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Post by maniacs on Mar 13, 2005 22:45:02 GMT
What we gonna do? On the one hand we have Hines who seems to have bolstered this film into something big when really we should expect a low budget production. Then we have SS who seems to be keen on producing some artistic liscence to his film.
SS will deliver. He has the money and the muscle. Even die hard fans will forgive him for it. Dammit! If only hed done the period version...
Hines is attempting the period version. If he hadn't misled us we would be far more forgiving. Even now I want to fight his corner. But the truth is we can only wait and see. He won't help me to help him. Why? Right now I think hes catching up with proposed deadlines. What else can he do?
When he releases new images it's superbly analysed by the experts and then destroyed, Its staged they cry! Thats not right! Its awful! LETS COMPLAIN , AGAIN! It might be his own making but I dont blame him for keeping a low profile and getting on with his project. My posts have dropped recently. Why? Cause I'm bored with the same old statements and arguments. Im waiting now and will see. The only film I feel most secure with is the Waynes version. But dont think Hines has lost my support cause he hasn't.
Face it!!! He's the only man in history(and Waynes...conditionally) who wants to do the period version of the book and he has my support! No one before or after will touch it. FACE IT and stop blaming Hines.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Mar 13, 2005 23:19:25 GMT
I give TH 10/10 for giving it a go but a classic like WOTW deserves only the cream of directing, acting and SFX.
The state of the trailers only reinforced this train of thought.
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Post by dudalb on Mar 13, 2005 23:53:14 GMT
"No one before or after will touch it. FACE IT and stop blaming Hines." Sorry, but mere attempting is not enough to earn my praise. You have to suceed. If the released clips are any indication, Hines will not suceed in making a GOOD, repeat, GOOD adaptation of Wells WOTW in the proper period. And the fiasco of this project has gummed up the works of any, more talented film maker, who might want to do a period WOTW. Sorry, but even if it follows the book word for word, if the acting and directing is bad, and the effects are cheap, it will be a bad movie and do an injustice to the Wells book.
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Post by Lensman on Mar 14, 2005 3:04:54 GMT
the fiasco of this project has gummed up the works of any, more talented film maker, who might want to do a period WOTW. Sure, just like "Batman" (1966) stopped Tim Burton from doing the 1989 version. And like "The Lord of the Rings" (1978) and "The Return of the King" (1980) stopped Peter Jackson from doing the recent "Lord of the Rings" trilogy. And the remake of "King Kong" (1976) was so terrible that no one will attempt that again. And the 1994 version of "The Fantastic Four" was so horrible that no one would consider attempting a better version. Oh, wait...
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Post by thed0ct0r on Mar 14, 2005 3:07:40 GMT
Hey I'm still looking forward to seeing this thing. Except now instead of seeing the clasic adaptation I've been waiting for all my life I'm gonna smoke a big fattie with some friends and laugh our a@#&s off! ;D Either way I'll be entertained.
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Post by Gerkinman on Mar 14, 2005 3:16:10 GMT
i know ill be touching wotw in the original period when i get some moneys. of course ill be using animation, as its the only form with no limits
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Post by Bayne on Mar 14, 2005 3:46:20 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]I saw a little kid in Woolworths the other day...
"I wanna wemon wowwipop." "But they don't have any lemon. You can have a rasberry instead." "But I wanna wemon wowwipop!"
etc.
No matter how hard he cried, no matter how much he stamped his foot, a lemon lollipop was not going to magically appear in the store. There was no way to get what he wanted. He could have either declined to have a lollipop at all or made do with rasberry. Maybe next time his mum took him to the store they might have got some stock in of lemon. All his complaining did was annoy other shoppers.
For those people who keep complaining about Tim Hines. The complaining won't magically make Hines film a big-budget blockbuster. It aint gonna happen and no amount of whinging will get you what you want. You can either
A) forget Pendragons film will ever exist and move on to other parts of the boards
B) wait for someone else to make another wotw movie (after SS and JW it might take a decade or more of course)
C) get into the industry and make your own wotw movie just the way you think it should be done
D) keep acting like a cry-baby
As for me, I'm looking forward to any/all new WotW versions and am eagerly looking forward to Pendragons film as exactly what it is: An independant low-budget film that will be closer to the book than any version thus far made. Anyone who thought it was going to be anything else are guilty of self-delusion or a momentary lapse of critical thinking.
Of course we all want a perfect film version.. but unless we make it ourselves will we ever be happy with another persons version? [/glow]
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 14, 2005 8:54:58 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]I saw a little kid in Woolworths the other day... "I wanna wemon wowwipop." "But they don't have any lemon. You can have a rasberry instead." "But I wanna wemon wowwipop!" etc. [/glow] Im very concerned over this. Now, did Woolworths order more stock in of 'wemon wowipops' because the general public must come first and if they haven't, I want to know why. Where's the number for trading standards ;D ;D
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Post by HTT on Mar 14, 2005 10:18:28 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Well said Bayne!!
I still support Pendragon on this. To attempt to make the movie is a feat in itself. To take on Paramount is awesome. Then, to compete against Steven Spielberg no less, well... it's a lost cause.
But the point is, he tried. He cares about this movie, but he's a minnow in a predatory ocean.
I want to see the book on screen, however, I know the limits of my talent. Therefore, I applaud TH for attempting it, even if it a bad movie, for I could do no better. I am looking forward to it still - even a bad movie is better than no movie at all.
Oh, and it's a good job that Woolies were out of wemon wowwipops, coz once hooked, the kiddiwinkies move on to sherbert dib dabs. From there, lollies and sherbert are not enough, they move on to the Sherbert Fountain... and it's not long before licorice and sherbert become Licorice Rizzlas and crack cocaine!! Good on Woolies for taking a stance on the War On Drugs. [/glow];D
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Post by themotile on Mar 14, 2005 10:48:19 GMT
Sure, just like "Batman" (1966) stopped Tim Burton from doing the 1989 version. And like "The Lord of the Rings" (1978) and "The Return of the King" (1980) stopped Peter Jackson from doing the recent "Lord of the Rings" trilogy. And the remake of "King Kong" (1976) was so terrible that no one will attempt that again. And the 1994 version of "The Fantastic Four" was so horrible that no one would consider attempting a better version. Oh, wait... Erm...the 1966 batman recieved cult status, Burton didnt do a camp sixtys comedy he made a gothic authentic adaptation of the graphic novels... The 1978 LOTR animation is an all time classic, Jackson borrowed a lot from it. You can forget the return of the king as it was so dire hardly anybody remembers it. (Thats the way I think Hines is going with his 'war') King kong and the fantastic four will work because they are going back to the source material, many arnt aware of the 90's FF anyway but then it doesnt matter beacuse theres money in superheroes thanks to spiderman. The ultra dire king kong was set modern day, an authentic version hasnt been made since the 30's or whenever it was made so that was just waiting to be made. I can see the point your trying to make but those examples dont hold up under scrutiny. The fact is that a victorian WOTW only appeals to the fans of the book, now that Hines has proved what kind of reception a film maker can expect from distributers its unlikely this film will be tried again for a good few years but that doesnt mean it wont.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Mar 14, 2005 10:56:36 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]I saw a little kid in Woolworths the other day... "I wanna wemon wowwipop." "But they don't have any lemon. You can have a rasberry instead." "But I wanna wemon wowwipop!" etc. No matter how hard he cried, no matter how much he stamped his foot, a lemon lollipop was not going to magically appear in the store. There was no way to get what he wanted. He could have either declined to have a lollipop at all or made do with rasberry. Unfortunatly the child in this case knows the 'rasperry' tastes more like turkey. A raspberry, pppppftttt, is still a raspberry....
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Post by McTodd on Mar 14, 2005 11:25:58 GMT
Bayne, we critics are under no illusions about our utter irrelevance to Hines.
Yet again our arguments are completely distorted.
We are not whingeing for the sake of it, we are criticising what on the evidence so far looks like a grade-z stinker. We are also criticising the constant BS and downright distortion of the truth that appears to emanate from Pendragon, which could have been forestalled if they had been honest from the start.
As for HailTheTripod’s comments – if Hines is such a minnow fighting such a lost cause, then he should never have got involved with the big boys. Unless his intention all along was to make a grade-z straight-to-DVD schlock-fest designed purely to ride Spielberg’s coat-tails and give Hines his first real release (because don’t forget, he hasn’t actually released a film before, so what better way to get a release on his CV than by surfing the WotW wave in Stevie Boy’s wake?).
And in any case, I question just how much he really cares about this movie – or, rather, I question how much he cares about WotW, as I’m sure he cares about getting this movie, a movie, any movie, released. Don’t forget, when Timbo started out, he was going to make an updated WotW – in other words, do exactly what everyone who wants a period WotW slags Stevie Boy off for doing (but for a twentieth of Spielberg’s budget, natch).
Despite all that, if he does get it released on DVD, I’ll be buying it, because I still want to see what Hines makes of it.
But I refuse to romanticise him.
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Post by uuulllaaa on Mar 14, 2005 11:39:55 GMT
Ive allways admired pendragons efforts and allways will regardless of what i turns out like,but what anoys me is the lies or silence.Come on its the 14th march and according to the site the movie opens theatricly in 2 weeks time.Please pendragon update the site and tell us whats realy gona happen to the movie,and yes even it the dvd dont get a u.k. release i will for sure get an import whatever it takes.
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Post by HTT on Mar 14, 2005 12:24:43 GMT
[glow=Purple,2,300]TH never got involved with the Big Boys - the Big Boys got involved with HIM. There are a lot of independant film makers out there - should they quit if a big company nicks their idea on a bigger budget? What if Trainspotting was nearing completion, then Paramount suddenly announced that they were doing a version, with the greatest filmaker ever, and a host of big names, fast-tracked to be released just after the independant version. Should the original director dump his work coz the Big Boys are in town?
As for riding SSs coat tails - you can't be serious! Unless Hines can see the future, how could he decide in 1997 to make a film that could be released on DVD to coincide with the release of SSs movie that wasn't announced until late 2004? And TH HAS had released films before - admittedly, not to a large market, but releases non the less.
The reason for the original modernizing was down to the initial backers. They were based in Seattle, and wanted to see WOTW set in their own backyard. TH wanted to do period, but if you want the money to make it, you do what the investors pay for. Only after 9/11 was this rethunk.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 14, 2005 12:25:48 GMT
Bayne, we critics are under no illusions about our utter irrelevance to Hines. Yet again our arguments are completely distorted. We are not whingeing for the sake of it, we are criticising what on the evidence so far looks like a grade-z stinker. We are also criticising the constant BS and downright distortion of the truth that appears to emanate from Pendragon, which could have been forestalled if they had been honest from the start. As for HailTheTripod’s comments – if Hines is such a minnow fighting such a lost cause, then he should never have got involved with the big boys. Unless his intention all along was to make a grade-z straight-to-DVD schlock-fest designed purely to ride Spielberg’s coat-tails and give Hines his first real release (because don’t forget, he hasn’t actually released a film before, so what better way to get a release on his CV than by surfing the WotW wave in Stevie Boy’s wake?). And in any case, I question just how much he really cares about this movie – or, rather, I question how much he cares about WotW, as I’m sure he cares about getting this movie, a movie, any movie, released. Don’t forget, when Timbo started out, he was going to make an updated WotW – in other words, do exactly what everyone who wants a period WotW slags Stevie Boy off for doing (but for a twentieth of Spielberg’s budget, natch). Despite all that, if he does get it released on DVD, I’ll be buying it, because I still want to see what Hines makes of it. But I refuse to romanticise him. Hines has not gotten invovled with the 'Big Boys', his project stands on its own, like Paramounts and Waynes versions do. Each studio recognises what the others are doing. As far as I am aware Hines has released a film 'Bug Wars' which came out on video some time back, although I have never seen such said item, but have been made aware of it. With regards to how much Hines cares about TWOTW, enough to actually start the project in the first place, to realise the project would involve more than he had realised, but still wishing to come out of it with the (rumoured) release of 60,000 dvd outlets. He could just simply NOT release it, but he would not benifit becuase of the money put into the project in the first place. If he has (rumoured) spent $12 million making this film, he will not get a 3rd of that back from the sales of just 60,000 outlets for the dvd, but there will be time to make more. . . But atleast give him some credit for starting it in the first place even though he has not been entirely accurate with us.
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Post by McTodd on Mar 14, 2005 13:12:15 GMT
Who says Hines has been working on WotW since 1997? As far as I know, he started in late 2000, at the same time as Tom Cruise was known to be interested. Hines even says so himself:
“We approached Paramount with a version of WAR OF THE WORLDS nearly a year before September 11th. At that time we learned that Tom Cruise was interested in becoming involved in a WAR OF THE WORLDS project. Nothing came of it then as we were mostly focused on copyright issues with Paramount.”
So he knew Cruise was interested from day one, which made it pretty likely someone big would make it (after all, it’s Tom fecking Cruise). Of course, there’s the obligatory BS about ‘if Cruise wants to talk to me, he can.’ Yeah, right, Tom Cruise is going to discuss making WotW with Pendragon Pictures, I can see that.
And where’s your evidence that Hines’ backers wanted WotW updated? I’ve been looking at PP’s website since 2001, and there was never anything there to suggest that Hines was anything other than keen to ‘re-imagine’ WotW for artistic reasons.
In any case, so what if PP started way before WotW was even a gleam in Cruiseberg’s collective eye (which I dispute)?
The point is that now, and for some time, Hines must have realised that his film was shaping up to be a turkey, and the only way he’d get any kind of release was as a cheapo DVD riding on Cruiseberg’s back.
And I did not say that small independent film-makers shouldn’t make films – what I did say was that small independent film-makers shouldn’t make out that they’re making big blistering blockbusters when it’s clear they aren’t. Hines is the one trying to play with the big boys – ‘If Cruise wants to talk to me’ etc.
I’m not even against Hines per se – but I am against the way he’s turned intelligent, sensible people into simpering wrecks who seem prepared to defend and justify every bit of cheap jack hucksterism Hines has perpetrated.
‘At least he’s tried’ – Yeah, fine, but since when has that been justification? I tried to pay the violin, it still didn’t stop me making a noise like a cat being buggered. I wouldn’t have wanted to listen to a recording of my playing, let alone inflict it on anyone else.
‘Well, I couldn’t do any better’ – Again, how does that excuse anything? I probably couldn’t run the country any better than Tony Blair, but it still doesn’t mean I can’t say he’s doing a sh*it job. Hines is a film-maker – it’s his bloody job to make films better than you or me.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 14, 2005 13:21:25 GMT
Just curious, but who are you quoting there?
‘At least he’s tried’ & ‘Well, I couldn’t do any better’
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Post by McTodd on Mar 14, 2005 13:48:08 GMT
You ask who I quote, Horsell... [glow=purple,2,300] But the point is, he tried. ...I applaud TH for attempting it, even if it a bad movie, for I could do no better.[/glow]
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Post by themotile on Mar 14, 2005 14:23:20 GMT
You ask who I quote, Horsell... He got you there H_C LOL
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Post by Ashe Raven on Mar 14, 2005 14:31:26 GMT
Dishonesty aside from Hines
None of tyou can deny the film actually exists now. Hines will come out of this the flawed visionary whatever happens, and in some way, it may credit him better than you think on his CV.
We know who Hine's is, Millions don't. If he puled something off thats remotly close toepic, even if itison DVD, then some studios will pay note to what he could do with an accountant, more money and a iron clad contract for anything he may screw up. There is some irony to that.
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