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Post by Lensman on Feb 26, 2005 23:42:31 GMT
There is a disclaimer on entering this site that protects the owner and his admins from being sued because of a contrversial post. We the posters can not be sued either as we are just made up names with anonymity. I hope no one actually believes this. Sadly, it does seem to be indicative of the mindset of those who think they can post anything they want to the Internet, even if it is harmful to someone's reputation. And those who think their identity can't be traced may be setting themselves up for a very unpleasant shock.
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Post by themotile on Feb 26, 2005 23:47:41 GMT
I hope no one actually believes this. Sadly, it does seem to be indicative of the mindset of those who think they can post anything they want to the Internet, even if it is harmful to someone's reputation. And those who think their identity can't be traced may be setting themselves up for a very unpleasant shock. Jesus its like being in a playground. Did I say we can post anything we want? NO Did I say talking about people being sued was going over the top? YES So Lensy you think guys here including me can harm a reputation by what we post? What utter tripe. Yoy guys need to take those sticks out your asses and relax. lifes too short.
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Post by Gnorn on Feb 26, 2005 23:53:18 GMT
I never said it did Gnorn, I would presume manners and self regulation would automaticaly take care of that. Sometimes however the truth can be an ugly beast. Like I said no reason to go over the top. Motile, I do not want to get into a fight of words with you over this, but when you post the before mentioned statement, it sure looks like saying it's ok to say whatever one wants, since - as I conclude from your post - there will be no repercursions, as this site is not responsible for ones statements, and one is anonimous on the internet, which, by the way, I beg to differ. -Gnorn
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syrtismajor
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Post by syrtismajor on Feb 26, 2005 23:58:13 GMT
I just think everybody here needs to chill out. This is just a film, and this is just a forum. We should all respect the will of the moderators as it is their responsability of what is shown on these boards. As motile said, life is too short. And we only have a month left to see what is happening with Pendragon's film. There is a lot of opinions going around here being said as fact, and it is obscuring what could actually be true. Lets just sit back and see what happens. We're all friends connected by one thing, a certain book written by a certain genius. Lets act that way. Opinions are opinions and facts are facts. We'll all find out who is right and who is wrong soon, let's do Wells proud and be friendly about it.
Sorry if this seems a little sappy but I've been on my home made beer, it's a little strong. Goodnight!
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Post by Anthony on Feb 27, 2005 0:00:11 GMT
I believe it wont be until 2 weeks before March 30 till Pendragon will start releasing new material and news and some of the news will be that it is being pushed back.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Feb 27, 2005 1:26:44 GMT
Disclaimer or no, the board rules do not allow potentially libellous or such material. Libellous comments are just as likely to stir up the hornet's nest as a verbal slight to another member. I think our membership is generally above stooping to that kind of crap anyway. Bottom line.. Please try and avoid that type of thing... Better safe than sorry.
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Post by Ashe Raven on Feb 27, 2005 2:20:27 GMT
Disclaimers on forums are not watertight my friend. Froums have been succesfuly sued
Pay heed to evilnerfherders advice.
It's always wiser to make sure you have facts you can back up with other facts. If not, then all it is is an opinion and it's best to make sure thats how you put it.
I've always got by with the line
"...in my personal opinion..."
Journalistic integrity and so forth ^-^
Sorry to have interrupted the topic Nerf
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Post by dudalb on Feb 27, 2005 5:19:00 GMT
If Pendragon made the film with the assumption that the book was in the public domain throughout the world, and not just in the US,then whoever their lawyer is needs to be fired for sloppy reseach. The Way I understand it, and I stand to be corrected, as far the film title "War Of The Worlds",goes, Paramount held the title in the US, Wayne did in Europe and a few other markets, and a deal was negotiatied to allow both Wayne and Paramount to use the title in all Markets. That the Wayne film will not be out until 2007 -when it will not compete with the Paramount Version -was probably an unofficial part of the deal. But the whole film is looking dodgier and dogier if they have legal problems with a UK and European release.
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Post by Lensman on Feb 27, 2005 6:45:27 GMT
If Pendragon made the film with the assumption that the book was in the public domain throughout the world, and not just in the US,then whoever their lawyer is needs to be fired for sloppy reseach. Perhaps you've already read this, but Hines talks a bit about the complex WotW copyright issue in this interview: stuffo.howstuffworks.com/wotw-hinesthree1.htm
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Post by RustiSwordz on Feb 27, 2005 11:39:21 GMT
if anything, the legalities will probably kill this film in development hell before we ever see it.
Personally i feel that this film is an also ran, a wanna be caught between two giants and killed stone dead becaause of it.
will we ever see this film.
No. The various legalities will see to that.
will the film be seen on general release even if the film over comes the above.
No. PP has never released any other movies because no one has picked up the distribution rights. This it seems, is the same for Chrome which actually looks fairly cool. I feel the same could be said of PP WOTW.
Ive not seen the finished product but if the trailers are to go by then the film is half finished and shoddy. Sorry to bring it up again. This means a March 05 release is looking at a March 07 release. v
The odds are not in PP's favour. I give them one chance in 10.
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Post by themotile on Feb 27, 2005 11:47:09 GMT
if anything, the legalities will probably kill this film in development hell before we ever see it. Personally i feel that this film is an also ran, a wanna be caught between two giants and killed stone dead becaause of it. will we ever see this film. No. The various legalities will see to that. will the film be seen on general release even if the film over comes the above. No. PP has never released any other movies because no one has picked up the distribution rights. This it seems, is the same for Chrome which actually looks fairly cool. I feel the same could be said of PP WOTW. Ive not seen the finished product but if the trailers are to go by then the film is half finished and shoddy. Sorry to bring it up again. This means a March 05 release is looking at a March 07 release. v The odds are not in PP's favour. I give them one chance in 10. Apparently Rusti you cant say any of that as your leaving your self open to be sued, according to Ashe anyway.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Feb 27, 2005 12:53:02 GMT
Not so fast, Motile. That post is clearly Rusti's opinion. Anyone can see that. Nobody is saying you can't have opinions..
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Feb 27, 2005 13:14:40 GMT
I think a lot of us are getting use to this now as it's becoming a regular habit on here of late.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Feb 27, 2005 13:29:49 GMT
Not so fast, Motile. That post is clearly Rusti's opinion. Anyone can see that. Nobody is saying you can't have opinions.. i want the film to work, i really do, but all i was doing was forming an opinion based on the information to hand. even then, if we all dont have the full information, which i dont think we do, then all we can do is make as guess like me. my opinions are mine, no one elses.
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Post by Ashe Raven on Feb 27, 2005 13:32:10 GMT
Apparently Rusti you cant say any of that as your leaving your self open to be sued, according to Ashe anyway. Sorry Motile, your wrong. He's stated an opinion, backed it up with evidence that makes suggstion to support his claim. But as he has no solid facts as to the production of the film itself, he has not gone so far as to say they are actual fact. Being sued is not about censorship, Motile. As you said the film industry is a cruel world, and if someone spurts facts where there are none and thus negitivly effects the buisiness interests of another through false claims, the hurt party has evry right to sue for the loss of business.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Feb 27, 2005 13:42:03 GMT
Corr blimey, we carry on like this on here we'll be sueing one another next for slandour ;D
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Post by themotile on Feb 27, 2005 14:44:31 GMT
Sorry Motile, your wrong. He's stated an opinion, backed it up with evidence that makes suggstion to support his claim. But as he has no solid facts as to the production of the film itself, he has not gone so far as to say they are actual fact. Being sued is not about censorship, Motile. As you said the film industry is a cruel world, and if someone spurts facts where there are none and thus negitivly effects the buisiness interests of another through false claims, the hurt party has evry right to sue for the loss of business. Yes I know rusti was only stating his opinion but ulla123 stated his opinion too Ashe but you had a problem with that, I dont understand your reasoning.
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Feb 27, 2005 14:55:54 GMT
For petes sake ..
The SOONER this bloody film comes out the better, I don't give a toss now about the effects or if it is crap come 30th March I will gladly go and see any tosh that is released ... all this is sucking my will to live and potential enjoyment of the film, I was looking forward to it, now it just seems a grind, all this stupid pointless bickering over bleeding trivialities which I am sure everybody involved in the films have sorted out ...jeez, I really cannot see any director not making sure of all the legalities before starting production.
It really isn't gonna be pleasent on here if this drags for months ....here's PRAYING that Hinzy gets is backside into gear and gets this thing out ...for the sake of sanity
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Post by themotile on Feb 27, 2005 15:19:52 GMT
I cant see it being a legel issue Tomo, Hines spent $12k getting the rights sorted out, im sure it would have all been sorted before they started spending their millions.
Its probably as simple as they aint finished yet and times running out, it happens with indie films so its no shock. The only real sticking point is that theres 34 days to go and they havent made any anouncment, either they think they will do it on time or they are leaving it until last minute.
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Post by themotile on Feb 27, 2005 15:23:13 GMT
Not so fast, Motile. That post is clearly Rusti's opinion. Anyone can see that. Nobody is saying you can't have opinions.. Yes they are nerfy, Ashe is saying that we can be sued for our opinions if we consider those opinions to be fact. Thats simply over the top. I have to wonder though is this site a bit more sensitive because its owned by Paramount?
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