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Post by matzo on Jul 30, 2005 13:45:03 GMT
THATS A BLOODY GOOD IDEA!!! Mum ave we got any jam!
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jul 30, 2005 13:49:40 GMT
I was thinking of making a little crashed cylinder scene and use one of my daughters empty Sudocream tubs as it's got a nice detailed lid along with a threaded top. Trouble is, even if i use the large £4.95 size, the scale is still gonna be smaller than 00 or N gauge, meaning getting figures to match is right out. Not entirely my good fellow, you can get figures that I am sure will fit the scale. I used to build 1,350th scale ships and you could buy from the U.S and a U.K store some 'photo etched' figures in brass that you painted up. Take a look at www.tomsmodelworks.com (U.S), go to the 1,350th section and look under 'TITANIC' details, I am sure they are listed there for about £5.
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Post by matzo on Jul 30, 2005 13:52:29 GMT
oo gauge, maybe you could build a railway layout based around Horsell common!
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Post by Max on Jul 30, 2005 18:04:39 GMT
I'm thinking of copping out and just have the cylinder, twigs burnt and stunted for trees and burn marks on the ground for people so i can have the scene as the first morning on the common after the cyliner'd opened.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 30, 2005 20:36:32 GMT
For detailing, landscape materials etc., you should have a look at somewhere like 4D Model supplies: www.modelshop.co.uk/pages/home.htmThey do all sorts of odd scale figures (odd to mainstream modelmakers, but not so for architectural modelmakers I presume) - click 'online catalogue', navigate to 'model detail', then 'figures and animals'. Well worth browsing the rest of the site for stuff like trees, raw materials (styrene sheet, rod, tube, I-beams, metal rod and tube, the list goes on!), damn near anything.
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Post by Max on Jul 31, 2005 5:58:05 GMT
I'll certainly check them out - ta for the pointers. In the meantime, here's a bit of a develpoment. As you can see, this is the lower section and i've started adding panel lines and kit bits. The blank area above the front of the "codpiece" is going to be where the tentacles hang down:
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Post by Mr Death Ray on Jul 31, 2005 16:56:17 GMT
Hey Max. I'll give you some words of advice which I hope will help with you design (Very nice work so far!) - Make the tenticles pretty long. Remember, they have to sway around the body and be able to pick scared little humans off the ground. - Remember, the actions of the heat-ray are more human like then mechanical (e.g, "It raised the device above it's head", "It held the camera-like box") These descriptions don't conjour up images of just a petruding stick coming out of the body. This is why I think the tenticle arms should be holding the heat ray box. Hope this helps
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Post by matzo on Jul 31, 2005 16:59:57 GMT
Hey max, youre a modeler check out my thread called NEW WOTW battle game in the collectables section!! By the way is that a reflection of you in that tripod!!
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Post by Max on Jul 31, 2005 17:57:34 GMT
(A) Yeah, i really want the tentacles to hang quite far down (they did after all manage to pick up a bloke and bash his head against a tree) and be quite "curly" to suggest animation. Found the perfect answer with some plastic tube strengths in the kiddie bit of my local corner shop. Trouble is, they're gonna be too flimsy to hold the heat ray. Instead, i'm going for an arm coming out of the body in the pic above but with many joints so it could be put into any position needed.
(B) Yeah that's me reflected. I knew that i most probably would be seen so raised my head up before taking the shot- partly 'cause you're not ready for my mug but mainly i didn't want to come across as one of these weirdos that get their kicks by sneakly getting an image of themselves on the net - like the fella taking a photo of his chrome kettle in the nude and putting it up for sale on eBay...
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Post by matzo on Jul 31, 2005 18:06:02 GMT
its a cool tripod, simple design! anyway i have started my wotw horsell common scene using, z gauge people (Z gauge being the smallest gauge avaliable and a overliy big sized jar as the cylinder, i also have a model planned where a cylinder has crashed onto a railway line!! Have you checked out dat thread yet!!
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Post by Max on Jul 31, 2005 18:53:26 GMT
Er, you have a thread for yours? ? Where?
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Post by Mr Death Ray on Jul 31, 2005 19:05:06 GMT
I like the design so far too. If you go for the specially adapted arm to hold the heat-ray, make sure it is able to hold the heat ray box high up above the hood. Or maybe it would look better if the heat ray was supported by the arm, then fired by a tenticle?. Anyway, I was thinking of making a model based on my rough sketch I did
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Post by Max on Jul 31, 2005 19:31:40 GMT
Go for it! With the vagueness, who can say any of ours are wrong? And it'd be so cool if a lot of us have a go then compare and contrast. Regarding the Heat Ray, yeah i want to have it held up high - sort of like this: Got my Heat Ray now. It's not exactly "box" shaped but it has got a funnel.
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Post by matzo on Jul 31, 2005 20:40:41 GMT
My thread is in the collectables section! i t shoes a new Battle game based on twotw that has just come out!
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Post by Poyks on Aug 1, 2005 3:49:54 GMT
That's coming along nicely Max. How about using some silver spray on Hammerite on the legs? The mottled effect would give a greater sense of scale, especially if you emphasized the markings with brushed on enamel paint afterwards.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Aug 1, 2005 11:20:30 GMT
Just to set the record straight guys, sorry - the Heat Ray is attached to a mechanical arm and NOT the tenticles hanging down from the machine. It would look better that way and give the machine better scope when firing, but the H.G desribes it as being fixed to a arm.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Aug 1, 2005 12:11:05 GMT
Just to set the record straight guys, sorry - the Heat Ray is attached to a mechanical arm and NOT the tenticles hanging down from the machine. It would look better that way and give the machine better scope when firing, but the H.G desribes it as being fixed to a arm. I don’t think you can be so categorical about what carries the Heat-Ray box, it could go either way. The only explicit mention is when the Narrator recalls what the Artilleryman told him: ‘A kind of arm carried a complicated metallic case, about which green flashes scintillated, and out of the funnel of this there smote the Heat-Ray.’A ‘ kind of arm’, not simply an arm. This implies that it is not necessarily a conventional, jointed arm. It could be a tentacle, which is, after all, a ‘kind of arm’, but the Artilleryman might not necessarily use that term as it may be unfamiliar to him. In any case, squid and octopus tentacles are also referred to as arms (type 'squid arms' or 'octopus arms' into google and see how many references you get - incidentally, here's a really interesting one: news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/09/0907_octoarm.html). Now, on other threads, people have debated whether or not tentacles can carry heavy objects, and with any degree of precision. Whatever the problems in the real world, in Wells’ novel the Martian machines’ tentacles certainly are capable of heavy work: ‘Machine it was, with a ringing metallic pace, and long, flexible, glittering tentacles (one of which gripped a young pine tree)…’‘…the four [machines] carrying the debris of their comrade between them…’‘…[the handling machine] presented a sort of metallic spider with five jointed, agile legs, and with an extraordinary number of jointed levers, bars, and reaching and clutching tentacles about its body. Most of its arms were retracted, but with three long tentacles it was fishing out a number of rods, plates, and bars which lined the covering and apparently strengthened the walls of the cylinder. These, as it extracted them, were lifted out and deposited upon a level surface of earth behind it.’Note that ‘most of its arms were retracted’ – we know from the next quote that the tentacles could retract – but that the Narrator then goes on to say ‘but with three long tentacles it was fishing out a number of rods…’ You could read this as the Narrator using the terms ‘tentacle’ and ‘arm’ interchangeably, in order to avoid using the same word, ‘tentacle’, twice in close proximity in one sentence (which every writer learns early on is clumsy). Or you could say that there are distinct arms and tentacles on the machine. The point is, there is an ambiguity there. ‘As I looked, the handling-machine, with a faint and musical clinking, extended, telescopic fashion, a tentacle that had been a moment before a mere blunt projection, until its end was hidden behind the mound of clay. In another second it had lifted a bar of white aluminium into sight, untarnished as yet, and shining dazzlingly, and deposited it in a growing stack of bars that stood at the side of the pit.’The Black Smoke cannon are certainly carried in some fashion, most likely by tentacles as, apart from ambiguities concerning the Heat-Ray, they are the only carrying limbs the machines are said to possess: ‘It was a few minutes past nine that night when these three sentinels were joined by four other Martians, each carrying a thick black tube. A similar tube was handed to each of the three…’As far as I’m concerned, Wells uses the terms ‘tentacle’ and ‘arm’ interchangeably, and if someone wishes to depict a Fighting Machine holding the Heat-Ray case in a tentacle, I don’t see a problem. If they wish to depict a jointed arm, fine. But I can't see how anyone can say ' This is positively the case' or ' That is positively the case' - the text simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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Post by Mr Death Ray on Aug 1, 2005 14:20:42 GMT
Yeah, I understand what your saying. After all, the Martian in the pit does actually hold the heat-ray generator in its arms when it fires at the crowed, so i'm guessing the heat-ray is designed to be held by tenticles.
Also, when the martians are holding the black smoke launcher, they seem unable to use the heat ray at the same time. This gives us the impression that they are unable to use it due to their tenticles being busy using the smoke launcher insted. Anyway, both designs are good and both are authentic in different ways.
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Post by Max on Aug 4, 2005 13:58:25 GMT
Bit of an update. This is what eventually will be the Heat Ray. Not a box shape i know, but it does have a nifty funnel. Still adding bits and pieces too it and there'll be a few pipes too. At the bottom will be a gimble that attaches to the arm.
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Post by Mr Death Ray on Aug 4, 2005 15:31:37 GMT
WOW! Nice! ;D Hey, maybe the 'arm' could be a giant tenticle? That would be pretty cool.
Now to get to work on mine........
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