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Post by theheatray on Mar 28, 2005 20:37:09 GMT
I'll go even farther than that: It is Hines' job to hype the film. If he did not help publicize it, he would be falling down on the job. That's how films are promoted, and it is expected. Those lambasting Hines for the hype clearly don't realize this. In fact, if he did not hype the film then it would be appropriate to castigate him. It is of course regrettable that Pendragon hasn't been able to follow thru on some of its promises. But, as you say Baynes, it's just a small independent company. I for one always took Hines' statements with a few grains of salt. But you have a good point; those who didn't understand the reality of the situation may indeed feel betrayed by the lack of follow-thru on the hype, which they may have mistaken for "promises". Sometimes learning is a painful process. However, I don't agree that we should support Pendragon's film even if it's a bad one. Films should stand or fall on their own merits, or lack thereof. If Pendragon's WotW is not a good one, then we shouldn't support it in hopes of a "sequel". Bad films should be allowed to die the death they deserve, which will help enable someone else to do a good version someday. Hi there, Mr Hines didnt promote the film though did he? All he has done is make an awful lot of empty promises building up the hopes of many who have been waiting for an authentic adaption for many many years, not one of his promises has come to pass, not one. You say its his job, well he needs to find another job because hes not very good at this one is he. If he wanted to promote the film he could have cashed in on so much for free, the internet is now the leading source of movie information that its just plain stupidity not to use it, Mr Hines did not. "those who didn't understand the reality of the situation may indeed feel betrayed by the lack of follow-thru on the hype, which they may have mistaken for "promises". Sometimes learning is a painful process." I find that a little insulting, I think we all understand the reality of the situation, none of us are stupid Mr Lensman and I feel betrayed because promises were made, hopes were built, my hopes. The only painful aspect of the 'process' was watching the trailer.
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Post by Lensman on Mar 28, 2005 21:51:23 GMT
Mr Hines didnt promote the film though did he? Then what are we all talking about? Somehow, we managed to find out about the film. I agree that he hasn't taken advantage of online promotion as much as I think he should have, but that flat statement that "he didn't promote the film" is yet another example of the Anti-Hines Brigade nonsense, which I believe is the sort of thing Banes said we don't need on this board. I find that a little insulting, I think we all understand the reality of the situation,<snip> I feel betrayed because promises were made, If we all understand the reality of the situation, then why are you still referring to hype as "promises"?
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Post by theheatray on Mar 28, 2005 22:09:51 GMT
Mr Lensman
You are not a nice person, your condescending posts are utterly dispicable, how dare you try to put me into a box of your own design, why do you thrive on driving a wedge into this forum with things like "the anti hines brigade", pathetic Mr Lensman, pathetic.
Mr Hines has not promoted this film to any degree that qualifies it as a real campain, a few snippets early on with a half baked pre vis trailer is not a campain. We have heard nothing for weeks, Mr Hines has not promoted this film as he should of, plain and simple. His efforts so far have been nothing but damaging to the whole film, that is not promotion.
Promises. Mr Hines made certain claims, argue symantix if you want, most took them to be promises, world wide theatrical release on March 30th, SFX equivelent to the Matrix, Two trailers in Febuary/early March, these were real statments made many times by Mr Hines, these along with blatant lies (budget, acting talent, dubious reasons for project changes, grand claims and name dropping etc etc...) built up my hopes, the were took as promises but however you read them it was all bull sh*t and my hopes were dashed.
So you can call us all stupid Mr lensman but let me tell you you havent made any friends today.
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Post by Rob on Mar 28, 2005 22:23:37 GMT
Right everyone, we've all made our points about this, lets take 5 and calm down. There is no need for a flame war.
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Post by Lensman on Mar 28, 2005 22:48:42 GMT
The role of a moderator is not to keep things 'on topic', that would mean to deviate from the topic in anyway was an offence and so free conversation was not allowed on this forum, but it is isnt it? The role of a moderator is not to police the board, it is to moderate, if the conversation gets out of hand and requires a dash of moderation then fair enough, and if it continues then follow harsher penalties, also fair enough. Conversations evolve, they follow many paths, what starts as one topic may end up as another completely different topic altogether, its not the moderators job to curb that. It is the moderators' (unpaid) "job" to moderate the board in the manner they see fit. They're the ones who do the work, so they get to set the rules. If you want to participate in a forum where "anything goes", flamewars rage unabated, and anyone is allowed to post anything, no matter how off-topic... There are plenty of forums like that out there. "rassf" is full of them. And I've participated in a forum where anything was allowed, and over 90% of the posts were off-topic. And the flamewars never die out, they just rage on and on because some people are just psychologically incapable of admitting they are wrong. I'm very glad this forum isn't like that. From what various moderators have said, we've already had people leave in disgust over the large number of negative remarks here. I hope Bayne's post which began this thread indicates tighter restrictions on that sort of thing. No doubt some who follow these boards closely will find what I said just above to be contrary to the spirit of some of my own recent posts, which have contained negative personal remarks. Some may understand why I did that. To those who don't, I will merely say: "I won't belong to any club which would have me as a member!" ;D
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 28, 2005 23:42:50 GMT
Shall we all stop it and be friends. Have a smile ? A joke once in a while...
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Post by Rob on Mar 28, 2005 23:50:34 GMT
Definatly, come on everyone lets start a fire, toast some marshmellow and relax. If we all try we can make this much more fun. Maybe we can all get on once more, and remember that no matter what we all love war of the worlds. It should bring us together, not tear us apart.
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Post by MarkG on Mar 28, 2005 23:51:56 GMT
No, it's reality. As far as I can see, 99% of potential movie-goers don't even know that the movie exists, and most of the rest have seen the trailer and/or Hines' bizarre press releases and written it off already.
Regardless of how bad or good the movie may turn out to be, it's hard for me to see how anyone could say that Pendragon have done a good job of promoting it... quite the opposite, in fact.
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Post by Marztok on Mar 29, 2005 0:06:30 GMT
How wretched we must all feel !!! Yes, it's true ! I for one was so distraught by the thought that maybe Mr. Hines made promises he was not able to keep that I stopped eating last Friday ! Honest !!! I use to be a rather happy fellow, but now I am the saddest person in the world ! And that is only because Mr. Hines said he would bring his film to the big screens all over the world on March 30th and now it's clear that he won't. I am crying as I write this ! It's true. See:
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 29, 2005 0:12:30 GMT
Yep Marztok mate - we've all been through that stage.
You have our deepest and most sincere sympathies.
It's like the classic phases of pyschiactric breakdown being on here. Some are still in denial, some are in post-traumatic stress recovery, some are still raging...we've seen em all come and go..but one thing they ALL at one time or another got fished in by the Hines Dream Factory - so if we give him one thing we got to give him that much..or course we were captive audience already being WOTW fans and addicts - that's why this chaos is 'localised'. I look behind me into the house and it's all nice - quiet, no one is affected by it - look into the street its the same - at work, on the news - lovely - but here - man, it's some kind of mental torture system.
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Post by Lensman on Mar 29, 2005 0:16:04 GMT
Lensman wrote: "that flat statement that 'he didn't promote the film' is yet another example of the Anti-Hines Brigade nonsense" No, it's reality. Then how did I find out about the film? It wasn't from this board. After I found out about the film, I came looking for a forum talking about it and found this one. I don't think I'm the only one. No, Hines hasn't taken full advantage of the Internet to promote the film, and it seems apparent that he hasn't hired a PR agency as should have been done. But clearly some promotion has succeeded or this board wouldn't exist. That's self-evident, so why do you keep insisting otherwise? I just can't understand why those repeatedly making negative comments about Hines and this film insist on making statements which are obviously entirely wrong. Really, wouldn't all of you in the Anti-Hines Brigade do a better job of supporting your own position if you stopped that sort of thing?
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Post by Marztok on Mar 29, 2005 0:23:36 GMT
So true !!! Now I am happy and will stop crying !
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Post by MarkG on Mar 29, 2005 0:29:26 GMT
LOL. This movie was supposed to be _RELEASED THIS WEEK_. You go out on the streets, stop people at random and ask them whether they've heard of the new War of the Worlds movie, and the only one that 99% of them will have heard of is Spielberg's.
How is it 'entirely wrong' to point out that that is absolutely lousy promotion for a movie that was supposed to have been released right about now? It doesn't matter that a few War of the Worlds fans have heard of the movie, what matters is whether the people who'll pay to see it have heard of the movie... and almost none of them have.
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 29, 2005 0:34:51 GMT
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Post by Lensman on Mar 29, 2005 0:35:34 GMT
How is it 'entirely wrong' to point out that that is absolutely lousy promotion for a movie that was supposed to have been released by now? You're correct, it has absolutely lousy promotion. But that's not what you said.
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Post by Lensman on Mar 29, 2005 0:37:49 GMT
"Coming soon to a Blockbuster in Seattle!" LOL! Thanx Flynn! That's a much more realistic possibility than some which have been suggested here...
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Post by MarkG on Mar 29, 2005 0:39:38 GMT
Here's what I said:
Where did I say there'd been _no_ promotion at all? Obviously there must have been for 1% of the population to have heard of it... but that's worthless if you want to recover a $12/42/whatever the current claim is million budget.
Honestly, I can see why you really rub some posters here the wrong way if you go around putting words into their mouths.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 29, 2005 0:46:40 GMT
Come on guys, your not thinking of others here who read the boards. Really, ask yourself this, do I REALLY need to get THIS worked up over a FILM that is NOT even been released let aloan FINISHED. Were babling along here like a bunch of old ladies gossiping over a hedge in the garden 'Oh I say, did you see her at number 67 yesterday, the shame of it, disgraceful' - Take a break away from the boards for a while, come back another time feeling fresh and relaxed - watch a Pokemon movie and ask yourself 'can someone really make a film better than THIS, and do I really need to take 2 bottles into the shower?'.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 29, 2005 0:49:14 GMT
Sorry if I have given thoughts to people on here, making them think they wear Nora Batty stockings, curlys in hair, ciggy hanging out of gob and wearing a dress - unless we have any cross dressers on here?, don't answer that.
Damn, I must do something with my damn perm ;D
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Post by VES on Mar 29, 2005 0:56:11 GMT
Sorry if I have given thoughts to people on here, making them think they wear Nora Batty stockings, curlys in hair, ciggy hanging out of gob and wearing a dress - unless we have any cross dressers on here?, don't answer that. Damn, I must do something with my damn perm ;D No bother. It's just been getting rather tense here as of late; kind of glad I was out of town over the weekend.
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