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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 3, 2005 22:39:37 GMT
[glow=green,2,300] Fallingstar, C'mon man, Pendragon have had the chance to WOW us from the start, I have generally held off my opinion of this film until now because I wanted to see as much of it as I can before the release. We all wanted to see an authentic version and I was encouraged with the "martian eyes" poster when many others were not. So I reserved judgement. The teaser trailers and the early trailer. Effects might not be finished? who knows we'll wait for the film... The final trailer comes out, this is the one which is going to get "bums-on-seats" so to speak. So we all know the story, there's going to be no shocking discoveries there. So what do we have to go on? Acting, Cinematography, Costumes, Music, Effects and more. You add up all these and decide whether you will enjoy the film... I was disappointed with this last trailer for reasons already stated. So when people say "well at least watch the film before you make a decision". Who knows? It maybe a masterpiece. But Pendragon IS trying to sell us the film based on the trailer (like every other film company in the world), that's the idea. And if these are the best selling points of the film, then iam afraid (in my opinion) the story alone will not make it a great film. [/glow] I totally agree that Pendragon haven't been very good at promoting the film so far and why do the trailers just seem to be on that Stuffo site - which quite a few [including me] seem to have problems with such as downloading the trailers in the first place. I also agree that Pendragon needs to wow people and nothing they've released so far has done that. Having said that - I can find quite a few positive aspects to this latest trailer and I'm just pointing these bits out.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 3, 2005 22:44:01 GMT
[glow=green,2,300] Fallingstar, Ok maybe I should indicate the positives I gained from the trailer as it is only fair to the film. The costumes look pretty cool, I don't know if they are authentic for the time period but I would believe it. The scenery also fits in quite nicely with buildings and locales, so top marks there. The guy who plays Oglivy looks quite convincing... [/glow] I'd go pretty much along with that but I hope the scenery looks like England and not North America. If it doesn't look like England - then that certainly will affect the authenticity and look of the film.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 3, 2005 22:44:07 GMT
Blimey, lot's of deja vu! Why all the bickering when we are all on the same side That is very correct, we just wish that others would see it that way. Calm things down a bit guys.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 3, 2005 22:48:08 GMT
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant LOVE IS BLIND to represent the desperate desire that some folk here have for the dream of seeing a period WOTW, regardless of the quality, or artistic standard. Hines is the only game in town to fulfill that dream, and he is playing on that. That no doubt is the case with some fans but I'm pretty sure most Wells fanatics won't just accept any old crap just because it's a period version of the book. I certainly won't anyway and I hope that Pendragon are aware that most fans want only the best for this and they'll tear anything that's substandard to bits.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 3, 2005 22:51:09 GMT
Blimey, lot's of deja vu! Why all the bickering when we are all on the same side That is very correct, we just wish that others would see it that way. Calm things down a bit guys. I thought we were all being calm Horsell. There's disagreements yes but no one's calling anyone names or resorting to personal attacks etc.
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Post by waza on Jun 3, 2005 22:51:11 GMT
Ahh Magnus Pike, magical stuff, haven't thought of him in a few years. 'Don't ask me', classic brit tv.
Glad we all give enough of a damn to have an opinion on Hines' effort fullstop. Guess those of you who are stressing your points where Hines has gone wrong (and there have been some good points raised) can ultimately vote with your wallets while the rest of us pig out on cheese and see if we choke on it :-)
Personally, on the strength of the trailer, I give this the big thumbs up that the film is basically finished and appears to ooze cheese, and I don't mind a bit of cheese! (as well as serious wholegrain efforts). Saying Hines' efforts is cheese isn't intended as an insult either, just an opinion on what I've seen compared with what movie audiences are now used to in terms of quality and fxs plus our own expectations.
Anyhow, greeting from NZ, sorry to any Lions followers present, we'll try to return your boys home in one piece.. or two.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 3, 2005 22:59:27 GMT
That is very correct, we just wish that others would see it that way. Calm things down a bit guys. I thought we were all being calm Horsell. There's disagreements yes but no one's calling anyone names or resorting to personal attacks etc. A mods making sure we dont have any problems arise as we have done on a regular basis on other parts of this section.
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Post by Gnorn on Jun 3, 2005 23:04:06 GMT
I'm quite impressed with this trailer, not impressed in regards to the Hollywood(tm) standard we are used to, but impressed in regards to the previous Pendragon trailers. I'm not sure if I'll be able to see the complete movie (I'm Eurotrash) but if I can, I think I'll have to expect 'Discovery Channel documentary' effects. Often not very good, but good enough to illustrate the story in a believable way.
-Gnorn
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Post by ArmoredTrackLayer on Jun 3, 2005 23:04:12 GMT
While the acting wasnt ace quality, it certainly wasnt horrible, actually some of it was quite passable. SFX look very claymation in some parts, it ranks up there with a SCFI orginal movie or a TV miniseries. Not great but we couldnt do much better. (even tho i am SURE someone will yell at me and tell me they could )
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 3, 2005 23:04:21 GMT
Ahh Magnus Pike, magical stuff, haven't thought of him in a few years. 'Don't ask me', classic brit tv. Glad we all give enough of a damn to have an opinion on Hines' effort fullstop. Guess those of you who are stressing your points where Hines has gone wrong (and there have been some good points raised) can ultimately vote with your wallets while the rest of us pig out on cheese and see if we choke on it :-) Personally, on the strength of the trailer, I give this the big thumbs up that the film is basically finished and appears to ooze cheese, and I don't mind a bit of cheese! (as well as serious wholegrain efforts). Saying Hines' efforts is cheese isn't intended as an insult either, just an opinion on what I've seen compared with what movie audiences are now used to in terms of quality and fxs plus our own expectations. Anyhow, greeting from NZ, sorry to any Lions followers present, we'll try to return your boys home in one piece.. or two. Greetings also waza. Nice to see old Pikey invade N.Zealand as well. EEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOORRRRRRMMMMMOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
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Post by waza on Jun 3, 2005 23:08:30 GMT
thanks Fallingstar, nice to be here. Enjoy the English references that I can also tune into :-)
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Post by RossH on Jun 3, 2005 23:33:32 GMT
You're either with Timothy Hines' WOTW or you're with the terrorists ;-)
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Post by quaderni on Jun 4, 2005 0:00:12 GMT
I've been going over and over the trailer, trying to get a sense of it. As I mentioned earlier, the modelling is obviously rough, though some of action sequences - particularly with the artillery - look quite well done. The FM models do cause me to grimace a bit.
However, the one quite good shot is when the FM gets the shell in the hood or cowl. Anyone else have the same impression?
Don't know why I'm saying this, really. Just avoiding work.
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Post by beecus on Jun 4, 2005 0:00:53 GMT
Watched it, loved it ;D
More excited about it now than I was when I first heard about it.
The special effects aren't the best but hey, we all knew they wouldn't be but I think that just adds to the charm, it has a definite style and feel to it and I think the special effects work well within that style.
I ordered my copy some time ago, now I just can't wait to get it.
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Jun 4, 2005 0:24:15 GMT
Beecus .. I agree , that is quite funky shot of a FM getting it in the hood. We all knew the FX were not going to be in the Hollywood league ..lets just be thankful for what we have. just think ...DVD on , Sat in your fave chair, few tinnys , sweets, crisps .....good 3hrs that is ...there ARE worse ways to spend 3hrs int there?? ...All the A.H.B can tell us just what they are
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Jun 4, 2005 0:27:33 GMT
A H B ..Anti Hines Brigade
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Post by thed0ct0r on Jun 4, 2005 0:46:46 GMT
It's a shame some shots look really good but others look really bad. But I think I will enjoy this very much. I love old Doctor Who and we all know how bad those special effects are!
12 million and Star Trek/Matrix effects this isn't but it will be a very enjoyable sci-fi romp - true to the book and a lot of thrills and fun. Too bad it doesn't look like film though. Oh well. I'm sure some of us can fix that ourselves!
Bad PR and promotion but for a "totally" independent flick it's a good effort. I'm looking forward to this a lot!
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 4, 2005 1:27:57 GMT
Well Hines promised state of the art special effects and if they aren't up to the latest standards people will attack this even if the rest of it is good. I want to see convincing, menacing tripods walking around not an occasional shot of a puppet standing still and waving a tentacle or two.
Bad fx are unacceptable nowadays and most fans will feel cheated if they aren't what Hines promised.
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Post by ArmoredTrackLayer on Jun 4, 2005 1:32:55 GMT
I think the thread has calmed down finally (Looks around from behind a sandbag bunker) But just in case (Puts a tin hat on his head and stands up)
So, without being crass and snarky, what DIDNT you like about the trailer? Me? Personally the clanking noises the Machines made where odd, but it may be because of the trailers quality.
Fave scene? well....this ones odd, but...Miss Elphistone firing the revolver. Cute babe firing a gun, plus her reaction looks rather convincing. She isnt aiming, just running and firing blindly, and the kick is playing hell with her.
(looks around again, runs behind the bunker and puts up a lewis gun) Ok bring on the responses, but be warned, I will fire on all synics that enter my firing zone.
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Post by JediMartian on Jun 4, 2005 2:49:57 GMT
Sorry but I'm not impressed with that at all. I have to say I think the acting seems like it could be quite good, but the effects? Absolute cr&p from the look of them. I mean the tripods look like they were drawn in. I think the only beleivable part of them is the legs right before you see the shot of one of them smashing into the cannon, and the shot before that looks absolutely terrible. Sorry, but I'm more looking forward to Steve Speilberg's now.... I will on the other hand say that the martian shot was OK, but those tripods really let me down
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