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Post by themotile on Feb 4, 2005 13:47:18 GMT
To be honest it lacks realism in a big way, its just a blob, you can almost hear the comedy 'woop!' noise as it drops behind some poorly composited trees.
Some of these shots wont be fixed by cleaning them up or tweaking them or changing their timing, they need to be done again, completely.
Sheesh the 1953 cylinder descent was better with its sparkler effect, youd think with the magic that is CG they could have at least got a meteor looking like a meteor.
I only praise crap when my little 2 year old girls done it with crayons, I say "oh wow thats nice..." but lets be honest its still crap but I stick it on my fridge none the less, I have no such duty to Pendragon, praise comes when its praiseworthy.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 4, 2005 14:26:05 GMT
i've seen bricks that look like the ones in that house... like they are made of large pieces of several bricks, then put together? usually what has happened is the mortar has come apart in places, giving the mortar in that area a darker look. and before any of you try to tear me a new one for defending the 'lego look', you would probably see the same thing if you took a trip to an old part of town and examined some of the brickwork. the warehouse where i work is very old, and some of the bricks are like that
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Post by themotile on Feb 4, 2005 14:59:14 GMT
yeah thats all well and good but I bet you wouldnt bet money that the house wont break up into 16 big pieces.
If your making an FX shot you dont make it so people can see the join, it ruins the magic, even in 1953 when the cylinder hits the house with Barry & Robinson inside you couldnt see the join.
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Post by maniacs on Feb 4, 2005 19:11:01 GMT
The falling star was not a meteorite. It was a ship landing a different thing. Meteorites break up as they fall to earth. Thats why they have the streaky tails.
What you have there is a large object staying intact but flaming because of friction.
The description of anything falling from the sky then would be falling star or meteor just like now we'd call that a UFO.
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Post by themotile on Feb 4, 2005 19:39:05 GMT
For all intents and purposes its a meteor, meteors arnt meteors because they break up its because they are lumps of material. big or small that fall from the sky.
The cylinder isnt a space ship in the strictest sense of the word its more like a giant bullet, a space worthy container shot to earth, falling into the atmosphere in free fall, it cannot take back off and fly back to Mars.
The PP cylinder isnt anything, its not even cartoon like. Its a blob that changes course to suddenly drop behind some trees. Even the composited ladys watching arnt looking in the right direction, in fact they look like they just stood up in the cinema as you watch a bad pirate copy.
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Post by maniacs on Feb 4, 2005 19:43:09 GMT
Meteorites break up!!!
The rock that enters the atmosphere is a hell of a lot bigger than the end product which hits the earth. Trust me. A streaky star would not have been right as it would suggest the cylander broke up.
My only gripe with that scene is that it's not a cylander.
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Post by themotile on Feb 4, 2005 19:58:09 GMT
Meteorites break up!!! The rock that enters the atmosphere is a hell of a lot bigger than the end product which hits the earth. Trust me. A streaky star would not have been right as it would suggest the cylander broke up. My only gripe with that scene is that it's not a cylander. me·te·or·ite (mt--rt) n. A stony or metallic mass of matter that has fallen to the earth's surface from outer space. From the dictionary dude.
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Post by maniacs on Feb 4, 2005 20:48:37 GMT
They still break up in the earths surface whatever the definition. Friction wears them down. Thats why the moon is so cratered and the Earth isn't. Atmosphere.
The streaky tale that is normally associated with them is ice, dust and debris.
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Post by Rob on Feb 4, 2005 21:29:07 GMT
I think you mean a comet there,
The main reason the moon has craters is the lack of weather, and tectonic plates.
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Post by Bayne on Feb 4, 2005 21:56:44 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]A meteor-ite is a meteor that has managed to reach the ground. The glow and streak of a meteor is the surface vaporising from the friction of atmospheric entry.
Most burn up before they reach the ground. [/glow]
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Post by themotile on Feb 4, 2005 22:23:38 GMT
So the cylinder is actualy a synthetic meteorite, it is designed NOT to break up and its descent is calculated (by minds vast and cool) to land the thing sideways so it can slide to a stop.
In every way it is a meteorite. It falls from space to the earth. A natural meteorita may break up on entry but not all do, in 1994 a piece of iron oar the size of a VW golf fell to Antarctica near the British Halley station it smashed through the ice shelf and came to rest on the sea bed under the ice shelf, it did not break up and only lost 15% of its mass on entry.
The Moon is pock marked with craters because it has no atmosphere to protect it from the thousands upon thousands of bodies that roam our solar system. The Earth is hit hundreds of times a week but 99.9% burn up in our atmosphere.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 4, 2005 23:38:40 GMT
yeah thats all well and good but I bet you wouldnt bet money that the house wont break up into 16 big pieces. If your making an FX shot you dont make it so people can see the join, it ruins the magic, even in 1953 when the cylinder hits the house with Barry & Robinson inside you couldnt see the join. its my impression that those 'lego' sections, as you put it, are not joins. they were made to look that way intentionally, for the reason i stated before. i'll take a picture of the walls where i work, they look like that. the mortar has cracked and in some spots been filled in again, giving it that type of look.
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Post by I own a cylinder on Feb 5, 2005 1:28:05 GMT
So the cylinder is actualy a synthetic meteorite. Heres a blow up of part of Pendragons earlier storyboard that shows the Cylinder opening... Clearly PP was going to use a synthetic meteorite as a casing for something inside. COmpare the shape of the meteroite in this panel with the concept art of it dimolishing the house...they are quite similar.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 5, 2005 1:38:34 GMT
ugh that has to be from the scrapped modernized version
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Post by I own a cylinder on Feb 5, 2005 1:55:09 GMT
yeah it is.
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Post by themotile on Feb 5, 2005 5:44:38 GMT
So the original plan was to do away with the screw?
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Post by maniacs on Feb 5, 2005 9:06:31 GMT
They still break up in the earths surface whatever the definition. Friction wears them down. Thats why the moon is so cratered and the Earth isn't. Atmosphere. The streaky tale that is normally associated with them is ice, dust and debris. Thats what I said motile about the atmosphere. With comets they tend to get a tail as they approach the sun and the ice melts. I still think the PP star may look right. The object falling is big enough to contain 5 martians, a world domination kit and a toilet so would look large and with the green flame from heat trailing off it completes the effect that you see.
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Post by Rob on Feb 5, 2005 10:48:43 GMT
Available now! New World Domination kit, only £99.99 from Argos.
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Post by themotile on Feb 5, 2005 10:57:12 GMT
Batteries not included.....
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Post by themotile on Feb 5, 2005 11:03:41 GMT
Thats what I said motile about the atmosphere. With comets they tend to get a tail as they approach the sun and the ice melts. I still think the PP star may look right. The object falling is big enough to contain 5 martians, a world domination kit and a toilet so would look large and with the green flame from heat trailing off it completes the effect that you see. Its got nothing to do with a tail on the meteorite, you can do that however you like, Rippleys crash in alien 3, the meteorite strike in empire strikes back, heck even the 1953 George Pal cylinder landing, they were all different and all worked in there own way but the PP cylinder just looks nasty, cheap, badly animated and rushed. Thats why it doesnt work.
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