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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jul 29, 2006 19:21:32 GMT
I know Damian (cue shell shill allegations, I suppose) from my work on Jeff's site and I'm not aware of him ever posting here. I asked him for his thoughts on Hines' little diatribe but he thought them, in essence, 'not worth commenting on'. Btw, whilst I work closely with JWM in order to bring news to the fans which might otherwise not get to it directly, I do not get paid for this work (just as I don't get paid for working here) and I value the good relations I have cultivated with them. Anyone who wants to call me a shell shill because I work with Jeff and co for these reasons is welcome to do so... but only if they have the guts to name names rather than flinging vague and ridiculous allegations at the wider target of TWoTW fandom generally. Saying we are shells shills would indicate that we try to sway peoples opinions on a subject one way or another. We only try to bring what news we can to the fans. Tim had the chance to gain equally good relations with this site a while back but instead he and his merry gang threatened several of it's members with laughable legal action and generally poured scorn and general disinterest on our attempts to help him get news of his film out there. Talk about biting the hand that feeds... Now he wants us all to feel sorry for him?  It's just as well most sane people can see this for what it really is. |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jul 29, 2006 19:50:18 GMT
Not too mention saying things like - "My film is an epic with thousands of effects" and "if people think that we're making some straight to dvd thing then I think they will be stunned when they see what we have done" All along of course this was NEVER going to be anything other than straight to dvd stuff.
If Chrome is nearly finished as he says then the timing of this nonsense might suggest that he's trying to get publicity for that. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he used WOTW just to get publicity for his other cheapo films in the first place.
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Post by nervouspete on Jul 29, 2006 20:29:25 GMT
I've always been a great fan of the old Brit Comedy staple of 'repeat until funny', and once again McTodd provides a shining example of that.
My hat off to you sir.
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Post by Commandingtripod on Jul 30, 2006 2:53:56 GMT
If there is one thing I really hate about Timbo's web site (That Martian invader thing which I cannot remember which shows you just how much I do care) is that it's so one sided.
And the vote poll is probably rigged to.
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Post by Zoe on Jul 31, 2006 8:53:01 GMT
I read the Dark Horse cartoon recently and I was struck by similarities throughout. There were differences - the Martians did not look the same and there is a more realist slant in the Darkhorse version - for example the hero has a growth of beard consistent with the passing of several days. Some of it certainly was closer to the film than the novel - although whether this is coincidence it is hard to say. Americans are compulsively litigous so I'm not surprised that Hines feels he has to take action to protect. I'd probably do the same in his shoes - and if there's publicity to be gained that's an added bonus.  I cannot say I was too impressed by the Dark Horse strip. On the other hand I enjoyed the Pendragon version well enough to watch it several times. Friends I watched it with enjoyed it too. I think some of the fiercest critics of Pendragon should go on a course of anger management and try watching more varied films - not just special effects laden blockbusters - in order to develop their imagination - or maybe just get out more. The War of the Worlds was one of the books I read and enjoyed as a child. I was intrigued to hear that so many film versions were being made but I expected little - probably because I enjoyed the book so much. I read it again quite recently and it still comes first. In my assessment it is fairly closely followed by the George Pal version, then Pendragon, then the Spielberg (I haven't seen the Assylum version) and trailing way behind are things like Jeff Wayne's musical version and the cartoons and so on. This probably makes me public enemy number one on this site but then hey! This is all so last year now, guys. Isn't it time we all forgot about it? Zoe |
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Post by Rob on Jul 31, 2006 9:03:49 GMT
Zoe, I doubt it makes you public enemy number one. There are parts of the Pen film I like watching. We all have various opinions. This whole event seems so futile one year on.
Like everything that's happened this will just fade away... and to me seems like a bit publicity stunt to sell a few more copies of the film.
I just keep myself and the site as uninvolved as possible. The Pendragon film is in the past. Let it stay there...
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Post by RustiSwordz on Jul 31, 2006 10:58:13 GMT
Zoe, I doubt it makes you public enemy number one. There are parts of the Pen film I like watching. We all have various opinions. This whole event seems so futile one year on. Like everything that's happened this will just fade away... and to me seems like a bit publicity stunt to sell a few more copies of the film. I just keep myself and the site as uninvolved as possible. The Pendragon film is in the past. Let it stay there... why? timbo baiting is fun! |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jul 31, 2006 15:50:20 GMT
Zoe, I doubt it makes you public enemy number one. There are parts of the Pen film I like watching. We all have various opinions. This whole event seems so futile one year on. Like everything that's happened this will just fade away... and to me seems like a bit publicity stunt to sell a few more copies of the film. I just keep myself and the site as uninvolved as possible. The Pendragon film is in the past. Let it stay there... why? timbo baiting is fun! Nothin like a bit of Timbo and Tombo baiting! ;D |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jul 31, 2006 16:01:32 GMT
I read the Dark Horse cartoon recently and I was struck by similarities throughout. There were differences - the Martians did not look the same and there is a more realist slant in the Darkhorse version - for example the hero has a growth of beard consistent with the passing of several days. Some of it certainly was closer to the film than the novel - although whether this is coincidence it is hard to say. Americans are compulsively litigous so I'm not surprised that Hines feels he has to take action to protect. I'd probably do the same in his shoes - and if there's publicity to be gained that's an added bonus. I cannot say I was too impressed by the Dark Horse strip. On the other hand I enjoyed the Pendragon version well enough to watch it several times. Friends I watched it with enjoyed it too. I think some of the fiercest critics of Pendragon should go on a course of anger management and try watching more varied films - not just special effects laden blockbusters - in order to develop their imagination - or maybe just get out more. The War of the Worlds was one of the books I read and enjoyed as a child. I was intrigued to hear that so many film versions were being made but I expected little - probably because I enjoyed the book so much. I read it again quite recently and it still comes first. In my assessment it is fairly closely followed by the George Pal version, then Pendragon, then the Spielberg (I haven't seen the Assylum version) and trailing way behind are things like Jeff Wayne's musical version and the cartoons and so on. This probably makes me public enemy number one on this site but then hey! This is all so last year now, guys. Isn't it time we all forgot about it? Zoe Well I don't just watch special fx laden blockbusters and I think it's ever so slitghly patronising and pretentious to suggest that anyone who criticizes Pendragons film is some unimaginitive special effects obsessed geek who can only appreciate films that have the latest cgi. I like all sorts of different types of films. There are parts that are watchable in Pendragons film but the fact is that Hines made this film out to be something that it wasn't. If he had said that this film was going to be a very small budget and it was going to be an amateur film then people would have been more forgiving. The fact is WOTW is a story that should have the best of all worlds and that includes great special effects. And if I for one am so obsessed with special effects - then how come I've criticized Paramounts crummy film even more than Pendragons? |
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Post by Zoe on Jul 31, 2006 18:00:41 GMT
I read the Dark Horse cartoon recently and I was struck by similarities throughout. There were differences - the Martians did not look the same and there is a more realist slant in the Darkhorse version - for example the hero has a growth of beard consistent with the passing of several days. Some of it certainly was closer to the film than the novel - although whether this is coincidence it is hard to say. Americans are compulsively litigous so I'm not surprised that Hines feels he has to take action to protect. I'd probably do the same in his shoes - and if there's publicity to be gained that's an added bonus. I cannot say I was too impressed by the Dark Horse strip. On the other hand I enjoyed the Pendragon version well enough to watch it several times. Friends I watched it with enjoyed it too. I think some of the fiercest critics of Pendragon should go on a course of anger management and try watching more varied films - not just special effects laden blockbusters - in order to develop their imagination - or maybe just get out more. The War of the Worlds was one of the books I read and enjoyed as a child. I was intrigued to hear that so many film versions were being made but I expected little - probably because I enjoyed the book so much. I read it again quite recently and it still comes first. In my assessment it is fairly closely followed by the George Pal version, then Pendragon, then the Spielberg (I haven't seen the Assylum version) and trailing way behind are things like Jeff Wayne's musical version and the cartoons and so on. This probably makes me public enemy number one on this site but then hey! This is all so last year now, guys. Isn't it time we all forgot about it? Zoe Well I don't just watch special fx laden blockbusters and I think it's ever so slitghly patronising and pretentious to suggest that anyone who criticizes Pendragons film is some unimaginitive special effects obsessed geek who can only appreciate films that have the latest cgi. I like all sorts of different types of films. There are parts that are watchable in Pendragons film but the fact is that Hines made this film out to be something that it wasn't. If he had said that this film was going to be a very small budget and it was going to be an amateur film then people would have been more forgiving. The fact is WOTW is a story that should have the best of all worlds and that includes great special effects. And if I for one am so obsessed with special effects - then how come I've criticized Paramounts crummy film even more than Pendragons? Ah! A raw nerve! - Are you obsessed with special effects? I make a general observatiom and you take it personally. I did not say 'anyone who criticizes Pendragons film is some unimaginitive special effects obsessed geek who can only appreciate films that have the latest cgi. ' - that's your wording. I was saying that it seemed to me that some of the people who go to extremes of criticism maybe ought to count to ten or get out more. You've just proven my point. Thank you. ;D And how dare you call me pretentious? You know nothing about me and yet you call me pretentious! Pretentious yourself! And think of me as patronising only if you are the kind of person who likes casting himself as a victim. So now we're even. You've called me names and I've called you back. Happy now? ;D Zoe |
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 31, 2006 19:25:51 GMT
I think some of the fiercest critics of Pendragon should go on a course of anger management and try watching more varied films - not just special effects laden blockbusters - in order to develop their imagination - or maybe just get out more. Ah! A raw nerve! - Are you obsessed with special effects? I make a general observatiom and you take it personally... And how dare you call me pretentious? You know nothing about me and yet you call me pretentious! Pretentious yourself! And think of me as patronising only if you are the kind of person who likes casting himself as a victim. Talk about disingenuous! By putting in the qualifying statement 'some of the fiercest critics' it's fairly obvious you really mean 'anyone who disagrees with me' but don't want to seem intolerant. And while no-one here knows you personally, we can only form an opinion of you from what you write - which was patronising and pretentious. But don't worry - I've put in a couple of emoticons to show that I don't mean it! Which is rather like the bully who complains when someone retaliates, 'But I was only joking!' |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jul 31, 2006 19:31:55 GMT
Well I don't just watch special fx laden blockbusters and I think it's ever so slitghly patronising and pretentious to suggest that anyone who criticizes Pendragons film is some unimaginitive special effects obsessed geek who can only appreciate films that have the latest cgi. I like all sorts of different types of films. There are parts that are watchable in Pendragons film but the fact is that Hines made this film out to be something that it wasn't. If he had said that this film was going to be a very small budget and it was going to be an amateur film then people would have been more forgiving. The fact is WOTW is a story that should have the best of all worlds and that includes great special effects. And if I for one am so obsessed with special effects - then how come I've criticized Paramounts crummy film even more than Pendragons? Ah! A raw nerve! - Are you obsessed with special effects? I make a general observatiom and you take it personally. I did not say 'anyone who criticizes Pendragons film is some unimaginitive special effects obsessed geek who can only appreciate films that have the latest cgi. ' - that's your wording. I was saying that it seemed to me that some of the people who go to extremes of criticism maybe ought to count to ten or get out more. You've just proven my point. Thank you. ;D And how dare you call me pretentious? You know nothing about me and yet you call me pretentious! Pretentious yourself! And think of me as patronising only if you are the kind of person who likes casting himself as a victim. So now we're even. You've called me names and I've called you back. Happy now? ;D Zoe Take a deep breath Zoe - relax and count to ten slowly - that's it.................beautiful. I'm sorry I called you names - I am completely pretentious, a victim and you really hit a raw nerve there as you're right - I'm obsessed with special effects. Steven Spielbergs film is brilliant because it has the most remarkable special effects and that's all that really matters. HG Wells book is rubbish because there's no decent special effects in it. Pendragons film is rubbish too because the special effects in that are Thistle Theatre cheapo [ straight out of Noddy land ] and that's all that matters is sfx, sfx, sfx, sfx and a bit more sfx - even though the film would have been a masterpiece if it wasn't for the fx. A great big moustache twitching epic with the next Al Pacino who spent months in ditches, eating raw gravel - raw gravel I tell ya! - trying to emulate the narrator in a method acting type sort of way. I'm so happy now! |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jul 31, 2006 20:09:00 GMT
I think some of the fiercest critics of Pendragon should go on a course of anger management and try watching more varied films - not just special effects laden blockbusters - in order to develop their imagination - or maybe just get out more. Ah! A raw nerve! - Are you obsessed with special effects? I make a general observatiom and you take it personally... And how dare you call me pretentious? You know nothing about me and yet you call me pretentious! Pretentious yourself! And think of me as patronising only if you are the kind of person who likes casting himself as a victim. Talk about disingenuous! By putting in the qualifying statement 'some of the fiercest critics' it's fairly obvious you really mean 'anyone who disagrees with me' but don't want to seem intolerant. And while no-one here knows you personally, we can only form an opinion of you from what you write - which was patronising and pretentious. But don't worry - I've put in a couple of emoticons to show that I don't mean it! Which is rather like the bully who complains when someone retaliates, 'But I was only joking!' We luv you Zoe ;D And a great BIG toilet roll tripod and amateur dramatics  to you for the rest of eternity [ and a plasticine Big Ben ]. |
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Post by Zoe on Jul 31, 2006 22:00:32 GMT
Talk about disingenuous! By putting in the qualifying statement 'some of the fiercest critics' it's fairly obvious you really mean 'anyone who disagrees with me' but don't want to seem intolerant. And while no-one here knows you personally, we can only form an opinion of you from what you write - which was patronising and pretentious. But don't worry - I've put in a couple of emoticons to show that I don't mean it! Which is rather like the bully who complains when someone retaliates, 'But I was only joking!' We luv you Zoe ;D And a great BIG toilet roll tripod and amateur dramatics to you for the rest of eternity [ and a plasticine Big Ben ]. So oK you win if it matters so much to you! Jeez! Z |
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Post by Lensman on Aug 1, 2006 18:02:20 GMT
The Pendragon film is in the past. Let it stay there... But then what would we have to pointlessly argue talk about? ;D [Edit: The above comment was made *before* I read the outraged responses to Zoe's comment... I had no idea how right I was!] |
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Post by Marcus on Aug 1, 2006 22:13:23 GMT
To be fair Zoe, if you wanted to snap at those who replied to your post... and when resine yourself away from coversation like we'd attacked you... why did you post?
Personally I believe that Hines has gone to far. Not only as he attacked the fans that he dissapointed, but he is now attacking (legally) two of The War of the Worlds largest fans, who have been writing and illustrating fiction based on the book for longer than his film has existed, and who have given fans VERY loyal and VERY intriguing sequels.
I don't view this as an attack on Dark Horse, but rather on the immense talent of writer Ian Edginton and artist D'Israeli... two of our own.
And for that, I'm afraid there is no respite for Hines this time.
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Post by Marcus on Aug 1, 2006 22:15:16 GMT
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Post by Zoe on Aug 2, 2006 12:45:00 GMT
To be fair Zoe, if you wanted to snap at those who replied to your post... and when resine yourself away from coversation like we'd attacked you... why did you post?] Why? OK. You get your wish. I'm out of this pissing-contest. So long and thanks for all the fish everyone. Zoe |
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Post by richardburton on Aug 2, 2006 15:52:40 GMT
I think I'll brew a nice cup of tea for everyone in here. Milk? Sugar? I'll dig out some chocolate hob nobs too  I think Hines has got quite a few people hot under the collar with his attack on Dark Horse. It's been discussed now, so let's just let this topic drop into Poe's Pit, along hopefully with Hines' silly legal action. |
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Post by the Donal on Aug 2, 2006 17:29:38 GMT
dear tim hines,
i am very impressed by your continued attempts at guerilla marketing by directly comparing other more successful artists and publishers to not only get more attention to yourself but also to your work once again you have simultanueously drawn attention to your own failings and managed to turn your potential audience against you not to mention the increasing apparence of the size of your paranoia
i look forward to seeing your next outburst with crosseyed glee
not yours
confused of surrey
There's nothing like Tim Hines popping his head out of the clouds every now and again to turn the fans against each other or enflame their ongoing disagreements. Come on people- push those ego's aside and realise that it doesn't really matter- all matter is simply energy vibrating at difference frequencies- life is really just a dream and we are all different parts of the same consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.
Here's Tom with the Weather!
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