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Post by Anthony on Apr 1, 2005 11:53:24 GMT
An annoymous reliable source from the eveofthewarcom gallery has given me these two seperate pieces of information about pendragons film.
This is regarding effects.
"Pendragon E-mail genuine insider news: Guys/Gals the images released by pendragon are at a screen test level. All the live action and effects will be very much modified and polished on release. Restricted timescale, legal and budget issues restrict the release of finished previews, to be resolved soon. $42,000,000 budget. "
This regarding the releases
"Pendragon's release and production is constantly being hampered by legal restrictions from a certain competitors with vested merchandize interests. This situation has been apparent for nearly two years and is causing considerable complications towards budget expenditure. Late April is currently planed around the 27th US, 28th UK but things are difficult and legal pressure keeps pushing release and production back. Cannot say much more my heads on the block if this info leaks back. (Hang in there guys/gals). "
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Post by HTT on Apr 1, 2005 11:58:36 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Clever. Looks authentic enough... but I aint no fool suckah, and I ain't gettin' on no plane!!
if you hadn't said "An annoymous reliable source" or
"Pendragon E-mail genuine insider news.." I would've fell for it!
Good one! [/glow]
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Post by ScarletFeelers on Apr 1, 2005 12:10:37 GMT
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Post by Anthony on Apr 1, 2005 12:22:04 GMT
It aint an april fools, plus its pass 12 00 now  |
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Post by HTT on Apr 1, 2005 12:30:28 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]It's NOT April Fools? Hells Bells! If this is correct, we're on a bigger budget and got a UK release! Huzzah!! I'm wondering tho', if you've fallen victim to an April Fools from your source - some people ignore this 12:00 limit and think AFs an all day thing. Besides, taking into account time differences, it's probably not 12:00 in some places. Much as I wish the info to be true, I doubt it is. PPs recent official press release has said their budget is currently $20m, and we're all pretty certain there'll be no UK release. Also, these 'competitors' applying presure for 2 years - Pendragon kept it secret until Sept 2004, that's only 6 months of hampertime (can't touch this!)  [/glow] |
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Post by Anthony on Apr 1, 2005 13:08:53 GMT
Mayve, but i was sent the second part yesterday, and the first about 3 days ago. PLus they did slate it as $42m at one point, so this person has obviously got confused.
We only heard from an unofficial source that the film will not be coming out in the UK, and that was talking about the DVd anyway.
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Post by HTT on Apr 1, 2005 13:30:12 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]With all the to-ing and fro-ing I forget what was offical and what was unofficial!!
I think we all were resigned to the fact that Paramount had the rights sewn up tight, and that a worldwide release was out of the question.
If your source is correct, Pendragon obviously have some form of permission to have a worldwide release. Perhaps this is why no UK cinemas have heard of it yet. If PP think they need more time to work on it, maybe their distributors are delaying booking it into cinemas, hence why no-one knows about it? Can you get any more info from your source?
OK everyone - let's keep calm and debate this properly. Is it possible that there still could be a worldwide release?
By the way Ant - Many thanks for this information! Much appreciated!! Sorry for being a bit skeptical (today of all day!!)[/glow]
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Post by themaster on Apr 1, 2005 13:54:42 GMT
I am here to tell you that there is no truth in those messages, sorry Anthony but you have been duped. The budget was $12 million after Pendragon wasted $8 million on the first war project which became chrome. There is no none US cinema release planned or even possible for Pendragon Pictures. No blame can be put on any other party including Paramount or Jeff Wayne for any delay or failure on Pendragons part.
If its not an April fools joke then its a lie. Its not Anthonys fault, but it would be interesting to see who sent those messages.
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Post by HTT on Apr 1, 2005 14:30:48 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Hi TheMaster, and welcome to the forum![/glow]
[glow=purple,2,300]Not quite. The budget was $42m, went down to $8m, then up to $20m+. None of this was spent on Chrome, which has a separate budget, and was placed on the back-burner to concentrate on WOTW[/glow]
[glow=purple,2,300]Why is it not possible? So far, everyone has conceded that it IS possible for a US release. It is certainly planned - on what scale is unknown.
Sorry - edited as I misread your post! I think this is the main issue - we were all so sure that there would be no possibility of a non-US release due to Paramounts distribution rights. Perhaps this inside source knows something we don't. After all, there's been no proper official announcement about the withdrawl of a worldwide release - just rumours and assumptions.[/glow]
[glow=purple,2,300]No-one's blaming Jeff Wayne in the slightest - on fact, Jeff seems to be the only one to get it right!!.
I agree in general, but I think Paramount can be blamed in that they hold the rights to distribution. They've gone on record as saying 2 versions of WOTW could be confusing for their customers.
Yes, the result of the Pendragon Film and marketing is entirely PPs fault, but blame for distribution problems for ANY period WOTW movie lie squarely with Paramount. If New Line Cinema had picked it up, Paramount gave them the right to make the film, then said "oh, by the way, you can't distribute in Europe" - who's to blame for the ensuing legal wrangles & delays?[/glow]
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Post by MarkG on Apr 1, 2005 15:06:10 GMT
But you're assuming that it's a movie that would otherwise get distribution. If the actual movie is anywhere near as bad as the trailers, why would any theatrical distributor touch it?
Blaming Paramount for lack of distribution just seems to be typical Hinesism with little to no supporting evidence.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Apr 1, 2005 15:10:27 GMT
This whole thing is a bloody farce! Paramount and Pendragon can both sod off as far as I'm concerned.
I think there's some form of a con going on here and it's us WOTW fans who will be the losers.
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Post by themaster on Apr 1, 2005 15:24:33 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Hi TheMaster, and welcome to the forum![/glow] [glow=purple,2,300]Not quite. The budget was $42m, went down to $8m, then up to $20m+. None of this was spent on Chrome, which has a separate budget, and was placed on the back-burner to concentrate on WOTW[/glow] [glow=purple,2,300] Why is it not possible? So far, everyone has conceded that it IS possible for a US release. It is certainly planned - on what scale is unknown.Sorry - edited as I misread your post! I think this is the main issue - we were all so sure that there would be no possibility of a non-US release due to Paramounts distribution rights. Perhaps this inside source knows something we don't. After all, there's been no proper official announcement about the withdrawl of a worldwide release - just rumours and assumptions.[/glow] [glow=purple,2,300]No-one's blaming Jeff Wayne in the slightest - on fact, Jeff seems to be the only one to get it right!!. I agree in general, but I think Paramount can be blamed in that they hold the rights to distribution. They've gone on record as saying 2 versions of WOTW could be confusing for their customers. Yes, the result of the Pendragon Film and marketing is entirely PPs fault, but blame for distribution problems for ANY period WOTW movie lie squarely with Paramount. If New Line Cinema had picked it up, Paramount gave them the right to make the film, then said "oh, by the way, you can't distribute in Europe" - who's to blame for the ensuing legal wrangles & delays?[/glow] Thanks for the welcome Firstly the budget was $20,000,000, they spent $8,000,000 on the the first war attempt and then on the failed project Chrome, this I read in the article by Jeff Wells, he had a telephone interview with the director himself. Secondly, its just too late before the DVD release date, it takes months to get a film into even a local cinema never mind another country and the film isn't even finished yet. Lastly the informant implies the parties that will gain from merchandising, which includes Paramount and Jeff Wayne, this is idiotic at best, any failing is with the ineptitude of the director and the utter incompetence within Pendragon. Like I said its smell like BS to me. |
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Post by HTT on Apr 1, 2005 15:36:15 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]No, no, no!
It's NOT Hinesism! It doesn't matter if it's Tim Hines, Peter Jackson, Tim Burton, etc. IF Paramount have sole distribution rights, then only Paramount can distribute it. ANYONE who want to make a period version of WOTW has the right to do so... but they don't have the right to distribute it unless Paramount allow them to. If Paramount allow someone to make a movie, then not allow them to distribute it, you cannot blame the filmmaker for not being able to distribute it!
Anyhoo, this is all beside the point. As have had no OFFICIAL confirmation that there is no worldwide release, this source may be aware of an agreement between Pendragon and Paramount regarding distribution that we're unaware of. [/glow]
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Post by MarkG on Apr 1, 2005 15:39:56 GMT
And? How is that a problem if no-one wants to distribute it anyway?
Frankly, I think the odds of Paramount actively trying to stop Hines' movie are about as high as the odds of Natalie Portman coming around my place tonight for a quickie on her way to a movie premiere...
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Post by themaster on Apr 1, 2005 15:43:39 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]No, no, no! It's NOT Hinesism! It doesn't matter if it's Tim Hines, Peter Jackson, Tim Burton, etc. IF Paramount have sole distribution rights, then only Paramount can distribute it. ANYONE who want to make a period version of WOTW has the right to do so... but they don't have the right to distribute it unless Paramount allow them to. If Paramount allow someone to make a movie, then not allow them to distribute it, you cannot blame the filmmaker for not being able to distribute it! Anyhoo, this is all beside the point. As have had no OFFICIAL confirmation that there is no worldwide release, this source may be aware of an agreement between Pendragon and Paramount regarding distribution that we're unaware of. [/glow] There is a big difference between distribution rights and a plot by other film companies to thwart Pendragon isnt there. Thats what the informant is aluding to. Listen to what I say: ITS TOO LATE FOR A CINEMA RELEASE BEYOND THE LOCAL U.S. |
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Post by HTT on Apr 1, 2005 15:50:54 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]I can see where you're coming from.
There's a lot of figures re budget, and a lot of contradiction, so it's hard to say what it actually is! Ans with the director speaking to the interviewer - well, Tim is rather liberal with the BS at times!!
I think the DVD is a bit close to cinema release - but some films have hit DVD before cinema release, and still been successful. It's unlikely, but possible, there is time for a cinema release.
I agree that the merchandising line is a bit false - with PPs track record, can we ever imagine them getting any merchandise out there? I doubt Paramount are worried about that at all! Still, time will tell!!
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Post by themaster on Apr 1, 2005 18:47:35 GMT
ok thats cool, I think there is time for a very limited and local cinema release in the US but it will be a matter of days not weeks in individual cinemas who agree to show it. I would tend to believe the lower estimate on the budget purely going of the trailers and quality of the music and the whole 'cheap' feel to it, I just cant see $40 million in anything so far. I think the dvd release is garanteed though, and it will be easy to get after June so theres nothing much to worry about if you want to see it, your going to, its the over all quality of the film that is the real worry, but until they release the dvd we just wont know, the director could have halted all this speculation with a 30 second clip. |
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Post by Lensman on Apr 1, 2005 19:20:09 GMT
The budget was $12 million after Pendragon wasted $8 million on the first war project which became chrome. There is no none US cinema release planned or even possible for Pendragon Pictures. No blame can be put on any other party including Paramount or Jeff Wayne for any delay or failure on Pendragons part. And you know this how? Hines' latest press release said $20 million. That $12 million figure was from an article for which the writer admitted in the article he hadn't bothered to check Hines' statements. So how reliable is that? It's just another rumor. We have no idea at this point if Pendragon's WotW will be released in Europe. And despite claims of the naysayers, it seems apparent it will be released in the Asian markets, because of earlier statements from Hines regarding the Asian distributors. My personal opinion is that these anonymous e-mails are just rumor, and they certainly won't affect my opinion of anything. BTW-- According to the culture in which I was raised, "April Fool" is an all day thing. And according to *my* calendar, it is indeed April 1. |
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Post by Lensman on Apr 1, 2005 19:30:28 GMT
ANYONE who want to make a period version of WOTW has the right to do so... but they don't have the right to distribute it unless Paramount allow them to. If Paramount allow someone to make a movie, then not allow them to distribute it, you cannot blame the filmmaker for not being able to distribute it! You know, I'm having a really hard time believing anyone would be stupid enuff to spend $20 or $12 million-- or even $1.2 million-- making a film without bothering to find out if he had the right to show it publicly. Hines says he spent (IIRC) $12,000 researching the copyright to the film. Hines has a better idea of what the copyright situation is than anyone on this board. And anyone who thinks he doesn't is being foolish. To say "he has a right to make it but not distribute it" shows a distinct lack of understanding of what the word "copyright" means. some films have hit DVD before cinema release News to me-- unless you mean bootleg DVD. Can you name one? |
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Post by Anthony on Apr 1, 2005 19:54:45 GMT
Wernt the Europe release only regarding the DVD?
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