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Post by mctoddridesagain on Apr 18, 2005 11:53:38 GMT
And Trim's designs with their massively splayed out legs are more practicable?
In any case, practicability for a stage show is irrelevant to whether or not it's an aesthetically pleasing design.
And I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right, I'm merely saying that I find Trim's designs utterly bland.
As for his credentials as an iconic designer for Gerry Anderson - fine, but so what? His Martian machines still bore my ar*se off.
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Apr 19, 2005 1:25:07 GMT
I for one love the JW martian eyes, they are creepy, cold and unblinking. I see the point that if they were the martian's actual eyes (which I think they are) that would make the martian huge, but if you look at the illustration of the Parson and the Fighting Machines (which is clearly inspired by Salvador Dali's "The Temptation Of St Anthony") the FM's are much smaller. Actually that's one thing that's really annoyed me about the JW WOTW illustrations, the tripods seem to change size. I know they are supposed to contract and abbreviate but this is a universal scaling down/up. Weird. In terms of their lack of tentacles, I always thought that their tentacles were contracted up into the FM (unlike the book, where they seem to swing about the body). Perhaps those two pods where the leg struts attach to the main body house retractable tenticles?
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Post by Mr Death Ray on Apr 19, 2005 15:25:06 GMT
Can anyone give me a link to the other designs? Thanks.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Apr 19, 2005 15:51:52 GMT
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Post by Mr Death Ray on Apr 19, 2005 22:07:43 GMT
Thanks! Umm.. I've nether been very fond of those designs. Thay don't match the descriptions very well in my opinion.
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Apr 20, 2005 23:49:52 GMT
Peter Fussey's work is currently my favorite going around at the moment.
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Post by Lensman on Apr 21, 2005 19:53:29 GMT
I've finally figured out what the JW tripod reminded me of the first time I saw it in detail on this forum.
In Roger Dean's Views, a large-format art book, on pages 37-40 there is an aircar (actually it's described as a "spaceship" in the text) which is designed to closely resemble a flying beetle. It also has the huge bulbous "eye" windows on the front. Unfortunately (or fortunately, from the point of view of respecting artists' copyrights) I can't find an online image of that.
I'm not saying that either artist copied the other. Arguably, both of them "copied" a beetle. But the similarity is striking.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Apr 21, 2005 20:01:28 GMT
We'll soon now for sure what the JW/MT Fighting Machine was copied from. As soon as I get the Q&As back from Michael Trim, they will go online.
H_C
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Post by Xav on Apr 24, 2005 1:37:41 GMT
Tentacles...make my mind up, HC? It is because I was never impressed either with the length, number or appearance of the JW FM tentacles that I could not remember if it had any or just one or none at all. As it is, it seems to have one miserable appendage where as Wells made it clear that the FM had many ringing and rattling round its metallic body. The legs...In just about all of the FM art pics we have seen here, the legs have joints, muscles and clearly would have a fluid, insectile movement, not the stiff ministry-of-silly-walks that JW FM has. In my opinion, the most horrific, convincing and detailed pictures are the one on the cover of this LOEG comic or whatever it is. Makes JW FM look totally amateurish and wrong.
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Post by ClaytonForrester on Jul 24, 2005 20:40:21 GMT
Maybe they are a combination of things.For instance,the windows may be honey-combed glass-like material,but on the interior of the machine they might be connected to a visual relay of some sort allowing the Martian to see outside ;while in turn all of this is ultimately routed into the creatures brain via virtual-reality tech.The inner protective layer behind the honey-comb could easily be pierced post-mortem by hungry birds,thus supplying us with the Dead London imagery.Just a theory.
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Post by matzo on Jul 27, 2005 8:08:24 GMT
I think that there is a martian each eye, and one at the back so all the legs are controled by individual martians..
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 27, 2005 9:11:50 GMT
I think that there is a martian each eye, and one at the back so all the legs are controled by individual martians.. That'd be a nightmare! Martian 1: "Make your leg go forward." Martian 2: "No. You make your leg go forward!" Martian 1: "No, it's your bloody turn!" Martian 3: "Oi, what about my leg? It's just gone sideways!" Martians (all): "Bugger..." *Machines topples over*
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jul 27, 2005 17:57:37 GMT
If that's so .. who operates the third leg?
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 27, 2005 19:32:51 GMT
Martian 3.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jul 27, 2005 19:39:29 GMT
Aww crap.. I missed that! That'll teach me to read posts properly!
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 28, 2005 0:09:22 GMT
Mwah ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa...!!!
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Post by lanceradvanced on Jul 28, 2005 3:56:48 GMT
I think that there is a martian each eye, and one at the back so all the legs are controled by individual martians.. That'd be a nightmare! Martian 1: "Make your leg go forward." Martian 2: "No. You make your leg go forward!" Martian 1: "No, it's your bloody turn!" Martian 3: "Oi, what about my leg? It's just gone sideways!" Martians (all): "Bugger..." *Machines topples over* Makes the original Cylon Raiders seem efficient, don't it.. One of my bugaboos with the art for the Jeff Wayne album, is that it doesn't match the narration... "each carried a huge funnel, and I realized I'd seen this awful thing before..."
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jul 29, 2005 16:27:58 GMT
Well JW's machines do 'carry' a huge funnel. Yes, it's mounted on the main body of the machine, rather than carried in the traditional sense (ie. in a tentacle or whatever).. but it's still 'carried'.
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Post by lanceradvanced on Jul 29, 2005 19:05:50 GMT
Well JW's machines do 'carry' a huge funnel. Yes, it's mounted on the main body of the machine, rather than carried in the traditional sense (ie. in a tentacle or whatever).. but it's still 'carried'. I have a very hard time seriously calling the heatray projector on the JW tripods a "funnel"..
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Post by broton on Aug 1, 2005 9:40:06 GMT
Well JW's machines do 'carry' a huge funnel. Yes, it's mounted on the main body of the machine, rather than carried in the traditional sense (ie. in a tentacle or whatever).. but it's still 'carried'. Difficult to see how they would "flourish" it though... perhaps they should change the text.."it waggled the heat ray projector around a little bit, and the ghostly, terrible heat ray struck the town"
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