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Post by Necronmaniac on Feb 2, 2005 12:52:52 GMT
Is that picture of the handling machine a still from the film or is it a piece of concept art? If its a still from the film then O.M.G! Yeah the house model looks a bit "modelly" but as has been pointed out its is just a photo of a model its not got any sort of cinematic wizadry going on with it yet. I dont think it would have been fair to expect mind blowing SFX given the budget Hines is working on, but with the money he has had he seems to be doing a great job
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Post by HTT on Feb 2, 2005 12:53:46 GMT
They could washing up liquid bottles put together with sticky back plastic! Still, beats the hell out of BPs Tracey Island!! ;D
All I can say is...FANTASTIC!!! It reminds me of Babylon 5's Shadow vessels. I just love it!!! Imagine that crawling out at you!! It'll certainly put the willies up any arachnophobes seeing that scuttle about!! Oh PLEASE Mr Hines...put up a shot of the full Fighting machine!!
It's a shame that we only see part of the front Thunderchild - and plain shaded as well. I would have liked to have seen a still of the Thunderchild hurtling towards the hood of a Fighting Machine. Still, can't have everything - but it looks like we will when the DVD comes out!!
IN YOUR FACE, SPIELBERG!!! THIS is what we want!!
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Post by themotile on Feb 2, 2005 12:58:23 GMT
H.C. dont knock toilet tubes, Doctor Who wouldnt have been half as succesful fighting bad guys without his bog roll guns!
The voice of reason.
The thing ive noticed since those pictures were posted is the strange over the top reaction to the pics, almost a desperate grabbing of any slim hope of a decent film, even though in reality ones concept art, most of us could do concept art, ones the Narrator and Curate in the house, the Curate doing his Richie from Bottom impression to pass the time, theres the funny lego house, can anyone spot where its going to break apart, no? just folloe the BIG BLACK LINES. Lastly the handling machine, actualy that looks ok but not exactly photo realistic is it, im not knocking the design its quite creepy, like a spider. It is however unclear if its a piece of art or part of a squence. Whatever it is its entirely CG so to see how that unphotorealistic, almost cartoony image interacts with real people or buildings is still to be seen. Their track record with compositing isnt that geat so I wont hold my breath.
The thunder child pic is ace, we get the same lego house, some students and guy on a computer drawing the framework of the thunderchild and every one cries "the thunder child looks impressive so far" hang on its a partial frame on some computer how does it look impressive again?
And is the I.T./graphics department in the model shop which is also doubling as a green SFX room? hmmm and is the graphics department one confused guy in the corner on some old desk using some basic graphics package.....
I say cut out the "wow im realy excited now" exclamations until you see the next trailer, 5 pics with only one still from the film of two guys in a cellar isnt enough to turn the tide just yet.
Also I dont know if anyone noticed but the cast diaries were written by Hines himself, an own goal there as he mostly rants about how great he is using arkane language he thinks we Brits all use in real life.
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Post by I own a cylinder on Feb 2, 2005 13:19:55 GMT
I say cut out the "wow im realy excited now" exclamations until you see the next trailer, 5 pics with only one still from the film of two guys in a cellar isnt enough to turn the tide just yet. No, but its a start. it confirms that they have actually done summit that looks decidedly creepy.
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Post by themotile on Feb 2, 2005 13:26:36 GMT
No, but its a start. it confirms that they have actually done summit that looks decidedly creepy. Yes I agree totaly it is a start and PP need to do more, its in the right direction but I have seen nothing to warrant the reactions seen so far, they have a long way to go, is it not better to cheer them on with encouragment rather than accept the latest offering as enough? The HM looks good, now lets see a sixty second previs!
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Post by HTT on Feb 2, 2005 13:36:35 GMT
Strange over the top reaction NO! It's the building excitement to something we've looked forward to since we were 7 years old. We're actually SEEING some progress, and it does look good, so we can't help getting excited. When Jeff's test footage of the FM came out, EVERYONE raved about it - No-one says that was over the top, even though it's test code and 2 years away. C'mon, admit it - it's exciting you really!! What makes you think the Cast Diaries were written by Hines? There's nowt on the site to say they were written by him. So the models look at bit iffy - but then, any prop model does when photographed on a table! Look at the LOTR bigatures - some do look awful, but when lit correctly, composited, run through some CGI tweaks and effects added, they look awesome.
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Post by Rob on Feb 2, 2005 13:40:48 GMT
Thats true, a guy on my course is currently building a house miniture for a horror film he's shooting, it looks like a model house in real life (and no where near as good as the pendragon one) but when he shows some sample shots of it with correct lighting etc it looks great, and very real.
I have to admit that I too am still excited about the coming film, after all it's about 8 weeks away now, yet I understand that we can't decide exactly what the film will look like off a few snippets. This works negatively and possitively though, we don't know if it's good or bad till we've seen the full film.
New stuff is always encouraging though.
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Post by I own a cylinder on Feb 2, 2005 13:41:12 GMT
So the models look at bit iffy - but then, any prop model does when photographed on a table! Exactly. And besides, how do we know that they don't have another version of the house that isn't sliced into segments for the shots prior to the cylinder hitting it. (I would). Has anyone else noticed that in the Hi Res image of the Fighting Machine striding over the gun, the third and second leg look like they are emerging from the tree line?
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 2, 2005 14:13:04 GMT
Quote"I know i'm gonna have fun and thats all i give a hoot about in the end." - well as long as your alright Jack!! What, pray tell, is a smack talker ? Coming from Hobbiton, the land of fairies and elves, I'm not sure I'm familiar with your concept. Have you ever heard of a psychiactric concept called projection. It usually occurs in people who eat to many hamburgers, and who are unable to seperate the influences and subconcious impulses of their own supressed animalistic ego with the actions and behaviours of others. You see they project their insanity onto others. It is largely the cause of most trouble in the world and always has been. With that in mind might I suggest it is not WE that are the 'smack talkers' in here? I consider our critisism was level headed and objective for the most part and have awarded credit where credit is due. read the posts in this thread for the latest image releases and you'll see for the most part a significant approval rating was given. Anyway - great rom site by the way malf - and I do love your paper FMs - it would seem that your not all lunatic!! sheesh... when i virtually pointed out you 3 'smack talkers' (if you can't figure out what it means from the context then sorry boutcha) it was done in jest and good humor, with optimism regarding the new pictures. i thought the grinning smiley with the huge teeth might have given that away. oh and please don't try to sike-o-anylize me, first you have to understand my motivations, and yeah i understand projection, its when you eat too many hamburgers and projectile vomit all over some poor slob right?
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Post by themotile on Feb 2, 2005 17:48:23 GMT
What's a 'smack talker' malf?
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Post by Rob on Feb 2, 2005 21:35:21 GMT
Now now gentlemen, calm down. Back on topic if you please
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Post by mlb on Feb 3, 2005 0:16:19 GMT
One of the things that rang my chimes about the handling machine is that it looks, in a word, "menacing". Several other blogsters have made this observation as well. From what I read in the novel, they really didn't particularly stand out as being dangerous in any way. Actually, I kind of pictured them as being something like an over-sized Mars Rover with legs instead of wheels, and intended more as utility vehicles than anything else. And this leads to another interesting aspect that presents itself here. When Wells wrote the novel, he was employing the time-worn tricks of the trade that authors have used for hundreds of years to describe things. Wells had some kind of image in mind for his hardware and described it, well enough, in bits and pieces throughout the novel, sometimes in shorter segments, sometimes longer. He had no idea that these visions would ever be seen in any other way except through illustration. This is also a time-honored tradition, and who would buy their child a copy of Alice in Wonderland without the equally wonderful Tenniel illustrations? I think, in this case, the drawings actually surpass Carrol's writing in making a memorable impression. But getting back to Wells, cinema was in it's very infancy when he wrote WotW, and nobody in them days was thinking of putting their stuff up on any kind of screen. But Hines, with the route he has chosen to do the right thing and set the proper timeframe, must also blend all of these images into some kind of whole vision. That is to say, if we see a bunch of people in funny clothes fleeing and screaming through a field somewhere, whatever is chasing them must somehow fit into the overall scheme of things, and look the part, or whatever shortcomings there may be in the acting, or any other aspect of the production, will be amplified, because things will be out of joint in relation to each other. So he has to make it all look copecetic, and from what he has shown so far, I think he is keeping this thought front and center. These devices do seem to have a biomechanical aspect, like Alien, so that at first glance you can't really tell what the hell it is, and yet they also have an almost timeless quality to them, that would allow them to fit into any historical era. And I can say that, if I were around back then, and I went out to the stables to hitch-up a carriage and head into town, and I rounded the corner and saw one of these handling machines dismembering and dissecting one of the horses - well, I don't think I'd need any other kind of transportation to get my arse out of there pronto other than mine own 2 feet. The best - and cheapest - way to go with f/x is always maximum effect with minimum screen time. Whet the audience's appitite at the start, and then keep feeding it throughout the film, while always trying to ratchet-up the tension and anxiety levels. And to make the gear awesome and scary and mysterious is the ideal formula to achieve this. And it also almost guarantees return visits to the theater to try and catch something that may have been missed the first time.
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Post by Killraven on Feb 3, 2005 22:48:30 GMT
Well I was pleased with most of the shots... but less so with the house exterior Maybe I'll be more impressed when I see a long view of the street. After all, in the book, the narrator tells of how he and the curate moved from the 'house next door' - well sorry but to my eyes this one looks like "the house on the hill with the picket fence". Not bad for Little House on the Prairie but I need to see more before I fully agree it fits in with our story.
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Post by quaderni on Feb 4, 2005 1:37:31 GMT
I think I share the thread's emerging consensus... (especially as one who has been rather sceptical about both the SS and Hines productions).
That said, I am very excited about these high resolution images and look forward to seeing more! I think Hines's take on Martian technology is really fascinating and I hope is translates well to the silver screen.
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Post by I own a cylinder on Feb 4, 2005 2:40:34 GMT
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 4, 2005 3:34:14 GMT
not a bad bit of compositing, and when the house is part of a scene, it looks a lot more realistic. i'm sure it'll look just fine in the final product
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Post by Ashe Raven on Feb 4, 2005 8:41:30 GMT
People tend to forget that lighting is everything, and if there is something I can shining through is that Hine's knows how to use lighting extreamly well
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Post by maniacs on Feb 4, 2005 9:49:29 GMT
I dont think the house is meant to remain on camera for long. I would imagine that model would be hit almost as soon as we see it. Or maybe the strong brick lines would be touched up.
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Post by themotile on Feb 4, 2005 11:07:24 GMT
Whet the audience's appitite at the start, and then keep feeding it throughout the film, while always trying to ratchet-up the tension and anxiety levels. Unfortunately the first SFX shot you will see is that comical cartoon cylinder. First impressions count for a lot.
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Post by Ashe Raven on Feb 4, 2005 13:39:05 GMT
A lot of physic were ingoned in that shot.
I really hope he cleans it up
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