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Post by Lensman on Mar 29, 2005 6:26:08 GMT
Flynn: Hey I hope you're reading this thread. I really loved that pic you did of "Me and Mottie" dancing! Very clever, very creative! I really enjoy a lot of the "fan pics" that people post to this forum. And I'm puzzled that they so often seem to spark negative comments which get threads shut down-- I love to see that people are willing to take the time and effort to entertain us! And hey, Flynn, thanx for showing me as such a hunk! Sorry I couldn't reply on that thread, as it was shut down. (If anyone wants to see what I'm talking about, it's on page 3 of the thread "Pendragon Press Release - March 25th 2005". There are two threads with similar titles-- this one has only 3 pages; the other has 6.)
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Post by Lensman on Mar 29, 2005 7:25:37 GMT
The knee jerk reaction to 911 and the tsunami. Maybe this is a British/ Yank thing but i dont see the point of suspending your project to protect a few bleeding hearts. This might indeed be difficult for someone not a Yank to understand. Frankly, speaking as a Yank myself, I think our government greatly overreacted to the attack. However, there's no denying that had a huge impact on the American psyche. I know Europeans have had to deal with terrorism for decades now. We here on this side of the "pond" have been lucky until just recently. Some of us knew a terrorist attack was inevitable, but the average "person on the street" has an amazing ability to ignore problems until it's too late. Even if Hines was willing to continue after 9/11, he has to answer to others including his backers. I can certainly understand why he didn't want to continue. Other film makers who had films set in New York City were having the Twin Towers digitally removed so as not to offend the audiences! That's a good measure of what the political climate was here shortly after 9/11. Anyway, aren't you glad the earlier production was stopped? I certainly am. We're now getting a period production-- isn't that what everyone on this Pendragon board wants? I presume so, otherwise why participate in this forum? I wish PP would step aside and let someone with a bit of experience turn this story into a decent mini series or movie. Now they have made this film and now no one will touch it. A life dream for me flushed down the toilet. Thanks guys. Rusti, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I confess, tho, I don't understand it. I've had the experience of being vastly disappointed in a similar circumstance, by the film "Doc Savage" (1975). In the Marvel Comics fan press, the film makers promised it would be a "straight" version, yet it turned out to be a camp turkey. So I am fearful that Pendragon's effort could be equally as bad. What I do NOT understand is why you seem to be completely certain that it will be. Look at Peter Jackson's career-- what did he ever do that was worth watching before LOTR? Certainly there have been good low-budget productions of classic SF novels-- the PBS production of Ursula K. Leguin's "The Lathe of Heaven" is a good example. And even if for some reason you're convinced-- without any real evidence-- that it will be a horrid turkey, why do you seem to be so determined to convince the rest of us that we shouldn't wait to see the film before making up our minds? I hope you don't think I'm belittling what you're saying. Everyone has just as much right to an opinion (so long as it's an informed opinion) as anyone else. I'm just honestly trying to understand where you're coming from.
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Post by Lensman on Mar 29, 2005 7:35:43 GMT
Why should Hines's 'right' to make the WotW be defended? Why does it *need* to be defended? Doesn't an artist have the right to make anything he wants? (I don't like it when they are given tax money-- but that's different.) I think better questions are: Why do some in this forum seem to think they somehow "own" WotW just because they are a fan? And why do they seem to think that somehow Hines doesn't have a "right" to do the film if he's not doing it the way they want? You don't like Hines' version? Fine, then go out and raise your own money and make your own. And many on this forum will sit in judgement of it and tear it to pieces before you ever release it-- just as is being done with Hines' version.
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Post by Lensman on Mar 29, 2005 7:37:46 GMT
Let's be realistic here. Supporting or not supporting the Hines project amounts to the few words we post on this board. That really has no impact on the course of the actual movie project. The Pendragon film will be completed and be released at some point and then we can decide whether we like it or not. What I do find questionable is the assumption that if the project were in the hands of one more experienced and with unlimited funds at his disposal, then the resulting movie would inevitably be a masterpiece. As I pointed out in another thread, you need only to look back three years ago at DreamWorks' adaptation of The Time Machine: Major cash, fine talent, major disappointment. Hear, hear! Bravo!
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Post by Lensman on Mar 29, 2005 7:40:29 GMT
Is it not more logical to judge Mr Spielbergs film based on its own merrits rather than right it off because its not the project you may have wanted him to make? Yes. Now substitute the word "Hines" for the word "Spielberg" in your statement, and it's just as true.
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Post by Lensman on Mar 29, 2005 7:47:28 GMT
It is the dishonestly I detest. If this guy had said 'Hey, were onyl 20 people - we got zero money and well there is a chance - BOY WOULD WE BE RALLYING AROUND HIM!!! " If he said that, then it would be a fan film, not anything which had any hope of making money. People get all caught up talking about the art of film making. Don't forget, people-- movies are first and foremost a business, and the purpose of a business is to make money. Artistry comes second. Those who forget that have films that only play at film festivals. If Hines had did what many here have suggested-- asking us fans for help-- he never would have been taken seriously by either investors or the industry. I think Hines knows better than to take our "advice".
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Post by Lensman on Mar 29, 2005 7:54:02 GMT
This book should be treated with the same respect as LOTRINGS and only the best talent and film making techniques should do for this. Are you, perhaps, unaware of the previous cartoon versions of LOTR? That's a good example of how horrid versions of classic stories do *not* stop someone from making a great version. Again, many of you are ignoring the fact that it's the *Paramount* version which will very likely prevent any future version of WotW from being filmed for at least 20 years-- not the Pendragon version, which likely will be nothing but a footnote to the Paramount version. If Pendragon's version is never released, it won't change that one single bit.
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Post by HTT on Mar 29, 2005 9:04:00 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Going back to RSs original post - I find it hard to disagree with some of his points. However, I can't see them as a reason not to support Pendragon.
What RS wants, is a pure adaptaion, faithful to the book and locations, top-notch FX, big stars, etc. Whilst we can all sympathise with that, the likelyhood of it being done professionally are slim. That's why SS has taken the route he has.
Now, I know RS had a bit of a shock after the SS trailer, and renounced it somewhat. However, I can see what SS is doing, and see how the book is being reflected in modern times. If SS had been faithful - how would it have been received? Bear in mind the majority of the audience will be American, and wouldn't care about an alien invasion aound the suburbs of one small city in the 51st state.
You need to support Pendragon purely on the basis of getting the movie on screen. You're only other chance is to wait for someone to make the film you want - and make it appeal to a global audience. If you aren't happy: Let he who is without film cast the first actor - IE form a film company and make it yourself.
Another idea: Why don't the members of WOTWOnline combine our efforts and make our OWN movie? Obviously it would have to be a fan film for no profit, but at least everyone could contribute, and everyone would be happy...[/glow]
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Post by Rob on Mar 29, 2005 9:09:07 GMT
That is a good idea, but sadly impossible
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Post by Gerkinman on Mar 29, 2005 10:03:48 GMT
some of us are alreaqdy making the movie to satisfy our needs ;D
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Post by the Donal on Mar 29, 2005 12:56:14 GMT
I think the cartoon version of Lord Of The Rings is very good- I grew up with this (but am not blinkered by nostalgia-goggles). It's just a shame that it wasn't finished. Great cast, insteresting visual style and good music.
I'm neither for or against Pendragon- I'll just see what happens. I really can't be fussed with getting worked up over it. Life is too short and there are many more important things to worry about.
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Post by Rob on Mar 29, 2005 13:23:35 GMT
Life is too short and there are many more important things to worry about. very very true.
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Post by timeship2 on Mar 29, 2005 13:55:53 GMT
Yeah, you just don't want to see my acting ability... Of course as I have never acted in anything, there is the remote possibility that I could still be the next hidden Marlon Brando, but something tells me otherwise... ;D
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 29, 2005 17:34:36 GMT
Donal you should check out The Record of Lodoss War...it's LOTR 'anime style' in bucketfulls...you'd almost swear PJ watched this...
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