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Post by Marcus on Jun 3, 2005 21:35:29 GMT
If people here dont like the film, you dont need to order it, watch it, or even pay attention to it, form an opinion, and share it by all means, but atleast share in a way that isnt remarks about the quality with no real evidence to back it up.
Do the effects look poor? Yes, Ill be the first to admit that. But too raise that as an arguement, in manors Ive seen here makes your arguement now less valid than saying you dont like the name Timothy so its not up your alley.
Once people have the seen the film, lets all make a big thread and share opinions, maturly their, but lets also back the opinions up.
We were all harsh to this film, and I think it deserves merit for being made, wether it be made poorly or not. It has crap effects? Yes, it does. Do that make it a bad film? No.
The key of my post is this. Wait until you see the film, then comment on it quality, the quality of effects are in no way related too the films value.
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Post by epicdream on Jun 3, 2005 21:41:39 GMT
[glow=green,2,300]Hmmm.... I suppose it's great to finally get a response from Pendragon after all this waiting with baited breath. But I am very sorry to say that this film looks truly awful, if that trailer is anything to go by... There are some things I can let go such as the american kid with the bad English accent, the bluescreen backgrounds and the odd fighting machines. But the CGI stuff, when you see the handling machine, it looks like it has the "floating-in-mid-air" movement. The lighting on the CG models doesn't even look right. They just look like they have been "copied and pasted" right in without any afterthought. My suspension of disbelief has totally been destroyed by this. It is a shame really, Tim Hines could have done so much better... And as for fun, isn't this movie is supposed to be serious? If I want fun I'll have fun watching the C.T.Howell movie, at least the effects (if not very accurate to the book) are a lot more convincing. I am quite surprised to see how many people seem to be encouraged by this trailer! I myself love lots of bad movies but this is not one which is going to be in my collection, even if it has got War Of The Worlds printed on it... [/glow]
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Post by Gray on Jun 3, 2005 21:51:07 GMT
Here's an idea: why don't those who didn't like the trailer not vent your rage on this board? Then maybe, maybe, Hines will talk to us.
Consider that it was the attacks and insults that made him cut us off in the first place. A calculated insult isn't an "opinion". It's slander. Attempt to be cool. Take one for the team.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 3, 2005 22:03:18 GMT
I've just watched it again and I didn't really notice it the first time as I was a bit hyped up but it seems that it's just a montage of photographs set to the music - or is that just my computer.
I still don't fully know what to make of it but there might just be a decent film in there and again the soundtrack is growing on me.
On second listening the accents aren't too bad but I think one or two of them could be toned down a little. In particular the guy at the beginning who sounds a bit like professor Magnus Pike when he says the word 'enormous'.
For people on this board who don't live in the UK, he was a very eccentric professor who used to be on our tv years ago.
Of too watch it again!
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Post by Ashe Raven on Jun 3, 2005 22:04:56 GMT
It was good
Not great. It's not going to be his masterpiece but he got it done. I'll buy the film. I'll congratullate him on actually having a product
But for everything else....
Well less said the better
Well done anyway, Tim, but don't expact a pat on the pack.
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Post by tinckelly on Jun 3, 2005 22:09:36 GMT
Posted by Lensman on Today at 17:16 Well if in fact you're not knocking this just to make yourself look clever (or to get the PHB riled up), then I must conclude you've never actually seen an Ed Wood film.
Well Lensman, that would be you coming to the wrong conclusion, which you are quite free to do.
Posted by TOMAHAWK on Today at 17:18 Tinckelly ..would you still hold that "opinion" if SS 's film didn't exist .... hmm I wonder
I really don't understand the point you are making here. Could you possibly expand on the enigmatic "Hmmm I wonder"
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 3, 2005 22:09:37 GMT
[glow=green,2,300]Hmmm.... I suppose it's great to finally get a response from Pendragon after all this waiting with baited breath. But I am very sorry to say that this film looks truly awful, if that trailer is anything to go by... There are some things I can let go such as the american kid with the bad English accent, the bluescreen backgrounds and the odd fighting machines. But the CGI stuff, when you see the handling machine, it looks like it has the "floating-in-mid-air" movement. The lighting on the CG models doesn't even look right. They just look like they have been "copied and pasted" right in without any afterthought. My suspension of disbelief has totally been destroyed by this. It is a shame really, Tim Hines could have done so much better... And as for fun, isn't this movie is supposed to be serious? If I want fun I'll have fun watching the C.T.Howell movie, at least the effects (if not very accurate to the book) are a lot more convincing. I am quite surprised to see how many people seem to be encouraged by this trailer! I myself love lots of bad movies but this is not one which is going to be in my collection, even if it has got War Of The Worlds printed on it... [/glow] How can you say it looks truly awful epic? I'm still very unsure about this and I still wish a big studio was behind it but give it a bit of a chance for f***'s sake.
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Post by epicdream on Jun 3, 2005 22:11:20 GMT
[glow=green,2,300] Hey, I wasn't venting rage, I was merely offering my opinion about the trailer, like everyone else has... I think now was a time as good as any as this is the final trailer which we will see before release.
After all a trailer is created so that people can decide whether or not they want to see the film.
If my opinion of it was low, then so be it.
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Post by DanMacK on Jun 3, 2005 22:13:33 GMT
I've watched it three times, and I've still got to say I'm impressed. IMHO, the SS version, to be honest, will blow this one away, and the JW version will be "THE" period version to beat. That said, this movie will be a fun romp, and will definitely be worth seeing. Not only because it's WOTW, but Hell, I think all of us had given up hope.
I supported Hines wholeheartedly in the beginning, but over the last few months, I've stopped watching their site, paid more attention to the JW and SS forums, and only checked in here on occasion. To be honest, I was expecting another "Natural Disaster changed our plans" or something similar to the previous BS and I had joined the camp that believed this film would never see the light of day. Is it the big budget period piece we've been waiting for? No. Does it have ILM quality special effects? No. Is it WOTW? Yes. Will I enjoy it? Damned right! The definititon of a "good movie" is strictly up to the person watching it. For those who don't like it, that's your opinion, but based on the trailer, in my opinion, it's much better than I was expecting, and that wasn't much.
I'm going to reserve final judgment until I see the final credits roll, but overall, it looks to be a good, fun sci-fi with just the right amount of cheese.
Regards, Dan M.
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Post by tinckelly on Jun 3, 2005 22:15:26 GMT
There does seem to be a very stange phenomenon on this part of the board which is absent from the Spielberg and Asylum sections. Disagreement in those sections seems to be, by and large, tolerated in a mature way, but on the Pendragon bit anyone offering a negative opinion is told to shut up.
Why is that?
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 3, 2005 22:15:32 GMT
[glow=green,2,300] Hey, I wasn't venting rage, I was merely offering my opinion about the trailer, like everyone else has... I think now was a time as good as any as this is the final trailer which we will see before release. After all a trailer is created so that people can decide whether or not they want to see the film. If my opinion of it was low, then so be it. [/glow] Of course I respect your right to say it looks crap but surely there must be some positive things you can say about it. The soundtrack for instance ain't too bad there. A lot better than I was expecting anyway.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 3, 2005 22:17:40 GMT
There does seem to be a very stange phenomenon on this part of the board which is absent from the Spielberg and Asylum sections. Disagreement in those sections seems to be, by and large, tolerated in a mature way, but on the Pendragon bit anyone offering a negative opinion is told to shut up. Why is that? Most probably because this is the one most Wells fans want to succeed and this creates strong emotions.
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Post by tinckelly on Jun 3, 2005 22:19:23 GMT
FALLINGSTAR wrote: Most probably because this is the one most Wells fans want to succeed and this creates strong emotions.
You said it. Love is blind.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 3, 2005 22:24:19 GMT
FALLINGSTAR wrote: Most probably because this is the one most Wells fans want to succeed and this creates strong emotions. You said it. Love is blind. If love is blind how come I've done my fair share of criticising Pendragon before. The fact is I'm not going to say this looks good out of blind loyalty but on the other hand - I'm not going to slag it off just for the sake of it - like some. I'm trying to give a balanced view and I have done from the start and will continue to do so!
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Post by epicdream on Jun 3, 2005 22:27:07 GMT
[glow=green,2,300] Fallingstar,
C'mon man, Pendragon have had the chance to WOW us from the start, I have generally held off my opinion of this film until now because I wanted to see as much of it as I can before the release.
We all wanted to see an authentic version and I was encouraged with the "martian eyes" poster when many others were not. So I reserved judgement.
The teaser trailers and the early trailer. Effects might not be finished? who knows we'll wait for the film...
The final trailer comes out, this is the one which is going to get "bums-on-seats" so to speak. So we all know the story, there's going to be no shocking discoveries there. So what do we have to go on? Acting, Cinematography, Costumes, Music, Effects and more. You add up all these and decide whether you will enjoy the film...
I was disappointed with this last trailer for reasons already stated. So when people say "well at least watch the film before you make a decision". Who knows? It maybe a masterpiece. But Pendragon IS trying to sell us the film based on the trailer (like every other film company in the world), that's the idea. And if these are the best selling points of the film, then iam afraid (in my opinion) the story alone will not make it a great film.
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Post by tinckelly on Jun 3, 2005 22:28:45 GMT
Sorry, I should have been clearer.
I meant LOVE IS BLIND to represent the desperate desire that some folk here have for the dream of seeing a period WOTW, regardless of the quality, or artistic standard. Hines is the only game in town to fulfill that dream, and he is playing on that.
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Post by quaderni on Jun 3, 2005 22:32:19 GMT
FALLINGSTAR wrote: Most probably because this is the one most Wells fans want to succeed and this creates strong emotions. You said it. Love is blind. Also, the discussion here got incredibly nasty a few months ago, and it was only cleared up when, alas, a few members departed. I suspect the whole thing left everyone's nerves rather frayed. The Pendragon board is a minefield of emotion - and one goes across it, to paraphrase Joan Didion, like a person crossing a border with borrowed credentials - very delicately and with baited breath!
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Post by Poyks on Jun 3, 2005 22:34:47 GMT
Blimey, lot's of deja vu! Why all the bickering when we are all on the same side generally? The negative comments are good when they are constructive and the buck should stop there.
I'm glad to see the trailer just because it's there at last, ok it's clearly no multi-million epic, but taken in its context it's really rather good in my opinion.
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Post by epicdream on Jun 3, 2005 22:35:14 GMT
[glow=green,2,300] Fallingstar,
Ok maybe I should indicate the positives I gained from the trailer as it is only fair to the film. The costumes look pretty cool, I don't know if they are authentic for the time period but I would believe it. The scenery also fits in quite nicely with buildings and locales, so top marks there. The guy who plays Oglivy looks quite convincing...
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Post by tinckelly on Jun 3, 2005 22:36:15 GMT
Thanks Quaderni.
My papers clearly don't seem to be in order. I'd better watch out. :-)
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