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Post by ArmoredTrackLayer on Feb 13, 2005 1:55:33 GMT
Oi, well I think I might have to ask to get this thread locked.
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Post by Cylinder on Feb 13, 2005 2:35:32 GMT
KILLJOY
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Post by themotile on Feb 13, 2005 5:20:56 GMT
Oi, well I think I might have to ask to get this thread locked. I think thats a bit over the top, threadlocking should be the last resort in all cases and to be honest this thread has maintained a level head compared to other forums. On the subject of LOTR, you can not change locations because middle earth plays such a big role in the books that you simply could not capture the essence of the story anywhere else and middle earth is not a real place. WOTW uses real places in unreal situations so you can move the place and time and its pretty much the same, LOTR isnt like that its the battle for middle earth, not the battle for Grimsby. I see what your all saying about the actual essence of the story being good against evil but to take LOTR from middle earth would be changing it to such a degree that it is a completely different story, thats not the case with WOTW, not by a long shot, its still alien invaders in tripods that drain human blood and red weed and heat rays and black smoke and the route of civilisation and the massacre of mankind, it still WOTW, its essence is intact.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 13, 2005 5:38:24 GMT
I see what your all saying about the actual essence of the story being good against evil but to take LOTR from middle earth would be changing it to such a degree that it is a completely different story, thats not the case with WOTW, not by a long shot bull. bull bull bull. now you are totally contradicting yourself. whats the message of WOTW? the folly of man? a warning about where we might be headed? whatever the message was, you can tell that story without martians or aliens at all, hell you could write an entirely new story and still get the same message across as the one wells intended, depending on the knowledge and creativity of the writer. same goes for LOTR. whats the message there? simply, the triumph of the weak against seemingly insurmountable odds. good defeats evil in the end. pretty simple eh? a lot like star wars? similar stories? similar messages? the POINT is that The War of the Worlds is a great book. now, this is the part i can't figure out, maybe i'm just stupid... why would i want to experience this great story, told in some other way, when its already perfect like it is? especially when there isn't even an accurate telling on the screen yet, it hasn't even had HOMAGE paid to it yet as a movie (hopefully pendragon will pull this off though, but SS could have done it so much better). why do people feel like they need to stick their big fat fingers in the paint and stir it up? WHY.
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Post by themotile on Feb 13, 2005 5:48:06 GMT
bull. bull bull bull. now you are totally contradicting yourself. whats the message of WOTW? the folly of man? a warning about where we might be headed? whatever the message was, you can tell that story without martians or aliens at all, hell you could write an entirely new story and still get the same message across as the one wells intended, depending on the knowledge and creativity of the writer. same goes for LOTR. whats the message there? simply, the triumph of the weak against seemingly insurmountable odds. good defeats evil in the end. pretty simple eh? a lot like star wars? similar stories? similar messages? the POINT is that The War of the Worlds is a great book. now, this is the part i can't figure out, maybe i'm just stupid... why would i want to experience this great story, told in some other way, when its already perfect like it is? especially when there isn't even an accurate telling on the screen yet, it hasn't even had HOMAGE paid to it yet as a movie (hopefully pendragon will pull this off though, but SS could have done it so much better). why do people feel like they need to stick their big fat fingers in the paint and stir it up? WHY. Wow you must like beef a lot. LOTR is good against evil, WOTW is anti imperilaism, if you wrote WOTW without aliens its not WOTW is it? So I dont get your point there. Nobody wants to re write the book malf, they just want to make something based on it, why not? Variation is the spice of life, its how the gene pool works, its how we evolve. The book may be perfect for us malf but I assure you it is not for others, are they wrong? Or do they just have a different opinion to you and I. I think everyone gets your point malf, no need to repeat yourself but like you say you will still go and see SS movie and you will enjoy it for the effects and maybe just maybe you will enjoy it as WOTW, you never know.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 13, 2005 14:55:19 GMT
yup i love me some beef but this 'spice' you're talking about is one that to me tastes like shat. all i ever wanted, for the past 25 years, was a kick ass, big budget, SFX laden, accurate version of WOTW on the big screen. well it looks like i'm not gonna get it maybe you understand why i'm so upset about this, 25 years is a long time to wait on a dream
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Post by themotile on Feb 13, 2005 18:22:18 GMT
yup i love me some beef but this 'spice' you're talking about is one that to me tastes like shat. all i ever wanted, for the past 25 years, was a kick ass, big budget, SFX laden, accurate version of WOTW on the big screen. well it looks like i'm not gonna get it maybe you understand why i'm so upset about this, 25 years is a long time to wait on a dream Wow, thats exactly how I felt about Pendragon right after the trailer, I vented it a bit strongly and ripped the movie apart for a couple of weeks but now I am sort of resigned to the fact that I cant change it so it doesnt bother me anymore. The Spielberg film is different, I had no expectations about it apart from it being a great movie, all my expectations were with PP and they blew it, so now I look forward to SS version as I am sure it will be a right good yarn.
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Post by maniacs on Feb 13, 2005 20:02:52 GMT
The book is perfect for fans. Others may not think it is. Theyve got ID4, invaders from mars, the thing or whatever. For us the love is WOTW. Nothing else will come along that competes.
To me if you think WOTW is not perfect your not a true fan. You just love Sc-fi.
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Post by Cylinder on Feb 13, 2005 20:21:41 GMT
the POINT is that The War of the Worlds is a great book. now, this is the part i can't figure out, maybe i'm just stupid... why would i want to experience this great story, told in some other way, when its already perfect like it is? . In that case why make any WOTW film then since simply by changing mediums the story is naturally changed? If the story is perfect as a book then you don't need to go a see it on screen then do you?
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 13, 2005 20:25:21 GMT
In that case why make any WOTW film then since simply by changing mediums the story is naturally changed? If the story is perfect as a book then you don't need to go a see it on screen then do you? sorry but thats the dumbest argument i've ever heard.
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Post by maniacs on Feb 13, 2005 20:27:26 GMT
In that case why make any WOTW film then since simply by changing mediums the story is naturally changed? If the story is perfect as a book then you don't need to go a see it on screen then do you? Come on, everyone wants to see a faithful adaptation of their fav book dont they!
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Post by Cylinder on Feb 13, 2005 20:47:30 GMT
sorry but thats the dumbest argument i've ever heard. Adaptations are as Adaptation do. Don't tell me that when that strumpet's top was falling off as her wrists were manacled to the molesting machine and when that streak of green whatever was hitting Big Ben's blandly rendered head you were thinking STONE ME THIS IS JUST LIKE I PICTURED IT IN MY HEAD.
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Post by Anthony on Feb 13, 2005 20:50:45 GMT
hahaha ;D He is right there Malf.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 13, 2005 21:13:29 GMT
no, thats not how i pictured it, but i've seen enough of the clips to know for a FACT that the hines version is going to represent the book very closely, word for word. special effects HAVE to be handled with creative liscense. i don't like the green bolts of electricity, but thats the ONLY gripe i have with the PP trailer, other than the obviously lower quality of the CG effects, which I have come to terms with and will accept with a grain of salt.
i remember going through both teaser trailers and being able to point at each little snippet of dialogue and say to myself "that was in the book!"
PP is not producing a perfect version. they are not producing what I would prefer to see, which is SS doing it by the book. but, its all I have to look forward to.
and arguing that since its a book, well it shouldn't be made into a movie, just to argue against me, well i still think that was stupid, and holds zero relevance. everybody wants to see books made into movies, and it is possible to to a book to movie conversion accurately to a large degree. all it takes is the will to do it.
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Post by themotile on Feb 14, 2005 11:35:26 GMT
Adaptations are as Adaptation do. Don't tell me that when that strumpet's top was falling off as her wrists were manacled to the molesting machine and when that streak of green whatever was hitting Big Ben's blandly rendered head you were thinking STONE ME THIS IS JUST LIKE I PICTURED IT IN MY HEAD. LOL ;D LMAO!
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Post by RustiSwordz on Feb 14, 2005 12:16:27 GMT
yup i love me some beef but this 'spice' you're talking about is one that to me tastes like shat. all i ever wanted, for the past 25 years, was a kick ass, big budget, SFX laden, accurate version of WOTW on the big screen. well it looks like i'm not gonna get it maybe you understand why i'm so upset about this, 25 years is a long time to wait on a dream Point is malf you can try to convince us that SS ia wrong or shat or whatever, but frankly i dont care. for me this is the film of the year and i will see it with a tub of popcorn and a big grin on my face...
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Post by themotile on Feb 14, 2005 12:29:40 GMT
Go Rusti go! ;D
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 14, 2005 14:07:38 GMT
Point is malf you can try to convince us that SS ia wrong or shat or whatever, but frankly i dont care. for me this is the film of the year and i will see it with a tub of popcorn and a big grin on my face... well if you don't care, why are you even posting anything? i'm obviously not trying to convince you since you don't care. other people care enough to have a debate about it so please, just ignore what i'm saying if you don't care.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Feb 14, 2005 14:44:06 GMT
No.
I was one of those people who threw his arms up in the air when they announced the 'remake' of Battlestsr Galactica.
Ooh sacriledge i screamed, heathens!
Turned out that the pilot episode was bloody brilliant, and the few episodes of the TV series ive seen were excellent. Gritty, well edited and shot. Good script and above average acting especially from the new Commander Adama, the ever excellent Edward James Olmos. Whos acting is almost insprational, you can beleve the character and his world.
It also occured to me that the old Galactioca would not have worked in this time. The attitudes today are far removed form those back in the early 80's. To film BS in the old style would be a mistake because people dont behave like that any more.
Its the same with the new Dr Who, changes will have to be made for the modern times.
And the same sits true for the PP version of WOTW. It just wouldnt look right to be filmed not only in an old setting but with old fashioned view point.
Won't work, but the story is excellent for moderniasing because of the parallels that are ocururing in the modern world..
Keep an open mind and not close it off, thats how man moves forward.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 15, 2005 1:58:22 GMT
that is the vaguest, most invented argument i've ever read, but whatever works for you dude
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