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Post by TOMAHAWK on Jun 19, 2005 8:47:56 GMT
all peeps .... right due to all the Hype surrounding SS version , TH obviously has jumped on the bandwagon first and released his "version" purely to capitalise on the upcoming SS film, , ok crap film ..I probably won't be watching it, BUT with the money he will be getting from the DVD sales now and after the paramount release bearing in mind Paramounts won,t be available for quite some time, I dare say on DVD, ....TH may do/already have done a complete redo of his film and release it again...possible before the Paramount DVD is on general release....which really wouldn't surprise me
PP's dvd release smacks purely of grabbing as many pennies whilst the goings good on anything WOTW themed ..... indeed hasn't JW just got on the bandwagon with his update of his album
I still feel that TH has something else up his sleeve and what has been released is not the end of the story....we shall see
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Post by thed0ct0r on Jun 19, 2005 12:46:54 GMT
Hi Garfield! Still holding out and clutching straws, eh?
I agree with one thing. They did rush to release the DVD to cash in on the whole SKG bandwagon. Would it have been any better with more time? Sadly I don't think so. Timbo has proved his inadequacies as a film maker. All the time in the world can't help him. Unfortunatley it seems he plans to use whatever revenue he gains from this monstrosity to fund the completion of Crud....I mean Chrome. If our DVD players could talk they'd be shouting 'rape!'
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 19, 2005 13:03:53 GMT
Oh look, yet another "I haven't see it, but its crap anyway" posting. This is getting very tedious guys.
1/ DVD sales, I dont live in the U.S but something tells me that only a few selected outlets have the DVD so he will not be reaping any benifits - do you?, Paramount have no concerns over this. If this film is that bad, outlets will catch on to this and will save themselves the agrow of involving themselves with the product, not wishing to be selling an product that will be returned more times than it will be kept by the customer.
2/ How can anyone with a film idea, that got it off the ground 5 years ago be jumping on the bandwagon with the Paramount cinama release?. I cant ever remember reading that Paramount started the ball rolling with there film 5 years ago.
3/ I cant see Pendragon releasing this film again on DVD if its not already getting any good reviews from a large number. And if its out in a selected amount of outlets, the numbers low, hence it becoming a classic and a collectors item - sooner than later.
4/ With the amount of grief that Hines has had over this film, put yourself in his shoes - would YOU want to do something else WOTW related?.
5/ Hows JW jumping on the bandwagon with a re-release of a project he did 27 years ago but this time with the help of Sony and a new technology of sound audio - moving with the times springs to mind NOT jumping on the bandwagon.
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Jun 19, 2005 13:20:02 GMT
Oh come off it H-C .... there is enough information on this forum saying that the film is crud, I DON'T HAVE to watch the bloody thing to know that it is crap, jeez
I sincerely am clutching at straws despite what you think ..I really wanted this version to work and in a pipedream I am hoping a better version comes out..
as for JW .. well timing .. Two week to go to the release and he releases the album ... NOW ... why couldn't he have waited till 2007 when the CGI film comes out.
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Post by nomadicsimes2 on Jun 19, 2005 13:59:06 GMT
HC - while Hines may have had this project in "development" for some time, don't you think by releasing it this month, when it clearly isn't anywhere near a "finished" production, he is NOW jumping on the bandwagon to sell a project he clearly no longer believes in?
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 19, 2005 14:18:24 GMT
If people think the films FX are clearly not either finished or up to scratch in June, think what they would have been like back in March.
I feel he's releaseed the film basically to be shut of it. This is one project like been like a noose around his neck. The amount of critismn he's had over the past 8 months is proof of that. Be it a 'bandwagon' release or not is yet to be proved, but one thing is for certain, its not for making profit - not at less than $9 NEW. No one knows for certain how many outlets have this film except for TH and that will have to be a aguess. No one knows for sure how much this film cost, except for TH.
I will have the film to reveiew in the next couple of days.
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Post by timeship2 on Jun 19, 2005 14:34:33 GMT
It ain't gonna happen. I'd love to see his marketing phrase, "The rerelease of War of the Worlds, only with special effects better completed than before!"
The effects that were in the trailers weren't redone in the DVD, so what makes you think he is going to redo the entire film?
If he did release it again, then those who already have it, probably won't be buying it again because they think it's crap and/or don't see the point. Those that didn't buy it the first time around are probably not going to buy it on the second release either so his market is going to be very limited. The DVD company may also deem it not worth the risk of having a ton of unsold DVD's left on the shelf.
The fact that Spielbergs movie wouldn't have even been made had 9/11 not happened shows that Tim is certainly not unique in his thinking of taking advantage of a given opportunity. The only difference is that Spielberg's an expert in making money from a given opportunity unlike Tim.
Oh he's always had something up his sleeve. They're generally known as excuses.
Tim made a balls up, we all know that. It's over and we have to move on.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 19, 2005 17:04:11 GMT
Yep I think most of us were hoping Timbo had something special up his sleeve but from what we've heard he obviously never did. Whilst some reviews of his film seem a bit dubious and written by people with an agenda there also appears to be some genuine reviews - such as from members of this board.
It would be nice to think that maybe they just rushed out a rough cut to make the most of Spielbergs monstrosity but from what has been said it sounds like it would take an enormous amount of effort and money to bring this up to anywhere near fans expectations.
Having said that, maybe if the film was re-edited and had a major [ and I mean major ] special effects revamp plus a lot of other things done to it then maybe there might be a decent film to be had. The problem is though that even if it was given a major revamp the film might have been tarnished for good by the negative reviews.
The whole thing though just boggles the mind. I mean what was Hines thinking of. Did he really think that with films like LOTRINGS around fans would accept a great novel like this being done on the cheap. With cheap everything thrown in and the most over the top claims about how this film was going to be a masterpiece and how it would please the fans.
If he wanted to make a name for himself he certainly has [ amongst WOTW fans anyway ] but unfortunately it does seem as if Pendragon are just exploitation film makers who saw a chance to make a name for themselves and grabbed it. After all they're from the Troma school of film making. I said 'what were they thinking of' and obviously the real answer appears to be - to make a cheap cash in and make money so I don't think they would care enough to go back and give the film a makeover anyway.
It's bloody annoying that they had to pick on such a great book that's respected by millions around the world to do this though.
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Post by dudalb on Jun 19, 2005 18:51:13 GMT
And I have to point out that better SFX would not improve everything else that is being criticised about the film...the acting and horrible editing for instance.
It's amazing how people are still trying to defend the man.
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Post by recumbentrider on Jun 19, 2005 20:09:14 GMT
all peeps .... right due to all the Hype surrounding SS version , TH obviously has jumped on the bandwagon first and released his "version" purely to capitalise on the upcoming SS film, , ok crap film ..I probably won't be watching it, BUT with the money he will be getting from the DVD sales now and after the paramount release bearing in mind Paramounts won,t be available for quite some time, I dare say on DVD, ....TH may do/already have done a complete redo of his film and release it again...possible before the Paramount DVD is on general release....which really wouldn't surprise me I am not so sure that Mr. Hines will make much money from the DVD release of his film. After all, if the price of the DVD is only $10.00, I can't imagine Tim Hines' piece of the profits being very big. I'd be surprised if the DVD sales pay for the production of the film that is on the DVD, much less finance a revised version of the film. I also do not think that the DVD release was an attempt by Mr. Hines to 'ride the coattails' of the Spielberg/Cruise production, but the DVD release was definitely an attempt on the part of the DVD distrubutor, UAV, to capitalize on the Spielberg/Cruise film. (The Forbes article that first revealed the DVD release of this film described how many of UAV's releases capitalize off of many 'big screen' productions.) I think that when Mr. Hines agreed to let UAV distribute his film on DVD, he was only trying to salvage something from this project, which by this time I am sure he knew was not going well at all. I doubt that it will ever happen, but if Mr. Hines were to 're-do' his film, and if I saw evidence that the horrible FX and editing were fixed, I would consider buying it. However, unlike this time, I would wait for others to review it before I would buy it! |
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Post by thed0ct0r on Jun 19, 2005 22:33:26 GMT
Oh come off it H-C .... there is enough information on this forum saying that the film is crud, I DON'T HAVE to watch the bloody thing to know that it is crap, jeez I sincerely am clutching at straws despite what you think ..I really wanted this version to work and in a pipedream I am hoping a better version comes out.. as for JW .. well timing .. Two week to go to the release and he releases the album ... NOW ... why couldn't he have waited till 2007 when the CGI film comes out. Wow! I wasn't expecting that at all, Tomahawk! I underdstand how you feel. There was a time where I was hanging in there for dear life hoping if would all work out butI lost it well before the DVD was released. I'm really sorry as it's just as much a disappointment to me as well. As for HC's comment "Oh look, yet another..." well Tomahawk is right. You don't necessarily have to see a movie to know that it's terrible. But I tell you what - the next time someone poses a theory and expects a reponse I'll make sure to watch the movie first in hopes that my comments won't be dismissed as ignorance. P.S I've never lived in a third world country but I suspect it sucks. Ooops! There I go again!  |
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 19, 2005 23:32:18 GMT
Oh come off it H-C .... there is enough information on this forum saying that the film is crud, I DON'T HAVE to watch the bloody thing to know that it is crap, jeez I sincerely am clutching at straws despite what you think ..I really wanted this version to work and in a pipedream I am hoping a better version comes out.. as for JW .. well timing .. Two week to go to the release and he releases the album ... NOW ... why couldn't he have waited till 2007 when the CGI film comes out. Thats right, there is enough information about this site that states this film is crap, including comments from yourself. Enough has been said about this film, from good to bad. As I said, if you dont like the looks of it, dont watch it, can it be any simple than that?. No is the answer I would guess. I dont give a damn if people like it or not as long as what you post is clean, if not I'll remove it. As for the JW album, hmmmmmm, so what do you do then, spend tens of thousands of pounds while the worlds largest music company looks on to then say "I know, i'll sit on this for the next 2 years". What a waste of time, money and man power. Bet if he didnt do this people would turn and say "why didnt you release your album while you had the chance". It would appear that those making WOTW projects cant please everyone. |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 20, 2005 0:36:16 GMT
Oh come off it H-C .... there is enough information on this forum saying that the film is crud, I DON'T HAVE to watch the bloody thing to know that it is crap, jeez I sincerely am clutching at straws despite what you think ..I really wanted this version to work and in a pipedream I am hoping a better version comes out.. as for JW .. well timing .. Two week to go to the release and he releases the album ... NOW ... why couldn't he have waited till 2007 when the CGI film comes out. Thats right, there is enough information about this site that states this film is crap, including comments from yourself. Enough has been said about this film, from good to bad. As I said, if you dont like the looks of it, dont watch it, can it be any simple than that?. No is the answer I would guess. I dont give a damn if people like it or not as long as what you post is clean, if not I'll remove it. As for the JW album, hmmmmmm, so what do you do then, spend tens of thousands of pounds while the worlds largest music company looks on to then say "I know, i'll sit on this for the next 2 years". What a waste of time, money and man power. Bet if he didnt do this people would turn and say "why didnt you release your album while you had the chance". It would appear that those making WOTW projects cant please everyone. I for one fully support Jeff re-releasing his album at this time. Best thing he could have done and I think 99% of WOTW fans will support him aswell. |
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Jun 20, 2005 1:15:01 GMT
I would suspect anyone with artistic vision, a passion for WOTW and a modicum of pride in their work, wouldn't unleash a half-finished creation upon the public. Just go to the Fan Creation section of this board for proof of the pride and care WOTW fans put into their work. Perhaps all the bombardment of criticism and other burdens turned the film into "just another job" for him and he wanted to be rid of it. Perhaps he ran out of money to finish the CGI, it happens. Alien Ressurection originally had a totally different ending to what was filmed but they didn't have enough money to create the CGI for the original ending so they just killed the "hybrid" off in a cheesy ad-hoc fashion. Only Hinesy knows for sure.
I would love to see a more polished "finished" version of the film released but I think it is clutching at straws. Whether you love it or hate it, the PP WOTW is out there and that's all we have to make up our minds on.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 20, 2005 2:20:47 GMT
I would suspect anyone with artistic vision, a passion for WOTW and a modicum of pride in their work, wouldn't unleash a half-finished creation upon the public. Just go to the Fan Creation section of this board for proof of the pride and care WOTW fans put into their work. Perhaps all the bombardment of criticism and other burdens turned the film into "just another job" for him and he wanted to be rid of it. Perhaps he ran out of money to finish the CGI, it happens. Alien Ressurection originally had a totally different ending to what was filmed but they didn't have enough money to create the CGI for the original ending so they just killed the "hybrid" off in a cheesy ad-hoc fashion. Only Hinesy knows for sure. I would love to see a more polished "finished" version of the film released but I think it is clutching at straws. Whether you love it or hate it, the PP WOTW is out there and that's all we have to make up our minds on. Yes clutching at straws I suppose is the word. I still can't believe that after everything this really is it and that we aren't now going to get a spectacular serious version of the book. Hines can't be stupid and he must have known that the effects weren't up to modern expectations and that fans wouldn't be impressed. In his very own words -"fans expectations are enormous". The real rot set in with the floating Big Ben trailer. Before that people were a lot more willing to give them a chance. |
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Post by DanMacK on Jun 20, 2005 7:34:26 GMT
Of course we're going to get a spectacular serious version of the book. It'll just be coming out in 2007 and be CGI...
Regards,
Dan M.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 20, 2005 8:31:31 GMT
We all know that Spielbergs film will be packing some serious FX and as good a film maker he is, his version will be amazing and well remembered but it is now left to JW to bring us a near definative version of H.Gs book. His film is going to be the book, set in the correct time period but using his machines and music (orchestrated score) as a backdrop - completely in CGI, to keep in with the look of the album artwork.
The film goes into production at the end of this summer.
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Post by Herbie Flowers Is God on Jun 20, 2005 12:34:42 GMT
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 20, 2005 12:55:03 GMT
Dagon, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have also noted other remarks and comments made about this site else where about the net by some of our members and this is something that is NOT going to be ignored any longer.
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