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Post by Golden on Jan 27, 2005 10:25:18 GMT
Hi Guys, I'm not that big a WW fan (don't stone me) and came across this site by accident. I'm very interested in that test sequence, does anyone know anything about the production company? Is it owned by JW or is it a 3rd party? If it's a 3rd party are they american or english or far eastern?
p.s. I've gone from knowing nothing about this movie to looking forward to it ;D
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Post by eveofthewar on Jan 27, 2005 10:44:58 GMT
I love that CGI clip, can't wait for more!!! Hopefully some more will get released soon ;D ;D ;D
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Post by themotile on Jan 27, 2005 10:58:21 GMT
Well, as mentioned above I think this JW animation is fantastic, and I am deeply looking forward to the film. But if we were to see it as as part of a live action movie wouldn't we be a bit worried? It works as we know JW's film will obviously be an animated feature therefore 'separated' from the real world. Splice exactly the same animation into Pendragon's live action effort and it would be ridiculed as unrealistic (as it is possible that their actual animation will be, judgement reserved until we have more to go on). From what limited evidence I've seen, Pendragon's animation would look fine in such an animated feature but probably poor in a live action film. I think people are a lot more forgiving of effects in an animated film. At the end of the day, isn't it all a matter of context? I cant say that I agree with you there, imagine that tripod with sound effects, a heavy thud each time one of its mighty feet hit the ground. On a black background it lacks scale, put some housed and trees in there and with the proper rendering and a finished tripod (with smoother motions) it would kick ass. Remember that the PP stuff was meant to showcase the finished product and it is only the general fan concensus that it is work in progress, Hines himself said it was a finished theatrical trailer and only after the fan reactions did he say it may need 'tweeking'. The reaction to Jeff Waynes test shots are a hundred percent more positive than anything Pendragon has achieved on the same budget and Wayne still has over a year to go, PP's just a couple of months away. |
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jan 27, 2005 11:00:50 GMT
Far point's made about the machine, but the JW machine is not a Well's machine. As mentioned, Well's indicates the machine's movements were 'fluid' in motion, but the JW/Trim machine was made to impress and be bulit for stage (at that time without any movement), so during the early stages of the machines rendering for this film, the CGI team came face to face with a problem.
Due to the look of the machine, the style of the legs, the machine would not have a swift 'fluid' movement. The CGI team have done the best they can with very little. Looking at the legs there are only 3 main joints - body connection, top of leg connection and feet connection - the rest of the leg is solid with no movement, thus making the machine appear 'lumboursum' in movement.
The only thing I don't like about the machine is that it is 'not' the album cover machine that we have got so used to over the past 25 years, is based around the image. Don't get me wrong, this CGI machine is 'fantastic', faultless to a degree,. It's clear it is based around the concept and blueprint design that Michael Trim came forward with. Also, the machine has those little features seen in the Comet Miniatures model. But who are we to argue if over a 25 year period changes need to be made.
Also, questions have arrisen about the scale of the machine. I beleive it's correct to the album cover. With what you see on the CGI test, the machine is viewed from a distance, up close and from the side and beneath. On the album cover, the machine is seen from low level making it look taller, so when it's viewed from the side it would give the impression of it being lower.
In all, I love this 'new' style of machine
H_C
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Jan 27, 2005 12:46:27 GMT
Well I think that's bagged it for me as well.
Simple, elegant - Jeff's has shown his metal, ( literally) with a simple but flawless demonstration of his productions commitment to professionalism.
It exudes elegance and grace with striding relentless, emotionless, unstoppable terror!. What a hybrid!
I always knew Jeff Wayne would come through. The musical alone shows his standards of excellence and his meticulous attention to details, the drama, style and content.
(the music alone gives Jeff a 50% winner from the starting blocks - this simply demonstrates at least another 25% on top already. So if he has the courage to keep it dark, mean, gritty and nasty enough - RAW AND TERRIBLE - then he could hit a home run and score the full 100%. If he can make people WINCE, turn away, get involved with the characters then we are seriously up for a treat.)
Here now have you seen being born from the ashes of the Pendragon debacle and the Speilberg rollercoaster - the truest WOTW movie.
THIS will be the one you show to friends - THIS will be the one you watch late at night when your feeling like you need a lift - THIS will be the one you will cherish years from now.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT CAPTURES THE ESSENCE OF THE WAR OF THE WORLDS.
and THAT is the most important thing.
I CAN'T WAIT FOR CYLINDER TO START UNSCREWING - MAN THIS IS GOING TO BE SUCH A BUZZ!
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Post by twistedrabbit on Jan 27, 2005 16:42:14 GMT
but the JW/Trim machine was made to impress and be bulit for stage (at that time without any movement), H_C Built for the stage? Was this musical actually performed? I thought it was just a recording and that was that. |
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Post by jo73 on Jan 27, 2005 18:34:19 GMT
shhhhh can you hear it? that sound? it's stewymartian's knees knocking together as he bites his nails  |
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jan 27, 2005 18:40:20 GMT
Built for the stage? Was this musical actually performed? I thought it was just a recording and that was that. During the making of the album in the 70's, there were plans to have the musical as a stage show. H_C |
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Post by the Donal on Jan 27, 2005 19:21:59 GMT
O H M Y G O D!
THAT'S AMAZING!!!
Cheers Jeff and Rob!
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Post by Tripod on Jan 27, 2005 19:31:00 GMT
The way of walking really surprised me, I could never imagine the JW Tripod to move with a rolling motion. But it DID! I'm looking forward to see the Handling Machine come to life.
Tripod
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Post by Ashe Raven on Jan 27, 2005 21:36:24 GMT
Interesting. Very different from previous oWayne animated incarnations. Difficult for me to judge on the overall effect without a scennery to compare it too. But if I see that at night, I'd be scared.
Glad he's geting the fluide movement better, even though it's mechanical, far from the description in Well's novel, this is definetly Wayne's creation through and through.
I look forward to seeing more.
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Post by twistedrabbit on Jan 27, 2005 22:23:45 GMT
Wow. Now I can't wait to see what comes out of the new stage musical. A (near) full size martian tripod on stage with laser lights, smoke, and the chorus running around screaming in song. "Argh! I'm being set on fire! It twas not my desire!"
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Jan 28, 2005 3:29:06 GMT
...the JW machine is not a Well's machine. As mentioned, Well's indicates the machine's movements were 'fluid' in motion, but the JW/Trim machine was made to impress and be bulit for stage (at that time without any movement), so during the early stages of the machines rendering for this film, the CGI team came face to face with a problem. H_C A very good point HC. When you look at it that way it is animated perfectly for the way it is constructed. |
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Post by ulla123 on Jan 28, 2005 20:54:13 GMT
I just saw the Quicktime file of the new MFM and I agree with the hundreds of posts - it BLOWS ME AWAY!
Jeff Wayne has certainly outdone himself - even with just 15 seconds - can't wait for everything else!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Stormdragon666 on Jan 29, 2005 10:14:53 GMT
I have to say Jeff and his crewm did an amazing job with the Fighting Machine, the movement was suprisingly agile, and the way it can just turn direction like that makes it very lethal indeed.  cant wait for 2007  |
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Post by x200 on Jan 29, 2005 10:27:26 GMT
im using "quicktime alternitive" player to view the movie.. im impressed with the tripod. .altho I realise its only a demo and not refined... the lack of martian shock absorbers at the end of the steps seems innaccurate, i'd expect the feet of the fighting machine to possibly take more of the impact and atleast slow the initial jolt down, which would.. prevent the kink in the heatray also anyway, given that the animation itself seems too fast.. I hit reduce speed.. the machine indeed looks far more threatening stalking the landscape at a slower pace.. if it wasnt for the formentioned jolts which even at half speed of the movie. .are a bit too pronounced.. but im still used to seeing the GT interactive PC game intro movies/ending movie (martian win or human defeat) with the fighting machine almost gliding towards bigben.. it walked very similar without the impacts seen in the demo quicktime file as for the machine itself.. I agree that longer legs or a smaller "hood" would make it look more.. dare I say.. accurate in size, the legs of the JW machines have always been long enough to make the hood look alot smaller.. and to give the overall impression of height more than scale/size. .of which was heavyly documented in the book/albium.. there height was one of the most impressive features... eg... look at the graphic on the forum banner.. that tripods standing with buildings in the background.. its legs end out of sight..which makes them much longer.. where as the machine in the quicktime movie seems to be shorter.. and one must note that if its simply scaled up. .and left with the leg height it currently has.. its going to look really big, mass wise when standing over a church steeple.. the hoods going to be rather large altho that said.. it has to house the heavy metal fuel rods, heatray generator etc etc as well as the martian(s) pilot hood = thing that the legs are attached to.. not just the windows  well it is to me anyway |
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Post by paco417 on Jan 29, 2005 10:48:09 GMT
In regards to the FM footage recently i bet jeff Wayne has a grin a mile wide on that face of his, lets face it the man is going to make a killing and wipe the floor with the oposition at the same time! with the advent of what modern day computers can do i feel that bringing a CGI version of WOTW is a very smart move. roll on 2007 it's going to be a interesting year! |
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Post by Stormdragon666 on Jan 29, 2005 11:11:08 GMT
im using "quicktime alternitive" player to view the movie.. im impressed with the tripod. .altho I realise its only a demo and not refined... the lack of martian shock absorbers at the end of the steps seems innaccurate, i'd expect the feet of the fighting machine to possibly take more of the impact and atleast slow the initial jolt down, which would.. prevent the kink in the heatray also anyway, given that the animation itself seems too fast.. I hit reduce speed.. the machine indeed looks far more threatening stalking the landscape at a slower pace.. if it wasnt for the formentioned jolts which even at half speed of the movie. .are a bit too pronounced.. but im still used to seeing the GT interactive PC game intro movies/ending movie (martian win or human defeat) with the fighting machine almost gliding towards bigben.. it walked very similar without the impacts seen in the demo quicktime file as for the machine itself.. I agree that longer legs or a smaller "hood" would make it look more.. dare I say.. accurate in size, the legs of the JW machines have always been long enough to make the hood look alot smaller.. and to give the overall impression of height more than scale/size. .of which was heavyly documented in the book/albium.. there height was one of the most impressive features... eg... look at the graphic on the forum banner.. that tripods standing with buildings in the background.. its legs end out of sight..which makes them much longer.. where as the machine in the quicktime movie seems to be shorter.. and one must note that if its simply scaled up. .and left with the leg height it currently has.. its going to look really big, mass wise when standing over a church steeple.. the hoods going to be rather large altho that said.. it has to house the heavy metal fuel rods, heatray generator etc etc as well as the martian(s) pilot hood = thing that the legs are attached to.. not just the windows well it is to me anyway As for the height variations, i think that the machine would be able raise and lower itself for combat purposes and for the martian to get in and out. |
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Post by Chumpy on Jan 30, 2005 13:02:37 GMT
WOW!!! As the JW album cover was the first thing i ever associated with WOTW i have to say to see the FM come to life like that is amazing! I am so looking forward to seeing this film, complete with the music it will no doubt be a stunning experience!! DvB I totally agree with u DvB! ;D although it's not exactly the same as the album cover FM, it still scared the pants off me when i watched it for the first time! I have always imagined the FMs to make quite slow and deliberate strides, but the animation is so nimble! I can really imagine it chasing me down the street at full speed now!  Absolutely awesome animation! Now after seeing the pendragon and paramount trailers PLUS this awesome clip, im gonna be a jibbering wreck before i even get into the cinema!!  Chumpy |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jan 30, 2005 21:41:32 GMT
I think my computers playing up at the moment as it's not even appearing on Quicktime with me.
Can anyone put some screenshots up.
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well it is to me anyway
