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Post by VES on May 20, 2005 3:18:40 GMT
On a side note; the cover art's kinda nifty.
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Post by Lensman on May 20, 2005 5:29:24 GMT
All because its up on one site doesn't mean a thing. Pendragon tell people the things they want to hear. Well I'm willing to be told I'm wrong-- I don't know much about the DVD distribution business-- but common sense tells me that Amazon.com doesn't list something because the film maker told them it's coming out; it lists something because the DVD distributor told them it's coming out, and the distributor is arranging with outlets for copies to be shipped.
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Post by Lensman on May 20, 2005 5:39:31 GMT
Personally, I wasn't expecting any extras on the DVD. Extras cost money, and clearly that's in very short supply on this production. I mean, since they apparently can't even afford to hire a publicity agency, I would have been *very* surprised to see much in the way of extras.
I can't say I'm very surprised at the over-18 rating, either, considering the much-discussed "electro-bondage" shot in the trailer. OTOH perhaps that's one reason Hines is having trouble getting a distributor. Very few "over 18" films get theatrical release.
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Post by MarkG on May 20, 2005 12:17:59 GMT
Extras are cheap, cheap cheap. Christ, even the low-budget student short I worked on last year had some guy following us around with a camcorder taping interviews with the cast and crew.
Sticking a behind the scenes documentary and a commentary track on a DVD probably costs you a couple of thousand dollars, even if you have to pay for someone to shoot it and edit it... and, most likely, you could find a film student eager to do it for coffee and cheese sandwiches. You really think that Pendragon can't afford that much out of their '$40,000,000 budget'?
Since when? Until recently the majority of horror movies were R-rated... it's only the switch of target audience from late teens to twelve-year-olds in Hollywood that's caused any change to lower-rated movies. And there aren't many twelve-year-olds clamoring to see Pendragon's movie.
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Post by dudalb on May 20, 2005 17:22:45 GMT
The "Electro Bondage: scene is R rated at worst, I have stuff in PG rated scenes that is a lot more disturbing then that. I got a feeling the 18 rating is just another Hines ploy to sell his film by using those two old show biz stand bys Sex and Violence. And don't forget that Timbo has a history of exploitation type films with alleged sexual content: his sci fi Lesbian epic for example.... Hines is not a legitimate film maker, period. If you don't have enough money to hire a publcity agent you have no business whatsoever trying to film War Of The Worlds, a project that is going to require a decent size budget. Hell, Timbo could not even afford to hire professional actors. Even the Asylum version did that. I am willing to bet that the final budget for this thing is a couple of Million dollars with a best case scenario. There are some projects that if you do not have a decent budget you should not attempt to do. WOTW is one of them.
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Post by Poyks on May 21, 2005 1:16:13 GMT
I'm going to try and remain sort of optimistic! At least if we all expect to be disappointed, then the film itself can only beat all expectations. In the past I was often built up by masses of hype for a film, creating a cynical approach to viewing. It will be good to say (eventually), "right, seen and (hopefully) enjoyed that one......next!"
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Post by uuulllaaa on May 21, 2005 17:45:15 GMT
Im past worrying ablut how good the film is gona be i just want to know when the hell were going to see it.
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Post by uuulllaaa on May 21, 2005 17:49:48 GMT
And before anyone says ITS OUT ON DVD JUNE 14th (allthough i do hope)ill believe it when i got it in my hands.
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Post by uuulllaaa on May 21, 2005 17:52:43 GMT
Oh and by the way that cover art is a joke.Even though i dont think its genuine.
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Post by RustiSwordz on May 21, 2005 22:53:22 GMT
The "Electro Bondage: scene is R rated at worst, I have stuff in PG rated scenes that is a lot more disturbing then that. I got a feeling the 18 rating is just another Hines ploy to sell his film by using those two old show biz stand bys Sex and Violence. And don't forget that Timbo has a history of exploitation type films with alleged sexual content: his sci fi Lesbian epic for example.... Hines is not a legitimate film maker, period. If you don't have enough money to hire a publcity agent you have no business whatsoever trying to film War Of The Worlds, a project that is going to require a decent size budget. Hell, Timbo could not even afford to hire professional actors. Even the Asylum version did that. I am willing to bet that the final budget for this thing is a couple of Million dollars with a best case scenario. There are some projects that if you do not have a decent budget you should not attempt to do. WOTW is one of them. ive seen better fan fic, in fact thats all he is.
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Post by Lensman on May 22, 2005 9:12:01 GMT
Extras are cheap, cheap cheap. <snip> Sticking a behind the scenes documentary and a commentary track on a DVD probably costs you a couple of thousand dollars, even if you have to pay for someone to shoot it and edit I'll take your word for it, but anyone who collects DVDs knows most low-budget pictures have few if any extras on their DVDs. [Lensman wrote: Very few "over 18" films get theatrical release.] Since when? Until recently the majority of horror movies were R-rated... Yes, and still are. "Over 18" isn't an R rating, it's an NC-17 rating. Formerly known as the "X" rating.
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Post by Lensman on May 22, 2005 9:17:51 GMT
The "Electro Bondage: scene is R rated at worst, I have stuff in PG rated scenes that is a lot more disturbing then that. Yes, and if we see that in the *trailer* then we can assume there is stuff "a lot more disturbing" in the actual movie. There are some projects that if you do not have a decent budget you should not attempt to do. WOTW is one of them. You're entitled to your opinion. And Timothy Hines is entitled to his artistic freedom in making a low-budget film. He has the right to make it; you have the right to either watch it-- or not.
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Post by Lensman on May 22, 2005 9:27:27 GMT
Oh and by the way that cover art is a joke.Even though i dont think its genuine. Well apparently Amazon.com is fooled. And to all those nay-sayers who say that's not a good DVD cover: I challenge you to make up a better one. Go ahead, post your artistic creation here!
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Post by Zoe on May 22, 2005 10:53:40 GMT
Oh and by the way that cover art is a joke.Even though i dont think its genuine. Well apparently Amazon.com is fooled. And to all those nay-sayers who say that's not a good DVD cover: I challenge you to make up a better one. Go ahead, post your artistic creation here! I would happily take up your challenge..... if I had a better selection of stills to use.... I do not believe a GOOD cover is really possible because I do not believe there is any more footage..... I have not seen anything to suggest that any more footage or any more stills exist than we have already seen. On the other hand...... Almost any still could have been used instead of that dreadful one with the pathetic fighting machines..... They look like glass ornaments.... or something cobbled together out of my Mum's button box..... They are a joke and about as frightening as the Telly Tubbies! They do not even look big..... There is no impression of scale..... they look about two inches high. Frankly, I think the stop motion animated plasticine dinosaurs I made as a kid were more realistic..... And that's saying something. Bottom line is I believe Hines is being totally fair. He could not be more honest if he wrote "This is tripe - suckers!" on the box. And just look at the body language of the 'actors' in the 'message from the cast'. The narrator can hardly stop himself from laughing and Miss Elphinstone is pissed! Look at the 'opera singer' - what is that all about? "We really know out worth - the Sun and I".... Hint hint hint..... - She might as well be singing "Springtime For Hitler and Germany!". I think that judgment on this movie has been driven by wishful thinking all along. OK..... I might be wrong..... Laugh at me if I am but at the moment I'm betting on the DVD being Hines and his girlfriend reading aloud from the book with the few clips, stills and concept art we've already seen thrown in for 'good' measure. I have seen nothing to make me think there is any more than we have seen already. Prove me wrong, Hines! Stop singing that same old song..... "I mean to rule the earth, the sea and sky! We really know our worth - the sun and I! The DVD is here! - go out and buy! My film is really great! See it and die!" Zoe
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Post by uuulllaaa on May 22, 2005 11:55:46 GMT
To lensman ,yeah i do think its a terrible cover and no i couldnt do a better one but im not the one putting the dvd out ,im a constuction worker if i built a wall as terrible as that i would be sacked.
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Post by MarkG on May 22, 2005 12:07:43 GMT
Usually because the movies are knocked out in two days by people who don't give a crap. Pendragon claim to have had _five years_ and millions of dollars to make this movie... an extras-free DVD is absurd in that case.
Ah, unless it's all been a fantasy from the start, of course.
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Post by tinckelly on May 22, 2005 21:54:22 GMT
OK Lensman. Here's what I did with a time limit of 2 hours and bits and pieces nicked off the web. You'll note that I don't have a $42 million dollar film to sample images of tripods from, hence the dodgy look. If I had the time Pendragon do, it would look better. So, 2 hours versus something produced by a company with a supposedly multi-million dollar movie to release and promote. The whole point is that there SHOULD be an enormous professional difference.
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Post by RustiSwordz on May 22, 2005 22:52:07 GMT
much better
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Post by RustiSwordz on May 22, 2005 22:53:37 GMT
i love the fire effect, i know its a simple photoshop montage but it really does look as if The Houses of parliment is inflames.
brilliant.
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Post by dudalb on May 22, 2005 23:06:57 GMT
The Cover posted is a 100 times better then what Hines gave us. The only thing is that the 42 Million dollar budget is as much a work of Science Fiction as the HG Wells novel. Hines himself is saying 12 Million. And the general consensus is that take away the 2 from 12 and you have what his budget was. I agree that I would not expect DVD extras on a cheapo DVD release,but Timbo was promising us a world of DVD extras....but then TImbo was promising us a lot that never happened. For what's it worth, Asylum, also working on a miniscule budget, is having some extras with it WOTW film. Lensman seems to be just about the last regular here who is trying to defend Tim Hines. Sorry, but every bit of evidence we have seens points to either a con man or a inept film maker with incredible pretentsions.
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