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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jun 20, 2005 19:02:17 GMT
Ok. We have noticed that this board is being used as the object of ridicule on other boards. We know who the perps are. We don't care about that. What we are bothered about is that people who come here regularly are chicken enough to slag us off behind our backs without giving us a chance to answer. People like that are sheep. Following the 'internet badasses' who like to make trouble from the safety of an internet connection. This armchair revolutionary stuff is pathetic. You don't like it here, go away. We won't stop you. We are just fans like yourselves who also have to keep the peace. And we will do it in the best way we know how. End of story. This disrespect really makes all our hard work seem worthwhile. Thanks. Pendragon have a lot to answer for.. But it's no excuse for the behaviour of a few.
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Post by Zero7756 on Jun 20, 2005 19:03:20 GMT
That's right.
If you want to dis someone, dis Timbo.
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Post by thed0ct0r on Jun 20, 2005 19:26:17 GMT
Ok. We have noticed that this board is being used as the object of ridicule on other boards. We know who the perps are. We don't care about that. What we are bothered about is that people who come here regularly are chicken enough to slag us off behind our backs without giving us a chance to answer. People like that are sheep. Following the 'internet badasses' who like to make trouble from the safety of an internet connection. This armchair revolutionary stuff is pathetic. You don't like it here, go away. We won't stop you. We are just fans like yourselves who also have to keep the peace. And we will do it in the best way we know how. End of story. This disrespect really makes all our hard work seem worthwhile. Thanks. Pendragon have a lot to answer for.. But it's no excuse for the behaviour of a few. It's well documented on this board that challenging a moderator's actions results in threats, suspension or being banned. No disrespect was intended nor was it my intention to make a 'mockery'. Don't be so dramatic. We're not free to discuss certain topics here and we're definitely not free to criticize the censorship. Frankly if you can't take a little criticism you shouldn't be moderating. And you talk about disrespect? I've just been called a perp, chicken, sheep, armchair revolutionist and my actions deemed 'pathethic'. And why? Because I stated that someone had locked a thread because it criticized Hines. It's not like I called anyone a Nazi. With the 'powers' you have come the responsibility to use it fairly. Deleting a thread just because you don't like or think it's not productive is wrong. Abusing your position to belittle someone who had a valid criticism of the way some things are handled here was also hypocritcal. If tackling the issue head-on is so important to your integrity you could have PM'ed us privately and set an example.
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Post by Zero7756 on Jun 20, 2005 19:38:22 GMT
Wow.
The force is with this one.
Kudos, Guest.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jun 20, 2005 20:47:01 GMT
It's funny Doctor, but I deliberately didn't mention any names. So if you want to take my remarks personally, that's your perogative. I just wanted everyone to know that we know about the underhand slagging off of this board that goes on elsewhere. You think we should just sit and let that happen without comment? I doubt you would. Your response is typical of the overreaction to our attempts to stop people rampaging across the board as they like. We just want this place to be a pleasant place for people from all walks of life to talk WotW. Nothing more. What we do is for the good of the board and ninety nine percent of the members support us. I know because I get PM's of support all the time. I think we are quite entitled to be angry if all our hard unpaid work is slagged off in this way. We don't threaten anyone. We enforce the rules which are laid out clearly when people sign up. I wasn't belittling the criticism. I was belittling the way it was gone about. Quite a difference. Perhaps if anyone wants to complain about my methods, they should email rob the webmaster at rob@waroftheworldsonline.com. If rob agrees with your complaints I will step down immediately. Without question. So. Now you can put your money where your mouth is can't you.
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Post by Gnorn on Jun 20, 2005 20:51:39 GMT
*takes off hat for Nerfy*
Cheers mate, for making those statements.
-Gnorn
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jun 20, 2005 21:21:59 GMT
So what exactly are you proposing, EvilNerfherder?
The fact remains that threads do get locked, posts do get deleted and people do get banned (okay, generally temporarily) for the kinds of comments and criticisms which would raise barely a ripple elsewhere.
So if someone has a point to make, then what - they PM a mod and get a ban? Or make the point publicly and get a ban?
And how does this address the sniping on other boards? Who is to say that non-members of wotwonline don't lurk and then make negative comments elsewhere? How do you 'police' them?
Frankly, by making an issue out of it, all it does is encourage those who have low opinions elsewhere to carry on chipping away.
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Post by Marcus on Jun 20, 2005 21:28:56 GMT
And how does this address the sniping on other boards? Who is to say that non-members of wotwonline don't lurk and then make negative comments elsewhere? How do you 'police' them? Frankly, by making an issue out of it, all it does is encourage those who have low opinions elsewhere to carry on chipping away. Now that I agree with McTodd. And yes, post do get locked, and members banned. One cant discuss WotW if all negative discussion is either bitched at or hidden away. Also, why arnt certain unnessecary post making commnets about other members and their opinions locked? Surely these arnt constructive. And yes, if we reply in PM, then what? And please, I moderate one board, which a lot bigger than this one, I work admin for an entire site, and run an entire RPG room... all of this while I post on here, keep up with news, sit for my Collague test and hold a job. Its not that hard. But I cant speak for here. Sorry if this offends.
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Post by David Faltskog on Jun 20, 2005 21:43:34 GMT
And how does this address the sniping on other boards? Who is to say that non-members of wotwonline don't lurk and then make negative comments elsewhere? How do you 'police' them? Frankly, by making an issue out of it, all it does is encourage those who have low opinions elsewhere to carry on chipping away. Now that I agree with McTodd. And yes, post do get locked, and members banned. One cant discuss WotW if all negative discussion is either bitched at or hidden away. Also, why arnt certain unnessecary post making commnets about other members and their opinions locked? Surely these arnt constructive. And yes, if we reply in PM, then what? And please, I moderate one board, which a lot bigger than this one, I work admin for an entire site, and run an entire RPG room... all of this while I post on here, keep up with news, sit for my Collague test and hold a job. Its not that hard. But I cant speak for here. Sorry if this offends. You should try Moderating a forum full of ABBA fans, makes this and other forums look like a vicar's tea party, full of Drama Queens (odd Horsell has,nt joined ) and Me (not a Drama Queen)...Well at weekends maybe...It'll kill yer. D.F.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jun 20, 2005 21:45:34 GMT
Our actions as Mods are usually criticized by those on the sharp end of talks with us. That's to be expected. and we only talk to people if we feel we have good reason under the board rules. We have hardly touched any of the threads in this board lately. Again the board rules are being followed. Most of the criticism I see elsewhere is hugely exaggerated, uninformed and unfair talk about the way we run this board. The only time really we have spoken to people lately is when they have attacked other members with their postings. Believe it or not we DO listen to people's point of view and we consider ourselves approachable. We've always stated that if anyone has a problem they can come to us. If someone thinks they have been treated unfairly we will listen and offer our explanation and look at the case again. Our ban list is tiny and we haven't banned anyone for months. Considering the amount of people who come here that is something we are proud of. We don't censor either. Look at the PP threads and all the moaning that is there will tell you this accusation is rubbish. Trust me, the vast majority of the complaints we get are about things other people say in their posts about other members. This whole thread has come about because we have watched this board being repeatedly slagged off unfairly and without us being given a chance to answer. Why should we go to those responsible and pull them up about it? There's no point. I'm really disappointed people feel the need to slag us off in such a way, hence this thread. No one in particular has been singled out and I don't intend to talk to anyone specifically about it. I've said my piece. Have I threatened to ban anyone? No. It maybe an unusual step to take but an expression of my disappointment will do nicely.
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Post by Gnorn on Jun 20, 2005 21:45:35 GMT
Yeah, I can just imagine the sort of bitching among the ABBA fans :-P
-Gnorn
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Post by David Faltskog on Jun 20, 2005 21:48:58 GMT
Exactly Gnorn, what dress to wear, what lipstick to use...And that's just me. Gotta get Horsell on there, the forum that is. D.F.
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Post by Gnorn on Jun 20, 2005 21:52:18 GMT
He can sign up as Dame_Horsell ;-)
-Gnorn
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Post by David Faltskog on Jun 20, 2005 21:54:19 GMT
LOL!!, everyone loves a jolly jack tar.
Anyway back to the bitching...On here...Not the other place...If you see what i mean...
D.F.
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Post by Ashe Raven on Jun 20, 2005 22:34:00 GMT
how long does it take to lock said threads. You are given your chance to say what is said, until it gets out of hand.
Your angry about the film. Fine, but you do hark on about it to the point fists fly whn someonw doesnt agree. thats when threads get locked, and rightly so
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 20, 2005 23:46:16 GMT
Well, it has been busy tonight.
What else can I add thats already been said. Members should feel welcomed at all times. You guys now full well whats posted about this site - you post it. Look at some of the sites sections - Off topic, Paramount, original novel, not much going around there in the ways of insults, arguments, general slagging off UNTIL you come to the Pendragon section. The posters who new from day one this film was not going to live upto there standards "lets rub salt in the wound one more time". Its things like this were we have to step in and say NO, ENOUGHS ENOUGH. You as members have guidelines, you agreed to these guidelines, the same as us mods have guidelines, not set by us but set by the webmaster. As Evilnerf pointed out, we get praises from members and visitors to this site but amoung those we get complaints from members and visitors about certain issues such as comments made on a public forum, swearing, offensive remarks just to name a few - what!, are we to ignore them, I dont think so as its clear some are offended to have made such a complaint or request to have said comments removed.
It know appears that those content in having there say to a degree of causing offence know what there doing, know there saying something thats been said countless times "but hey lets say it again", but because they have been pulled up about they take it to another site for which THAT sites pulls them up about it. . . Oh yes, I've read them.
If a posting appears to us as the starting ground for a flame war we have ALL the rights to remove it or lock it. If the author of said post does not like the action taken they are FREE to PM us where we have always responded.
You are asked in the sites guidelines NOT to post rude remarks, slandorous comments, personal insults, see below:
Members should avoid heated debates and resorting to insults be it on the open board or over Private Messages (PM) Everyone should be made to feel welcome whatever their nationality, topic or opinion. Slanderous comments will be deleted Again remember that this is a place of free discusion and opinion. If you don't have anything nice to say about other members, then say nothing at all. Offensive language is forbiden The posting of links to unofficial edits of trailers, sound bites, or any other item which may infringe on the copyright of any incarnation of the story is forbiden, if in doubt email info@waroftheworldsonline.com before posting. Any problems should be brought up with a moderator. A moderators decision to delete and edit posts is final and no discussion will be entered into. Once a post or thread is deleted there is no chance of recovering it.
Now, who's fault is that if you dont abide by the sites set rules and continue to post a message/thread that contains any of the above. As it says, if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say it at all.
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Post by Marcus on Jun 21, 2005 1:42:02 GMT
Again remember that this is a place of free discusion and opinion. If you don't have anything nice to say about other members, then say nothing at all.
I have no problem that with rule - but the line "...this is a place of free discusion and opinion..." seems to no longer apply.
I have no problems with the rules, or with most of the mods. I just think that they can sometimes go overboard.
I also see some people getting preferential treatment on what post are considered offensive.
In a place where people come to talk about their passion, discussions are going to get heated. Once it gets into name calling, then fine, stop it, but it seems like they are stopped all too often. And then post that actually do 'directly' attack a member, they are ignored, infact mods even post in it.
Im just saying things the way I see them. And also... "...Any problems should be brought up with a moderator..." followed by "...A moderators decision to delete and edit posts is final and no discussion will be entered into..." is back tracking over itself. Yes, Im fully aware that the first of those quotes applies to people being abusive etc, but if it also cant apply to members not liking the way some people enforce the rules, then really, whats the point?
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jun 21, 2005 3:27:32 GMT
Some of you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. There is no favouritism here. Attacking posts are the ones we step in on, the rest we leave pretty much alone. And as for accusing mods of attacking people I would hope you have proof of that. If you think you can, prove it. Prove it to Rob.. I've already invited you to. Tell him, he's the head honcho. Put up or shut up. Frankly after this, I'm past caring. I do this work for nothing and it's all seeming rather pointless, right now. You can moan about the site rules as much as you like for all I care.. twist them if it gets you off. Run off crying to another site if you get told off for breaking our rules. I don't give a crap. But DON'T tell me how to do my job when I'm doing exactly what I've been asked to do. Oh.. and if we are really the kind of nazis that we are painted as by some, do you think we would be even having this conversation?
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Post by HTT on Jun 21, 2005 9:14:20 GMT
I'd just like to offer my support to the mods on this.
I'm disgusted that members are dissin' this site on other forums. This site is THE best and most respected site for WOTW information, and there's no excuse to bash the site or mods because rules cannot be followed.
We're all WOTW fans, and I think we can accept posts with disagreements, heated debate, and argument. The issue is with plain Hate Campaigns. Esp. in the Pendragon thread, some people feel the need to raise a post purely to make nasty comments about Hines. THAT is why threads get locked, because quickly people keep posting "Hines is sh1t, he should be shot, his film's cr@p", etc. It's not necessary, constructive, or helpful - indeed, sometimes it can be libellous, and we do not want legal action taken against our members, mods or WebMaster.
Free speech is fine - as long as it is not offensive. Personally, I think all the Pendragon threads should be locked apart from the reviews and reviews on comments - the film is done and dusted, we need no further hate fuelled posts.
Basically, the mods have stated again and again - posts of hate will be deleted. Threads started purely to insult will be locked. Where a thread begins to get out of hand and starts to offend, the mods will step in. If you have an axe to grind, offer constructive critisism and note the good points - and do it in a way that is not rude or offensive. Engage in proper debate, and not insult those who take a different view.
Most of the members of this site have my respect. We may not always agree, but I find a lot of opposing views to be well constructed. And we do see apologies where thing get out of hand, and posts amended as appropriate.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm behind the mods 150% on this one. Keep up the good work guys - I appreciate you trying to keep the place fun and ameniable in your own time, purely for the love of WOTW we all have. A thankless job, so here's some thanks from me!!
Thanks guys.
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Post by Peter on Jun 21, 2005 9:28:46 GMT
I'd just like to offer my support to the mods on this. (snip) Sorry for the rant, but I'm behind the mods 150% on this one. Keep up the good work guys - I appreciate you trying to keep the place fun and ameniable in your own time, purely for the love of WOTW we all have. A thankless job, so here's some thanks from me!! Thanks guys. I'd have to agree with HTT 100% and what the moderators have written. I've got no peoblems with the forum being locked down for anything other than reviews, comments on reviews and interviews (if they ever come).
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