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Post by themotile on Feb 6, 2005 6:21:11 GMT
Ok it seems to me Hines has fibbed about his budget, to be honest that would be cool as it would explain a lot and it would make the terrable FX forgivable, if he had say...5 million to play with instantly the whole thing comes into perspective.
So we would ask a couple of things of Mr Hines.
(1) What is the real budget and why did you fib to your loyal fans? (if you have told the truth and the budget was 43/28 million wheres it all gone?)
(2) Show said loyal fans more stuff, they deserve it. If you cant, why cant you?
(3) What is the realistic release date and where is it being released?
(4) Why did you release the official theatrical trailer with unfinished shoddy and below standard SFX?
Dear Mr Hines,
The resolve of your most loyal die hard fans is crumbling under the weight of the tripe being released by your self. I suggest you try being truthful with your fans and start showing them you are as capable as they have been led to believe. You wont be cast aside for having a low budget but rather applauded for trying! The fanbase would set their standards accordingly and all would be forgiven.
Sincerely yours
An ex fan.
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Post by David Faltskog on Feb 6, 2005 11:30:02 GMT
Jeez, we get the point Motile. D.F.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Feb 6, 2005 11:40:14 GMT
Will someone PLEASE nudge the record as it appears to be stuck ;D
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Post by David Faltskog on Feb 6, 2005 12:01:41 GMT
...Or smash the feckking thing to pieces. D.F.
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Post by themotile on Feb 6, 2005 12:37:08 GMT
Hay ho
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Feb 6, 2005 13:14:22 GMT
YET MORE PEARLS OF WISDOM... am, I missing something here ...are you not keen on this project then motile?? ...No ho sorry didn't know that., couldn't tell
ho hum..... It's like bombing around the m25 ...you start off, hit delays, get held up in jams, but ultimately end up back were you started..ready to do it all again ...but just getting a little more pi$$ed off each time you have to do it...
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 6, 2005 15:22:24 GMT
You wont be cast aside for having a low budget but rather applauded for trying! The fanbase would set their standards accordingly and all would be forgiven. i SERIOUSLY doubt you meant that. that doesn't mean its not true, because i have lowered my expectations based on the trailer (as have, i think, most of us here who are still excited about the movie), which i think everybody knows who isn't completely delusional, is not hollywood standard. i have somehow managed to keep my optimism about the movie, because i am blessed with the uncanny wisdom of knowing that sfx aren't everything. call me wierd but there you have it
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Post by themotile on Feb 6, 2005 15:50:32 GMT
TOMOHAWK: Sod off dude your getting on my nerves.
What do you do hang around waiting for me to post so you can jump on it like some small child?
Malf: I do mean it yes, it would make a lot more sense and therefore it would earn more respect, less budget means more effort. At the moment nothing we have seen so far indicates the budget anounced by Hines. You say you have lowered your standards but wouldnt it be more forgivable if there was a reason behind it? Malf, no need to make sly comments, you KNOW im not just talking about the FX so dont imply stuff you know not to be true, your more inteligent than that, unlike others...
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 6, 2005 15:56:59 GMT
Malf: I do mean it yes, it would make a lot more sense and therefore it would earn more respect, less budget means more effort. At the moment nothing we have seen so far indicates the budget anounced by Hines. You say you have lowered your standards but wouldnt it be more forgivable if there was a reason behind it? Malf, no need to make sly comments, you KNOW im not just talking about the FX so dont imply stuff you know not to be true, your more inteligent than that, unlike others... yes, it would make more sense if we knew every single detail behind Hines' project, but we don't... i personally don't know what can be done with 28 mil, what kinds of expenses he has to deal with, how much it costs to shoot on location in england, legal fees, etc. are you an expert on this? all you have to base your claims on is what hollywood has made. tim hines is not hollywood. ok, so what if it turns out that he only has 5 mil? the end product is going to be the result of the budget and work put into it. i really don't give 2 flips as long as the movie is released and it isn't a steaming pile. so far, based on the footage and photos i've seen, it will NOT be a steaming pile. it will not be Hollywood by any means either.
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Post by themotile on Feb 6, 2005 16:16:30 GMT
Your talking like 28 million isnt a lot of money, when you havent got any stars to pay for and you havent spent any money in advertising and your doing the editing yourself 28 million is loads of money.
Dont twist my comments about budget into an argument either im getting sick of it. Im trying to rationalise the stuff weve seen so far, almost giving them an excuse in my own little way.
Do a search of cinemas in the US, go on, you wont find this film anywhere, its out next month!
I cant be arsed anymore, im locking horns with people I would rather be allied with. March 30th is on its way.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 6, 2005 16:19:07 GMT
what? nobody... at least I'm not twisting your comments, i'm asking you a question that you're avoiding. everybody knows 28 mil is a lot of money, but what kind of practical experience do you, motile, have applying money to a big budget film? or any film for that matter?
anywho, since you won't be arsed anymore (whatever that means) thats cool, its ok to just admit you don't know though
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Post by themotile on Feb 6, 2005 16:27:11 GMT
Gee your a funny guy malf, you should do stand up.
I compare other low budget flicks, the whole thing not just the effects, stuff like the advertising camaign and trailers and proffesionalism.
Not that it matters as your going to disagree with me because you getting a buzz from flaming the guy with the different point of view, and you have good old flamable Tomohawk backing you up with non sensicle rants, trying to defend the indefendable with silly little comments and personal jibes.
I cant be that good at nitpicking or else I would have nitpicked whatever good points are in those PP trailers, either that or there are none.
And what the hell is a smack talker?
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 6, 2005 16:32:36 GMT
whatever dude, if you think this is flaming, then you've lived a sheltered life.
its hard to be one of the few people with a certain point of view in a hostile forum... you seem like you're really getting your panties in a wad here because you can't answer a simple question though.
sheesh.
and again. please refrain from mentioning me and tomahawk as being even remotely similar.
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Feb 6, 2005 16:44:16 GMT
Hey Malf ..Could you expand your comments on me ie Don't mention me and Tomahawk being remotely similar"
Err What is tha supposed to mean!!
Motile ...All you have done is slag AGAIN and not posted anything which has made ANY sense ....Again.....
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Post by themotile on Feb 6, 2005 16:59:01 GMT
You know its funny, I find myself typing words in here I would never use in real life, like 'dude' and sheesh, I even typed 'blimey' once.
Yes ofcourse your right, apart from the 'shushing motile theme' of your posts you have NOTHING in common with TOMOHAWK, your posts are at least inteligent.
On the subject of what we know about movies (seens as you realy realy want this question answered) I can say with all honesty that im not a movie maker, never will be, im a 2D freelance artist I also work a 5 shift rota at a chemical plant, that pays my mortgage, it pays more than the freelance work so to give it up would be folly. So I know pretty much zero about costing a movie, I am however a movie nerd, I love em, as do we all in here I think. I cant help but to look at other sci-fi flicks of the same budget like 'invasion' and 'body snatchers' which all had stars and SFX but they all had a certain quality about them, even if they did just end up on the sci'fi channel. The argument can go the other way, as you didnt cost this film either you cant defend it not knowing the out goings yourself.
Now, whats a smack talker?
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Feb 6, 2005 16:59:12 GMT
Oh yes I know ...anybody who doesn't agree with Mal's form of constructive disagreement deserves to be IGNORED ... I have been standing up for this film all along ... Yet I should be ignored.... jeez
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Feb 6, 2005 17:01:15 GMT
motile - I am outa here ...I give up , this sucks big style....
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Post by themotile on Feb 6, 2005 17:02:44 GMT
Hey Malf ..Could you expand your comments on me ie Don't mention me and Tomahawk being remotely similar" Err What is tha supposed to mean!! Motile ...All you have done is slag AGAIN and not posted anything which has made ANY sense ....Again..... Dont be so touchy Tomohawk From a guy who reads muppets books im not surprised you dont understand my posts......again LOL ;D
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 6, 2005 17:07:37 GMT
yeah the argument can go the other way, but i never professed to knowing anything about how a movie should look based upon an arbitrary budget... whether its 48 mil, 28 mil, or 5 mil. see the difference? shushing motile... ok i asked you to carry your 'smack talking' arse to the other 2 movie forums once. please, feel free to ignore that advice, as i see you already have but that has HARDLY been the theme of my exchange with you on these forums. and pointing out that you have a chip on your shoulder... maybe you in actuality DON'T, but well, it sure seems that way, based on you tearing the hines project a new a-hole with every post
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Post by themotile on Feb 6, 2005 17:14:41 GMT
Actualy I did try and start some talk with out ripping PP in any way but it was always twisted, so I simply carried on taking apart the evidence in front of me in light of the lack of other PP conversation.
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