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Post by Lensman on Feb 15, 2005 7:13:34 GMT
It's such an obviously staged publicity shot, I think you're probably right that what's on that screen was not the current, finished CG model of the ThunderChild. It may have been the TC, but I'd guess they'd put up an early model (and obviously without texture and bump shaders) so as not to 'give away' the final product. Of course it's an unfinished shot. Look at any "making of" documentaries on CGI work -- the Lord of the Rings "Extended Version" DVDs have some great stuff in the "appendixes" -- and you'll see similar monochrome (gray) polygon renderings. Finished shots would show texture, color and lighting. And almost certainly more details than what's shown on the screen, such as people in the shot. I found your speculation that it's a staged publicity shot to be intriguing. This certainly makes more sense -- Even with a very small studio with all effects "in house" it's hard to believe they'd be doing modeling in the same room as computer rendering. Modeling involves paint spraying, filming them involves adding smoke... which is VERY bad for computers. Computer servers need good climate control, which modeling rooms don't. I'm sure others in this forum can come up with other reasons why model building/filming and computer rendering don't "play well together." And yes, I'm sure Pendragon wants us fans to have to *pay* to see the Martian Tripods and the Thunder Child. Just like Lucas wants us to pay to see the FX for the Star Wars films... not releasing them in advance helps create a desire to see the films!
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Post by Topaz on Feb 15, 2005 7:45:19 GMT
I found your speculation that it's a staged publicity shot to be intriguing. This certainly makes more sense -- Even with a very small studio with all effects "in house" it's hard to believe they'd be doing modeling in the same room as computer rendering. Modeling involves paint spraying, filming them involves adding smoke... which is VERY bad for computers. Computer servers need good climate control, which modeling rooms don't. ... Agreed on all points. I certainly wouldn't want MY computers anywhere NEAR the model shop! Look at those bags of cement (or plaster) holding down the light tower! Imagine the dust from those! Part of the give-away about it being staged - aside from your good points above - is having the actor 'looking over' the project while they're conveniently setting up the 'ruined house' model in the background. (And touching the mouse! Somebody get the actor away from the mouse!!! ;D) By the time they're at that stage, the actors have done their bit and are off to the next project, except for the occasional fill-in shot for missing pieces needed for CGI they've added after the post-production begins. And those would be done on location or the soundstage, not in the effects studio. Even green-screen shots would need a bigger stage than what we see here, if they're shooting people. No room to move around. Pulling them back in for some publicity photos though... Quite another matter. Of course it's an unfinished shot. Look at any "making of" documentaries on CGI work -- the Lord of the Rings "Extended Version" DVDs have some great stuff in the "appendixes" -- and you'll see similar monochrome (gray) polygon renderings. Finished shots would show texture, color and lighting. And almost certainly more details than what's shown on the screen, such as people in the shot. Good point. And I'd be pretty amazed if that's even the finished state of the geometry, as well. Why give away the 'goods' without us paying for a ticket, as you say? ;D
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Post by themotile on Feb 15, 2005 18:37:02 GMT
Re Motile: He's just a troll. Why else would anyone who claims to hate the subject of these threads so intensely, spend so much time posting here? What trolls want is to upset people and get them to respond to their rants. If we can all just ignore him, he'll eventually go away. I know that will be hard, but that's the only real solution unless someone in authority is willing to ban him. BOO! (thats my scary troll impression by the way) Its ace you know, ive never called anybody here anything, never, ive never attacked anybody personaly either, I just debate until someone falls out of their pram (thats you lensman LOL ;D) looking for their dummy because suddenly theres somebody going against the grain and actualy speaking against this project, its heracy I tell you!! LOL ;D Lensman to call for someone to be ignored and even banned as well as calling them a troll (I didnt mind that troll thing actualy, I thought it was funny ) is just bad taste, im not going to call you names back though as you made me laugh, so thanks for that. Trying to devide the forum up into groups is pathetic.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Feb 15, 2005 19:08:01 GMT
OK, OK. A word or two to all. How many times do I have to do this? I'm tired of seeing people winding each other up over this movie. From now on I will be speaking to people who do so. I still feel that debate about this movie is valid and I certainly don't want to close down any more threads but I am warning everyone that this pointless confrontational approach to these debates has to stop. No one is going to wind anyone else up over their opinions. You don't have to agree with other's ideas and you are welcome to put forth your views but everyone has their own opinion and it is every bit as valid as yours. Some of us need to keep the tempers and sarcasm in check. I don't want to see anyone else getting ragged for the way they think, whichever camp they place themselves in. If you don't have a valid point on the issue at hand to make, say nothing at all.
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Post by theheatray on Feb 16, 2005 3:15:47 GMT
Erm....back to the topic at hand?
I have been studying the picture in question, I took a long hard look and came to the conclusion that something was not right.
I for one would not keep my computer in that green room with those model makers, no way, im still paying for it!
Is it just me or does it seem staged or false in any way to anyone else? It may be for real but if it is they need some advise on where to keep their computer equipment.
If its not why would they stage a photo? Seems odd to me.
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Post by thed0ct0r on Feb 16, 2005 3:25:23 GMT
Well after they staged the 'Messages from the Cast' I'm not surprised of anything anymore. They are NOT British actors. My friends are constanly having fun (or poking fun) with lines such as "I'll see you in thee-a-ters on moch 30th two-thousand and five"(it's funnier with their fake British accents - really!) I want this project to succeed so badly but after seeing that trailer I'd almost be glad it even gets finished.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 16, 2005 3:31:59 GMT
hmmm... well, i'm not british, but i didn't hear anything wrong with their accents. accents are easy to fake... mel gibson and nicole kidman fake an american accent quite well. so does sam neil. keanu reeves on the other hand... now THATS a horrible british accent
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Post by theheatray on Feb 16, 2005 3:45:16 GMT
Put Keanu Reeves in a black coat and shades and get him to swing about on wires and hes fine, get him to actualy act and uh oh, he stinks!
The cast messages were pretty bad but they didnt have much to do with the actual film if you get what I mean, yeah they were about the film but thats it. I dont think it was the right decision to release that to be honest but then im not in the driving seat.
I know it caused a few laughs in the office when my fellow drones watched it, that was a bit disconcerting as I wanted to show it off a bit. No where near as bad as the reaction to the actual trailer though, it was worth its weight in gold in comedy value, I wasnt amused I can tell you.
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Post by Gerkinman on Feb 16, 2005 11:23:32 GMT
keanu reeves is horrible in all aspects.
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Post by I own a cylinder on Feb 16, 2005 11:55:42 GMT
Erm....back to the topic at hand? I have been studying the picture in question, I took a long hard look and came to the conclusion that something was not right. I for one would not keep my computer in that green room with those model makers, no way, im still paying for it! Is it just me or does it seem staged or false in any way to anyone else? It may be for real but if it is they need some advise on where to keep their computer equipment. If its not why would they stage a photo? Seems odd to me. This could be a case for Mulder and Sculley.
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Post by thed0ct0r on Feb 16, 2005 12:16:03 GMT
hmmm... well, i'm not british, but i didn't hear anything wrong with their accents. accents are easy to fake... mel gibson and nicole kidman fake an american accent quite well. so does sam neil. keanu reeves on the other hand... now THATS a horrible british accent
It's not that they aren't British actors thats got under my skin. It's that they're trying to pass themselves off as British actors (as if that will lend more weight and authticity to the movie).
Comparable to false advertising if you ask me (I know - you didn't!) ;D
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Post by theheatray on Feb 16, 2005 13:49:53 GMT
hmmm... well, i'm not british, but i didn't hear anything wrong with their accents. accents are easy to fake... mel gibson and nicole kidman fake an american accent quite well. so does sam neil. keanu reeves on the other hand... now THATS a horrible british accent It's not that they aren't British actors thats got under my skin. It's that they're trying to pass themselves off as British actors (as if that will lend more weight and authticity to the movie). Comparable to false advertising if you ask me (I know - you didn't!) ;D Thats an interesting point you make D0ct0r, wonder why they did that?
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Post by themotile on Feb 16, 2005 17:50:37 GMT
Erm....back to the topic at hand? I have been studying the picture in question, I took a long hard look and came to the conclusion that something was not right. I for one would not keep my computer in that green room with those model makers, no way, im still paying for it! Is it just me or does it seem staged or false in any way to anyone else? It may be for real but if it is they need some advise on where to keep their computer equipment. If its not why would they stage a photo? Seems odd to me. They all look like students, in which case there may be no collective experience, which would explain shoddy FX
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Post by Gnorn on Feb 19, 2005 0:31:22 GMT
The visual effects supervisor for WotW is Karl Cottle, who also supervised the FX on Chrome. What I've seen from the trailer, those FX where awesome. So Pendragon must have some experience under their wings.
-Gnorn
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Post by themotile on Feb 19, 2005 11:57:48 GMT
The visual effects supervisor for WotW is Karl Cottle, who also supervised the FX on Chrome. What I've seen from the trailer, those FX where awesome. So Pendragon must have some experience under their wings. -Gnorn Yes I agree with Gnorn, they have no excuses for shoddy second rate FX.
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Post by maniacs on Feb 19, 2005 14:00:53 GMT
They all look like students, in which case there may be no collective experience, which would explain shoddy FX Didnt Goerge Lucas make the Star Wars effect with British students?
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Post by themotile on Feb 19, 2005 17:31:09 GMT
Didnt Goerge Lucas make the Star Wars effect with British students? I was in no way saying things as fact but I was trying to put forth reasons why the production "looks" so utterly bad. If it wasnt lack of experiance then its lack of talent.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 19, 2005 18:06:10 GMT
Don't you mean the trailer? You'll recall that we haven't seen the actual production yet.
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Post by themotile on Feb 19, 2005 21:14:04 GMT
Don't you mean the trailer? You'll recall that we haven't seen the actual production yet. No I mean what I say, up to now the PRODUCTION looks bloody awful, the reason for this is PP havent given us anything to the contrary.
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Post by Cylinder on Feb 19, 2005 22:26:13 GMT
Didnt Goerge Lucas make the Star Wars effect with British students? ;D Errr, no. They were Californian hippies.
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