet this is the reason you claim to lock threads? And what of the thread about Timothy jumping on Paramounts tail...? Why was that locked? Could it be something bad was said about Jeff Wayne? God forbid it came across that way. I really dont think that, but it does come across this way. And yes, we agreed to the rules, I believe you go overboard with them. And okay, offencive post that are none productive... okay... ATL recently posted in Off Topic, a post that I found offensive, and was clearly an attack on members of the forum who dont bow to his opinion. You posted in it. Was this an offencive post? I think it was. Again, you posted in it. But yet you claim you do your job, or that their is no such thing as preferential treatment. If this site isnt about expressing ones opinion, which is really all the Master was doing, then why is their a Message Board? Surely it would be easier just to scrap it and keep the site alone? I didnt talk down to you, so dont do it too me. I might not have a few extra buttons like you do, but I think Ive proved my worth just as much as you have. And if its Mod Status you want to go off, fine... Ill link you to the sites where I am a mod, and where I am a Admin, and room owner. And where my duties out way yours, and where Im still better at it. Is this post childish? Yes, it is. And Im fully aware of it, but you seem to think anything said against is bad, so whats the point of saying it in a good way? We dont ask for much from the members, we dont need how to be told how to do our mod job from members, though we do except and at times expect some kind of feedback, help, remarks that may be added to the running of the site, but this posting made by you is clearly about you and your job else where that has NO connection to this site at all. I for one would appreciate if you did not come onto this site that is in no way, any shape or form connected with your sites telling us how we should be modding it. That is rude and uncalled for. It does not interest me in the least if you are better at your modding, admin job, so why you include it in your posting is beyond me. You then continue to crtitise the mods by saying were childish yet you post something thats school playground in style - 'Im better than you!'. Good, fine, Im pleased for you, really I am, but I suggest in future that you keep your remarks about how sites are to be run on your own sites. If we were not doing our jobs the way that Rob intended for them to be run, then you would not be reading this from me with the wording 'moderator' on it.
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Post by Ashe Raven on Jun 22, 2005 23:27:14 GMT
Ohhh... the retort of a person who has no better arguement. "If you challenge my opinion, your not welcome here..." No offense, but I never said that. I've always said Iwelcome opposing views. I said take insults elsewhere. do not twist my words. It's not cricket ^^
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Post by Poyks on Jun 22, 2005 23:27:50 GMT
Ohhh... the retort of a person who has no better arguement. No matter what Ive said that you have construde as insulting you just sunk below it. And I wasnt being unsulting until I read Nerfys more recent post. You need to look at it from both sides, not be oblivious to others arguements just because you dont agree with them. After all its clearly not welcome here. I agree the Mods do a good job, 95% of the time, and the 5% of the time they do doesnt. Its there completly lack of acknowledgement to the complaints leveled against them that gets me. But yes, their nice people, and do their jobs well most of the time. See, both sides of the arguement, you should try it one day instead of coming back with answers that amount to nothing more than... "If you challenge my opinion, your not welcome here..." Marcus, just as a fellow member of this board, and as an observer of you're views, would you care to elaborate on the 95% that you mentioned? We've heard an awful lot about the 5%. A valid debate is a balanced debate.
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Post by beecus on Jun 22, 2005 23:30:16 GMT
When all is said and done it comes down to respect.
Someone might not agree with the mods decision, might not like it, might not understand it BUT it MUST be respected.
The rules are laid out quite clearly, we have to agree to them before we even join.
Rob make the rules, the mods make sure they are followed, we have to respect how they choose to enforce them, this is afterall, their site.
We are guests, members yes but still guests.. You wouldn't dare to walk into someones house and tell them how to decorate it or tell them what they can and can't do there.
Same thing applies here.
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Post by Poyks on Jun 22, 2005 23:32:55 GMT
When all is said and done it comes down to respect. Someone might not agree with the mods decision, might not like it, might not understand it BUT it MUST be respected. The rules are laid out quite clearly, we have to agree to them before we even join. Rob make the rules, the mods make sure they are followed, we have to respect how they choose to enforce them, this is afterall, their site. We are guests, members yes but still guests.. You wouldn't dare to walk into someones house and tell them how to decorate it or tell them what they can and can't do there. Same thing applies here. Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jun 22, 2005 23:34:34 GMT
So, on that note, I hereby close this thread (oh listen to them howl). This is now going round in circles and it is plain that some people still don't get the point. I really don't want to spend the rest of my life pointlessly and repetetively answering the same accusations to no avail. If anyone has an issue with me closing this they should PM me. It's easy enough. Finally, a BIG thank you to everyone who has shown us support through this (and that is the vast majority of people). It means alot to us. Thank you. THREAD CLOSED.
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