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Post by P0tn00dle on Jun 21, 2005 10:32:38 GMT
Hello everyone, whilst i agree that the threads on this board should be for general discussion and not for causing trouble or slagging people off, sometimes its hard to ignore comments made by others about issues close to your heart or personal comments about yourself from other people. To leave these comments uncontested doesnt seem fair to the person thats having a problem dealing with them......I used to play a mmorpg called eternal lands and there forum had a topic thread just for flame posts so people could sort out there problems. There were no problems in the other posts as any that were causing trouble were simply moved into the flames section.........i know that wotwonline would like to avoid arguments but this aint a perfect world and we are only human, so mabey this flame catagory would be an option you may like to consider?. B.T.W. I too have only respect for the way the mods do there job and so far i havent seen any unfairness by the mods here, and i would also like to say that the majority of people here are as friendly as you could wish for for the whole, my thanks to you all
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Post by Zoë on Jun 21, 2005 10:34:34 GMT
I'm disgusted that members are dissin' this site on other forums. This site is THE best and most respected site for WOTW information, I jus have to say, I agree with you SO much on that. I mean I never really have a reason to talk about this site online (I dont go on any other message boards) but say if it comes up in a conversation, with friends, all i can do is praise this board. Im not trying to suck up or anything like that, but I just thought Id have to say it really is the best and im happy to be here. Just thanks really. (I know its what other people have said, but I really had to say it aswell)
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 21, 2005 11:10:12 GMT
Guys, thank you for your kind words. As we have already pointed out, we dont get paid for this, not money wise anyways, but with the love of TWOTW. What we want is for people to come to this site and feel welcomed and without having to see rude and offensive remarks. This is not good for the members, this is not good for the site, this is not good for Rob the webmaster. Many of you clearly see what we are acheiving, though other sdon't. I have no problem with that. But as mods, we must draw the line at being told how to do our jobs. And for those that do that, that is direspectful, we don't tell you how to do your job and IF we did you would be the first to comment. We are all a community of TWOTW followers. The members come togther as one, become friends, but the mods are also the same as you chaps - friends and dont forget, we too were members before becoming mods, given the job because of our understanding and the fact that people can rely on us to get the job done. The problem is that there are a lot of sites about the net that do turn a blind eye to negative views, rude comments and such, but because were not like that, keeping WOTWOnline a place of friendly chat and stopp-ing problems accuring we appear to be singled out as online 'nazi's'. There are also many sites about the net that wont let people get away with such views and such likes. One example is the 'Living TV' site. You think were harsh at times, what do you make of this - you cant swear (thats deleated straight away or entire post removed), you cant post up links (link is removed or entire post removed), images cant be posted up, email addys cant be posted up (there removed), you cant contact other members for personal arrangements (if you do it leads to a ban) - now thats just a few I have highlighted, and thiese are some of the reasons why I hardly post on that site because were limited to what we can do. All we ask is to have some respect for others, members, mods, people who care about this site and other WOTW sites in general. Because one day you'll come to this site and find it not here, gone, all because we cant continue to run a site where people cant get on. This is a good site and to be fair, I have never even heard one comment from anyone on this site that says this is a bad site. . . . So we must clearly be doing our jobs right and will continue to do so. Guys, enjoy the site for what it is, with 880 members its not all bad
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Post by David Faltskog on Jun 21, 2005 11:19:12 GMT
Guys, enjoy the site for what it is, with 880 members its not all bad That's what they said about the Titanic. D.F.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 21, 2005 11:41:39 GMT
[/quote] LOL ;D, yah daft bugger!. Thats neat, that made me laugh. Oh, if you have a SACD unit and play the album you will hear Ozzie, so he is back and this time it's war.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Jun 21, 2005 11:49:42 GMT
people will always disagree with others over things, hell im no angel. But i dont see the mods here as some kind of nazi thugs or favourtism.
I think its a fairly well balanced forum.
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Post by David Faltskog on Jun 21, 2005 11:51:54 GMT
Phil done it, the banner it is, anyway we,re fighting for Ozzie to get full credit on the album, his royalty cheque for £2.50 and the Gold Plated Dead Door Mouse Award for contribution to Jeff's disco classic. D.F...HOOT!.
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Post by twiddlebug on Jun 21, 2005 11:57:51 GMT
Hey Everyone, I've been visting this site for a very long time as an observer. I have only posted once or twice and let me say that from the beginning .. I have been a huge believer in this film. But after seeing the stills from the "big budget movie" that Hine's promised, I felt ripped off, but I welcomed the situation and glady accepted this movie for what it is ... a really good candidate for an MSTK3000 movie... and I say that without malice or ill will. I am excited! Anyhow, I digress. I am the last person to be confrontational ... it's not in my nature. But I have to agree with some here that it seems when ever negative criticism is presented towards the film, threads are locked. I do understand the reasoning .. I would not want to see a fight amongst us .. but we should be able to express our ideas and opinions. I posted about a week ago and all I did was include quotes from Hines himself ... all of the promises that he made and did not deliever on. And the result was my thread being locked. I am sorry but I do not feel any leeway is being being given to people who wish to discuss their disappointment with Hines' production. It's quite sad. I believe it would suit people better if as long as we are being respectful to each other, the threads should remain. It should be about reasonable limits - not shutting down ideas because they may cause some to be abusive. I could talk about how dreadfully awful this movie looks (and funny) and if someone takes offence to that I do apoligize, but it is not a malicious statement. Just look at the movie and it's easy to see why such negative statements are made. It's when people with extreme views who invade the thread and cause a fight that is the real problem. I do hope this does change as I would like to read people's opinions on the film with something to back their views up and not have to find their thread locked because it may upset someone. Respectfully, Twiddlebug
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jun 21, 2005 12:04:47 GMT
Without wishing to rock the boat, I think Twiddlebug has a point which no-one has picked up on - what about new members who post a topic, only to have it locked (as in Twiddlebug's case) possibly because it's considered old ground? It may be ancient history to the veterans of this site, but by definition it isn't to a newbie.
And yes, I will go on record as saying that I think this is a good board and the mods do a good job most of the time. It also has to be said that, as far as I can see, most of the ill-feeling that has been generated has been in the Pendragon section, the rest of the board is excellent.
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Post by twiddlebug on Jun 21, 2005 12:22:25 GMT
Thanks McToddRidesAgain. Now if someone entered this thread and started being abusive, would that user be kicked for a while or would the whole thread be shut down? I really don't know and that's really the point I've been trying to convey. Again, I am a huge WOTW fan. I was first exposed to the album when I was six! And despite the many years of patiently waiting for a good film, I am not too disappointed because the Speilberg production actually looks amazing (and scary too) I am still looking forward to Hines' movie ..just for different reasons now. I would love to see a thread where we could celebrate it for the turkey that it is.... it is not being disrespectful to anyone ... it just may not be everyone's view. But that's why we call this a discussion board right?
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Post by Ashe Raven on Jun 21, 2005 12:31:38 GMT
One of the major problems has been, and I'm sorry to point this out, is that some of the new members who start "I hate the film" threads, don't actually sttle down first, introduce themselves or take abrreast of the situation here. They come in, make the usual jokes which eventually get out of hand. It seems insulting the film ore those who whatch it is the only reason they cam onboard, and thats rude, to everyone.
On that front, is it not faitr to say that any new member who liked this film has been accused of being a plant for Time Hines by those who hate the film?
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jun 21, 2005 12:42:11 GMT
On that front, is it not faitr to say that any new member who liked this film has been accused of being a plant for Time Hines by those who hate the film? Have they? To be fair, maybe some were, but I lost interest in the 'shill-vs-non-shill' wars ages ago.
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Post by twiddlebug on Jun 21, 2005 12:47:03 GMT
Good point, Ashe Raven.
New or old, some people like myself are just more comfortable exchanging ideas. I myself don't want to get too personal on this forum .. maybe that's how things get overheated later on ... I don't know. I have always enjoyed reading the threads from afar. New or old, it would be nice to hear eveyone's voice as long as we treat each other with respect. Considering I have only posted twice, hopefully that would convey I am not just saying things to upset anyone, but that I have an idea I would like to share and hopefully find others who share the same view so we can discuss them without someone from the othe side of the spectrum jumping in and looking for trouble instead of discussion... that's when the problems really start (IMHO).
Anyone else out there feel the same? (See .. I like how this is going so far ... even though I truly believe that Hines should not make serious films (He has great ambition mind you).
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Post by Rob on Jun 21, 2005 14:10:38 GMT
And there's me thinking that I could sneak away for an evening and nothing would happen....
I've just read this entire thread, firstly I wanna thank those whove shown some support.
The mods will continue to enforce the rules, rules are always going to cause problems as some people always feel that they should be able to bend them or that it shouldn't apply to them for one reason or another. We have 1 perm banned member, in 3 years thats not bad going, we hate taking action and we think about it carefully when we do.
I have absolutely no reason to stick up for PP's film or any other film BUT we know what kind of conversations always lead to arguements and which ones don't. we have learnt from the past and so threads do get locked and deleted from time to time as they contribute nothing.
As far as slagging this forum off on other boards is concerned.... I couldn't care less, we do what we do, some people like it some don't. To the ones who don't like the way this board is run then I suggest you could leave because to be honest things are not going to change, we've run it the same way for years now and it's still going strong.
We do the best we can. Lets remember...... it's only a story.
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Post by David Faltskog on Jun 21, 2005 14:25:20 GMT
You have my support, long may you wear it. D.F.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jun 21, 2005 15:20:32 GMT
Thanks McToddRidesAgain. Now if someone entered this thread and started being abusive, would that user be kicked for a while or would the whole thread be shut down? To answer that question truthfully, Twiddlebug, neither. Banning people is a last resort.. always has been. Even on a temp basis. That's why our ban list is so small. On the whole people take out chats with them in the spirit in which they are intended and that is usually the end of the matter. An offensive post would probably be deleted and if that person persists they would get a word from a Mod. However, I expected a little flack here and I was ready to listen to what people had to say, good or bad. I started this thread for a reason and it has amply done it's job. I am pleased that generally it has promoted reasonable discussion about this topic. Thank you all for your points of view.
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Post by twiddlebug on Jun 21, 2005 16:37:37 GMT
I appreciate all of your points of view everyone, but I think I would be explaining myself better if I stated that I felt that censorship of well expressed ideas through discussion OR throwing insults are both disrespectful.
Like I mentioned before ... I posted a thread that was locked for the reason that someone with a hot temper would ruin it for the rest of us. But if I cannot express myself in a free forum, then I have no choice but to sit back read from now on, and I'll discuss my views elsewhere. No dirsrespect to anyone here. This forum just isn't for me. Take care everyone.
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Post by beecus on Jun 21, 2005 16:55:13 GMT
I back the Mods also.
Personal insults and such behaviour serve no purpose for anyone.
Hot topics and lively debate is one thing, a slanging match is another altogether.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jun 21, 2005 17:02:16 GMT
Surely censorship, by definition, is the removal of material.. whatever it may be. I take your point that you didn't like your thread being closed.. but it is still on the board. Your method of self expression is intact and still there for all to see should they want to. That isn't censorship whichever way you look at it. This is why I get frustrated when people say we remove stuff all the time.. we don't. To be fair, if you are talking about the thread I think you are, you just quoted a load of Tim Hines quotes to make him an object of ridicule.. I mean no disrespect here, but how is that 'well expressed ideas through discussion'? It's been done before anyway. Ad Nauseum. It's not dissimilar to squirting a well know diminutive film star with a fake microphone really is it? Pointless and no longer funny. It certainly wasn't necessary to start a new thread for it as there are more than enough already. I can pretty much guarantee that there wouldn't have been any well expressed ideas or discussion on that thread.. perhaps a few 'LMAO's' and 'Tim Hines is a (insert your insult of choice here)'. Then it would have died. I understand if you don't wish to post here anymore but at least have a good reason for it.
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Jun 21, 2005 19:29:25 GMT
Well as one of the more underspoken members of this forum ... i thought I would put my twopennies or should that be tenners worth of opinion .... In all I think my cat could do a better job in her litter tray then the mods ... Nerfy couldn't mod a 65 ford Anglia never mind a forum, and as for H-C well a greenfly has more modding ability....... Seriously .... I am not kidding now ... I think you all do a very good job and I really enjoy coming on here, even though I don't physically know you all , I consider you all good friends ok I have my rant and raves, and I have been picked up one or two times , but it is a case of me "typing before thinking" I think the mods do actually make me sit back and think about what I have posted / about to post... they install a certain amount of sense ...H-C in particular tends to pick me up on things ...no disrespect intended H-C ... I read what he posts about my posts and it can make me change my attitude/or rephrase what I post/about to post. Nerfy/H-C/Rob/Bayne .... You install sanity into a sometimes insane forum(although sometime you ALL go a bit radio GAGA and let it slip that you are just as mental as most of us To finish .. I enjoy coming on here , and long may it live, it's a pleasure to talk with YOU ALL right ...thats said .... can anybody lend me a tenner ...I'm skint till payday
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