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Post by nervouspete on Jan 26, 2005 10:17:45 GMT
[quote author=<[Iron Man]> link=board=newfilm&thread=1106170859&start=38#2 date=1106578230] No actually... Even in the book we could hurt them with our weapons, i don't want to see a retread of the '53 version. It's more of a case of.. "Humanity unprepared and caught off guard and gets an arse kicking - Yes" That seems better [/quote] Ah, well, I'm still of the opinion that we could never have defended against the martians first time around. Maybe the second time if given enough decades with their abandoned equipment, but not first time around. These new tripods will be equally effective against modern tech as the book ones were against the 1890's tech. Otherwise the message is lost: essentially that of a modern power invading a backward country and destroying their civilisation - it's a wake up call to see our own modern civilisation heat ray'd and gassed and starved. There's the terror in the novel. I expect a couple of tripods to be taken out, whether by lucky shots or ingenuity. But it won't slow 'em down, only make 'em pause to consider for an afternoon - when they'd come back with something deadlier like the black smoke. I hope someone does your film, Iron Man, but I'm still firmly waving the flag for helpless terror and horror against the martians. Read 'Footfall' by Larry Niven, yet? Because that is exactly what you're wanting. Pete
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Post by McTodd on Jan 26, 2005 11:35:38 GMT
NervousPete, I agree 100% - it was the Martians who were caught off guard by the Army’s lucky shot and the ‘Thunder Child’. Once they realised that humans were capable of hitting back (even if only in a limited way) they refined their tactics and cra*pped all over us.
After all, to use the colonialist analogy Wells implied, Western forces occasionally came unstuck (look at the Brits at Isandalwana, Gordon at Khartoum, the Italians in Abyssinia). Nevertheless, at some point the Empire always struck back.
As Hilaire Belloc wrote after Omdurman (the belated revenge for Gordon’s defeat):
Whatever happens We have got The Maxim gun And they have not
Perhaps a Martian humorist wrote after Shepperton:
Whatever happens We have got The Heat Ray And they have not
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Post by nervouspete on Jan 27, 2005 9:23:22 GMT
NervousPete, I agree 100% - it was the Martians who were caught off guard by the Army’s lucky shot and the ‘Thunder Child’. Once they realised that humans were capable of hitting back (even if only in a limited way) they refined their tactics and cra*pped all over us. After all, to use the colonialist analogy Wells implied, Western forces occasionally came unstuck (look at the Brits at Isandalwana, Gordon at Khartoum, the Italians in Abyssinia). Nevertheless, at some point the Empire always struck back. As Hilaire Belloc wrote after Omdurman (the belated revenge for Gordon’s defeat): Whatever happens We have got The Maxim gun And they have not Perhaps a Martian humorist wrote after Shepperton: Whatever happens We have got The Heat Ray And they have not Quite right, McTodd! Only I remember it going as this: Pity the poor Hottentot For we have the maxim And he has not Not sure which variation Belloc did. I've got his Cautionary Tales for children, about dying from eating bits of string, telling lies and being burnt to death and in slamming doors and being crushed by a heavy stone bust. Still, I automatically have a mental image of him as 'Belloc' off Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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Post by McTodd on Jan 27, 2005 13:18:56 GMT
Ooh, I like that quote! I know little about Belloc, but it sounds like the sort of thing he'd have written. The quote I, er, quoted is from a short poem, thus:
The Modern Traveller
Blood thought he knew the native mind; He said you must be firm, but kind. A mutiny resulted. I shall never forget the way That Blood stood upon this awful day Preserved us all from death. He stood upon a little mound Cast his lethargic eyes around, And said beneath his breath: 'Whatever happens, we have got The Maxim Gun, and they have not.'
But I'm sure Belloc wrote your quote as well, he wrote a hell of a lot after all!
I always think of 'Raiders...' too...
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Post by twistedrabbit on Jan 27, 2005 16:12:20 GMT
I'm really starting to wonder if the tripods will be '53 tripod-esque versions...we already know the martians will resemble the '53 version...what's to say the ol' war machines won't come back with baskets and tentacles?
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Post by themotile on Jan 27, 2005 17:01:11 GMT
I take it your talking about the first poster with Otto Lump Lumps hand? I wouldnt put too much into that if I were you, at the moment the martians could look like anything. Think of it like this, Spielberg has put so much into secrecy and security why would he at the very begining release a poster showing a martian hand? Surely it would have been a closely gaurded secret? It also assosiates his movie with 80s tv series. The poster was probably a cunning ploy to get us all thinking it was Otto so that when we actualy see the full horror of the new martian we get a genuine suprise with a hint of shock thrown in.
On the point of the war machine looking like George Pals swan neck, Paramount and Spielberg have stressed that it has nothing at all to do with the 1953 movie and is a modern adaptation of the book, to use the swan neck would convince the audience that it was a remake so it is unlikely they would use it in any form.
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Post by AlmicheV on Jan 27, 2005 21:27:47 GMT
Hi all, first post here. I was surfing around and found this pic - is it old news to you folks?
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Post by themotile on Jan 27, 2005 22:32:11 GMT
Yeah sorry bud, its fan art. Keep up the good work though!
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Post by Baron of SG-12 on Jan 28, 2005 5:00:21 GMT
Damn it, I've seen a pic of the new S/S tripods, I can't find where I saw it at. If I find it I'll post it.
Baron
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Post by Baron of SG-12 on Jan 28, 2005 5:06:36 GMT
Don't know if this is the real deal or not. don't flame me if it not. Baron
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Post by Topaz on Jan 28, 2005 6:38:40 GMT
From what we've heard, no, it's not. The artist avows that it was his own personal creation, and not something he did for the movie, although I think he was connected to it in some fashion.
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Post by Necronmaniac on Jan 28, 2005 14:19:06 GMT
I dont think the FM will neede too much modification, the heat ray even by todays standards would be a lethal weapon, im certainly not aware of any armour we currently have that could withstand a hit from such a concentrated beam of intense heat (i think the book puts it into the 1000's of Degrees C) obviously of course the problem comes with us perhaps easily being able to take out the martians with our own weaponry but there are ways round homing missiles etc (remember the godzilla remake? where they couldnt lock it cos it was cold blooded?) the machines may emit a EMP filed around themselves (hopefully not though, its too much like the force field idea thats bin done to death) i personally liked the idea of just having the machines made out of super strong alloys that dont NEED a force field, they can just take a cruise missile on the chin and then keep coming, now THAT would b scary! The image of seeing a FM pelted with missiles then when the smoke clears its still stood there, it then raises itself up and with a flash annihilates all opposition in the area with its heat ray. I also like the idea of the machines being extremely agile able to avoid missiles and such. |WHo knows both sound kool to me
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Post by Baron of SG-12 on Jan 28, 2005 19:01:40 GMT
Good, Didn't realy like it anyway.
Baron
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Post by themotile on Jan 29, 2005 11:47:59 GMT
Although it is some nice art work and would make a nice character for a game it isnt exactly what Wells put into the minds of the reader. The tentacles are wrong, sticking up like some retro 80's hair do and the legs look to fat and rigid, almost too robotic, inspired maybe by anime and manga. The 'face' with the red 'eyes' gives the impression of a living machine rather than the much scarier martian looking down at us from under its hood, its a primal thing, think of it like this; your in the jungle and suddenly you see the eyes of a tiger in the bushes, its stalking you and is about to pounce, or instead you see a camera lense poking out if the same bush, which one is scarier? The martians in the hood mental image is far more frightening than the robot face even with its little beady red eyes.
The Jeff Wayne album cover got it right with its big green staring emotionless eyes, almost insect like which appealed to the sub conciouse revulsion to insects, as did the long thin spindly legs.
Spielberg has a great and simple way out of the modern weapons vs the martian tripods conundrom. CG. His CG rockets can hit his CG tripods with huge explosions and billowing flame and bacause it is CG his tripod wont have a scratch, as long as his rockets/explosions interact with the tripod (flame licking around its legs as it walks, reflections in its hull metal etc) then we the viewers will accept this in a very short amount of time with out the need for EMP, and bacause they are aliens Spielberg never has to explain a thing, after all H G never tells us why the artillery shells dont have any effect on his tripods, he presumes we are intelligent enough to figure that out for our selves.
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Post by lanceradvanced on Jan 30, 2005 1:25:56 GMT
But the shells -do- have an effect, as was seen in wey bridge and shepperton, and the next day. But the reason they tripods waltz all over the army, is seen in the same sections, the gunners -miss- more often than not..
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Post by I own a cylinder on Feb 4, 2005 2:50:02 GMT
Don't know if this is the real deal or not. don't flame me if it not. Baron Look closely at all three machines and you get the impression they aint even tripods. THe third leg at the back is incomplete and before anyone sez its on the other side of the bridge, The thing is stood well infront of it.
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Post by CPP on Feb 7, 2005 7:47:08 GMT
Hate to drag this on, but a couple of things:
1) Cars quit in EMP conditions, even older ones. 2) Most modern military hardware is armored for EMP (not all) 3) Cold-war era Soviet m,ilitary hardware was hardened against EMP, in some cases cia the use of vacuum tubes (read that somewhere in Janes...).
So- chances are the Russkies can topple them Martian Maggots with one of their T-72's (if they weren't all busted in Iraq..).
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Post by themotile on Feb 7, 2005 11:48:36 GMT
But the shells -do- have an effect, as was seen in wey bridge and shepperton, and the next day. But the reason they tripods waltz all over the army, is seen in the same sections, the gunners -miss- more often than not.. The only weakness was the open hood, a shell hit the martian in the face, the tripods themselves were invulnerable to our weapons.
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Post by themotile on Feb 7, 2005 11:49:50 GMT
Look closely at all three machines and you get the impression they aint even tripods. THe third leg at the back is incomplete and before anyone sez its on the other side of the bridge, The thing is stood well infront of it. Yeah they are tripods, go to the guys website hes got other views of it.
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Post by themotile on Feb 7, 2005 11:56:50 GMT
Hate to drag this on, but a couple of things: 1) Cars quit in EMP conditions, even older ones. 2) Most modern military hardware is armored for EMP (not all) 3) Cold-war era Soviet m,ilitary hardware was hardened against EMP, in some cases cia the use of vacuum tubes (read that somewhere in Janes...). So- chances are the Russkies can topple them Martian Maggots with one of their T-72's (if they weren't all busted in Iraq..). EMP only works on electronics, older vehicles would still work, vehicles with point ignition systems wouldnt be too bothered. Thats why the soviets used the old out of date hard ware like vacuum tubes because EMP had no effect. EMP burns out circuitry because it over loads the fine connections burning them out. EMP would take out our jets and newer tanks, it would knock out our comunication but we would still have our guns, older tanks, older trucks and vehicles, rocket launchers, hand grenades, guns, mines, loads of stuff, but we still wouldnt make a dent even if we had our full arsenal.
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