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Post by themotile on Mar 3, 2005 21:23:05 GMT
Evidently its not such a waste of time that you don't mind wasting A LOT of your[/b] time going on about how disappointed you are in a film you haven't seen. What I couldn't do with your free time! LOL [/quote] I dont consider talking with my friends online a waste of time Charles, do you? Pendragons WOTW will be a waste of time, like I said I will see it for free when theres nothing else on the telly and its raining outside.
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Post by Charles on Mar 3, 2005 22:05:07 GMT
Of course that’s not what I said, but you are a master debater and know how to twist what I say into what you wish I would have said.
If you don’t consider it a waste of time to say the same things over and over again (for months on end) about something you claim not to give a toss about (but still haven’t seen), that’s up to you. But that is definately one way I would define wasting my time, especially if I thought I was talking to my friends.
But that's just me. ;D
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Post by themotile on Mar 3, 2005 22:14:46 GMT
Yes we agree Charles, it is just you.
I find myself repeating myself because others keep spouting the same cliche again and again "wait and see....wait and see..." its in my nature to try and correct what I see as folly.
No its already plain to see, why wait at all when its painfully obvious to anyone not blinded bu blind hope that this film will be nothing but tripe.
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Post by Charles on Mar 3, 2005 22:27:38 GMT
I find myself repeating myself because others keep spouting the same cliche again and again "wait and see....wait and see..." its in my nature to try and correct what I see as folly. You're a man on a brazen (and rather arrogant) mission. Good thing we've got people like you around who care so much about what and how some of us think that you consider it your mission to make up other's minds. Don't know what I'd do without all your good advice! But I'm sure Hines appreciates you keeping this alive - even the way you and a few others have. Oscar Wilde, you know.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 3, 2005 22:50:50 GMT
Yes we agree Charles, it is just you. I find myself repeating myself because others keep spouting the same cliche again and again "wait and see....wait and see..." its in my nature to try and correct what I see as folly. No its already plain to see, why wait at all when its painfully obvious to anyone not blinded bu blind hope that this film will be nothing but tripe. Maybe those that you refere to as 'spouting' are taking no notice of what you are saying, as they so wish to make there own minds up. Please keep to the topic in question Thank you.
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Post by nervouspete on Mar 3, 2005 23:50:18 GMT
Ohhhh... sex crazed lesbians... MarkG, "You oughta be in pictures...". Sorry, that reminded me of a supreme Bill Hicks (RIP) sketch about Hollywood. Paraphrased from memory... Bill Hicks: "... and that's how I pitched it. That these ass-holes are making our conciousness pay a higher collective price than we could bear. Hence the film, "Let's hunt and kill Billy Ray Cyrus." And you know what the big shot Hollywood guy said? 'Will there be titty?' And I said, yeah, sure, I guess... BAM! A cheque lands in my lap. That's it. "I'm a producer now." Then he says: "What are these titties gonna do?" I don't know... jiggle? "Goddam, boy! You're a goddam genius! Jiggling titties! Whoulda thunk it! Where have you been boy?! We've been looking for a guy like you in Hollywoooood..." Y'see, all these years I've been trying to write a story that means something true with characters you care about and a genuine message I feel is important and I've been trying and failing and... hey, y'don't have to bother! Jiggling titties! BAM! I'm a producer now! ................................................ Hollywood indeed works something like this, but it has, I feel, gotten a little better since Bill Hicks early 90's time, thank God. Still, I'd rather no TWOTW film than a Troma War of the Worlds film. No offense, and I quite liked the endearingly silly Sergeant Kabukiman NYPD, but the number of times that fool M J Simpson of SFX magazine (the one rubbish, scarily geeky and occassionally genuinely vicious writer in an otherwise top magazine) kept lauding Troma films, and the number times I shook my head wearily upon seeing them... well, I'd hate to see it in their hands. Not to unfairly knock Troma for their 'Does what it says on the tin' fare, which has its post pub enjoyment place... but... please, not TWOTW, Troma. Pete
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Post by Gray on Mar 3, 2005 23:56:20 GMT
Here's a likely scenario: After the movie is out, after we've all seen it, digested it, made of it what each of us will and gone on with our lives, Motile will still be logged-on here, wrapped in a straight jacket in his padded room, drooling as he types the same old vitriol on a keyboard with his nose.
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Post by nervouspete on Mar 4, 2005 0:02:14 GMT
Where the Writer shouts "Get under the water", the martians direct their heat rays at the river, and flash steam it. The boiling water forms into a tidal wave that sweeps downstream, drowning and boiling people alive - the writer escapes scalded. As most rivers have bridges, I would expect to see bridges melting/wrecked and the wreckage smashing into the struggling people in the water. (etc....) Although I don't share HailtheTripod's faith at all in Pendragon's production (and HailtheTripod, I'm trying to write an amazing sci-fi novel with fresh concepts, strange twists, wonderful characters and plot that has never been done before, so I modestly except myself from your 'Why don't you try making the film?' challenge. 55,000 words in, now!) I do agree with the problems the tsunami caused IF Pendragon did have such a scene heavily into development. Frankly, I've seen some footage on the net of the Tsunami on a couple of news sites (uncle was in Thailand at the time but was inland, got out okay) that is genuinely very disturbing. Just people who are there one moment riding wreckage, they approach a low bridge, and then they seem to walk calmly down into the wreckage. And they don't reappear. And another of an old white couple stripped from a railing. It really was a horrific disaster. We tend to forget because most of the footage was from Thailand, which didn't suffer as much compared to Indonesia, where 75,000 out of a 100,000 in one city didn't live. I couldn't blame Hines if he saw his footage and got cold feet. I'm not excusing the guy's other follies, but I can excuse the lack of that trailer if he had it. Pete
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Post by CPP on Mar 4, 2005 3:45:50 GMT
Hey, guys... I know I'm kind of a newcomer here, but let's not let "Toxie" Hines and his movie (or lack thereof) set us at each other's throats. The truth will out in a matter of months, in one form or another. We're all here cuz we love WOTW (well, and some like myself are selfishly seeking help on their own projects, but I digress).
Here's to the Red Weed!
RP
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Post by CPP on Mar 4, 2005 7:00:55 GMT
Hi-
Just took another look at PP site. There us a "cast and crew" clip (a commercial, really). Gotta admit to having mixed feelings about this show. Some convincing looking shots here and there... yet, as someone else mentioned, could very well be HDTV. If anyone else remembers "The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne," I cut a trailer for them and that was HD. Looked awful for about 3 episodes, then got really good after that. So that, in itself, is not a deal-breaker.
But then, further in, there are some flame FX, etc. that are striaght out of the stock-shots toolbox (and a lousy one at that). So it's a bit vexing.
At this point, I would advise Mr. Hines (if he'd listen) to begin some serious damage-control to rescue the ill-advised ad campaign (such as it is) and get out some news, ie proof to the world (the segment of it that cares) that this WILL happen.
Last film of his (before the unfisnished CHROME) was distributed by Troma. Without such a distrib, marketing is a bear. So perhaps it's a matter of poor guidance. But mid-March is coming up SOON, and here in the US there is NO buss about this show.
Truly the kiss of death in this market!
*sigh*
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 4, 2005 11:53:34 GMT
OK, I'm gonna ask publicy here if that's ok- does anyone have good contact info for Jeff Wayne? Yes, me. . . I am in regular contact with Jeff. Any particular reason why you ask?. H_C
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Post by HTT on Mar 4, 2005 13:14:19 GMT
Getting back on topic... regarding the cinema details:
So: The interview was told (source unknown) that there is no distributor, which Pendragon Deny, so there's hope for a proper distribution.
Also, it doesn't specifically state 5 cinemas ONLY- it just mentions 5 States where it will be show - so it still could be a worldwide release.
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Post by MarkG on Mar 4, 2005 13:16:29 GMT
I can't see it being a world-wide release without a distributor or two attached. If they don't have any, then about their only hope is to sell enough tickets themselves to make distributors look at the movie.
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Post by HTT on Mar 4, 2005 13:48:43 GMT
There are several distributors attached - but Hinesy isn't telling us who they are. So, unless they have backed out en masse, then I'm still hopeful of a wordwide release.
The only reason we're assuming there's no distributor is coz Pendragon won't tell us who they are, and Jeff Wells has 'heard' they haven't.
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Post by MarkG on Mar 4, 2005 14:24:15 GMT
So what is your source for that claim?
Do you really think it's normal practice for a movie company to refuse to name their distributor less than four weeks before a release?
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 4, 2005 14:38:12 GMT
maybe it's ebay ;D
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Post by HTT on Mar 4, 2005 15:48:25 GMT
Source for the distribution claim is on several websites, and is direct from Pendragon stating:
It may not be normal practise to keep the distributor secret, but we've not come to expect normal practise from Pendragon! They seem to WANT a lot of secrecy around this film...even going as far as to get those working on the film to sign non-disclosure contracts!
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Post by dudalb on Mar 4, 2005 18:31:11 GMT
"Do you really think it's normal practice for a movie company to refuse to name their distributor less than four weeks before a release? "" No it's not. It's unheard of, as a matter of fact. If you don't have a distriubutor, no one takes you seriously. "but we've not come to expect normal practise from Pendragon!" Subsitute "intelligent" for "normal" and you have it.
"They seem to WANT a lot of secrecy around this film...even going as far as to get those working on the film to sign non-disclosure contracts!" I would say that if you are so secret that no one outise a few hard core fans have heard abot the film you are overdoing secrecy. And non disclosure agreements are Standard for People working on movies. They are routine operating procedure. Lucas does, Spielbrge does it, Jackson does it, everybody does it. It is just about the only standard film industry practice that Pendragon has chosen to adopt.
Please explain to me why it is a good idea not to have ANY advertisng, ANY publictiy, ANY marketing less then Four weeks before a film opens. And please do not give me "secrecy" as an excuse. THe Spielberg WOTW has a huge campaing going without really leaking anything. I think some stuff will leak,but that is a small price to pay for having the film one of the most anticipated films of the year. And that from Joe Public, not just a few fans aon the internet. Granted that Hines does not the have the PR juggernaut that Speilberg has at this disposal, but he could have done a lot more to market the film without disclosing any "secrets". "I called around yesterday (i.e., Thursday) and found it hard to find anyone in the indie distribution community who’s seen Hines' film, or has spoken to anyone who’s seen it." Then who are these "distriubtors" that Hines talks about? And BTW how recent is the Hines distributor quote? A lot of stuff on the website had been up there for ever. And considering all the damage done to the fanbase, why would telling us at least who the distributor is hurt the film in any way. Sorry, but anybody who knows anything about the film business on any level from the big time to the small film market will tell you the way that Pendragon is handling the film makes no logic and no sense. Sorry, but based on my own experience working four years for a major theater chain in the US, ad having a owner of a "Art House" cinema as a best friend, I just can't buy any idea but either Hines does NOT have a distributor signed up, or he just does not know what he is doing. Tell you what, Hail the Tripod. Go talk to the guy who manages your local theater. Read up on how the film industry works...which, without being insulting, I really do not think you are familiar with.And then tell me why I should put any stock in anything Hines says. This is not a judgement on Hines as a film maker. But as PR person and a Marketing director for film scheduled to start showing in less then thrity days, the guy does not know what he is doing. They are cutting their own throats with this secrecy. And it's sad. If Hines would just tell us what is going on, would just tell us that the film has been delayed,..and I will bet a lot of money that will happen. If he does not have the film booked now in theaters for March 30th, it ain't gonna happen. It is just too late. It takes at least five weeks to set up distribution for a film on any level including indie level, And no one hear who has made inquires has found out anything solid. What are we to beleive: The evidence or a Hines Press release?
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 4, 2005 18:38:04 GMT
nice work dud...
I think a recent well known ad campaign comes to mind and says it all
website $20 Costumes,sets, film crew $100 special FX $300 Misc fees and 'expenses' $41.9 million
Forgetting to tell ANYONE in the world about your movie - PRICELESS!!
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Post by themotile on Mar 4, 2005 20:03:20 GMT
If you put your ear to the ground you can almost hear the "wait and see" rant rumbling its way toward this thread. Shhh listen.....
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