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Post by Anthony on Mar 2, 2005 21:38:48 GMT
Errm still havnt the email off Pendragon giving me a free flight and free tickets to the first showing of this film. I'll be waiting Pendragon ;D
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Post by CPP on Mar 3, 2005 5:31:23 GMT
Ohhhh... sex crazed lesbians... MarkG, "You oughta be in pictures...".
Frankly, I am wondering my Troma, or as we know them "the Miramax of the 'B's," doesn't take this thing for distribution... oh , yeah, they go direct to DVD. Maybe that's the way to go.
What do you suppose Hines thinks when someone who monitors this board (please allow me to think that they do...) tells him we're comapring his film to "Wild Spandex very *friendly* persons..."?
Oh, well. We'll just have to wait and see. I hope the re-release of the 1953 version has some god stuff in it. Maybe Anne Robinson NOT screaming?
*sigh*
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Post by dudalb on Mar 3, 2005 7:40:33 GMT
CPP, Ann Robinson and Gene Barry are doing one of the commentaries on the 1953 WOTW SE DVD out in June.
Joe Dante is also doing one with a film historian.
It looks like it is going to be a good package....
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Post by CPP on Mar 3, 2005 8:11:36 GMT
Joe Dante???
Why?
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Post by CPP on Mar 3, 2005 8:12:14 GMT
OK, I'm gonna ask publicy here if that's ok- does anyone have good contact info for Jeff Wayne?
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Post by HTT on Mar 3, 2005 10:41:42 GMT
What's that got to do with it? That's just a cheap shot for the sake of it. You want to see a period version - go and make it then. As I said, at least Hines had the guts to take on Hollywood, rather than sit there and not even try.
Let's see...erm...perhaps completing an authentic period version of WOTW? The interview confirms the film will be complete and in 5 cinemas on 30 March.
That's a personal opinion based on low-res, compressed trailers - not the best way to make a judgement. I think looking good. If you don't think that tripod shot is up to much, then frankly nothing will satisfy you. So some of the shots are incomplete - but they were rushed out last minute due to removal of the finished shots being too similar to the Tsunami. Post production and ADRs will make it much richer.
No, it's not sad at all - and we do not justify or excuse the mistakes made - we acknowledge them, and keep voicing our concerns in these forums. However, they key promise for is an authentic production of WOTW as a film, delivered worldwide by 30 March. Apart from the definition of 'worldwide' this promise will be met. I don't know about the trailer in cinemas in Feb - I wasn't in every cinema so can't comment. The 2 new trailers were due late Feb/Early March - it's only just early March!
So what's your problem then? This is what Hines is delivering on 30 March. As it'll be in 5 cinemas wordwide, if you're that desperate you could travel over to see it in one of them, or alternatively... BUY THE DVD IN JUNE! Hines has desperately wanted to see a faithful period version since age 10 - he went out and did it. So either go out and make/market it yourself, or stop complaining.
What's wrong with you people? Showing a film in a cinema is not the be all and end all. Many films get limited cinema releases, yet go on to become classics by word of mouth, pickups by independant cinemas later, snowballing into bigger chains, with VHS & DVD releases inbetween. Our authentic version will be released, and that's all that matters - I don't CARE about seeing it in the cinema, as long as I get to see it!!
Sorry for the rant, but it's annoying that when it's announced the film will be released, and a DVD available in 3 months, everyone reacts like it's the death of the movie! Grrrr!!
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Post by MarkG on Mar 3, 2005 11:31:50 GMT
But that's just another example of PP's, frankly, hopeless PR work. If the CG footage is really finished, they could easily put up a high-res still that would dispell most people's worries about bad effects. Unfortunately the 'high-res' (1024x768-ish) stills they have released look really poor to me. Maybe they'd be OK at DVD resolution, but they sure don't look like something I could sit through for three hours in a cinema. I could do that with finger-puppets in a couple of weeks: it wouldn't necessarily be anything to brag about. Well, I don't think it was up to much. If this was a $10k fan movie, it would be fine, but that's not CG worthy of a $40 million budget, or even a $12 million budget... and, frankly, you're making the same mistake you blame others for, of believing it's a _good_ effects shot based on a low-res trailer. Take a look at this still of the same sequence, for example: forums.eveofthewar.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=48&pos=3This suffers from the same problems as the other still I mentioned before. Blurry, apparently blown-up live footage with fake-looking pin-sharp CG on top (and the lighting on the tripod looks all wrong to me when compared to the live footage). Even making the CG blurry as well would be better than doing what they've done there. It's pretty clear that the movie was shot on video from the look of the trailers, but I'm honestly starting to wonder if they shot it on DV rather than even HD... the resolution of the live-action footage is that low. Sorry, but I have a hard time accepting that excuse. What shots were removed because they had big waves destroying buildings and killing people? No, what matters is that it's authentic... and watchable. Currently, based on what's been released, I'm not sure the latter is true. |
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Post by themotile on Mar 3, 2005 11:58:28 GMT
I quite agree with you there Markg.
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Post by MarkG on Mar 3, 2005 12:28:14 GMT
I am, kind of, but so far none have even had a $12,000,000 budget  . One of the directors I worked for was actually talking to Troma at one point about distribution for their movie (kind of like 'Xena', but with more violence and lesbian sex and less money), but that was a couple of years ago when they'd just started editing... last I heard a couple of months ago they'd almost finished editing. . |
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Post by HTT on Mar 3, 2005 12:56:31 GMT
Where the Writer shouts "Get under the water", the martians direct their heat rays at the river, and flash steam it. The boiling water forms into a tidal wave that sweeps downstream, drowning and boiling people alive - the writer escapes scalded. As most rivers have bridges, I would expect to see bridges melting/wrecked and the wreckage smashing into the struggling people in the water.
Tim felt this scene was a bit too soon after the Tsunami, and with the furore after 9/11 (SpiderMan, Collateral Damage, etc), he didn't want that negative publicity. So, it was struck out and replaced with the half finished Big Ben shot, amongst others.
I still think the tripod scene looks damn good - even in low-rez. The 'still' however, may not be a still, but a pre-viz/concept shot, like the handling machine image. However, we won't know if it will look any good till we see it, so I can't see any point in bashing the movie until we have the DVD in our hands.
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Post by MarkG on Mar 3, 2005 13:14:58 GMT
Ok, that makes some sense. But if those stills are just meant to be 'concept shots', why is there no disclaimer to that effect? If they are 'concept shots' and no-one is saying so, then their PR staff should be conceptually shot . |
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Post by themotile on Mar 3, 2005 14:40:33 GMT
Thats insane! Why make excuses? They are shots from the trailer, and they are bloody awful, just not realistic at all. Those tripod legs look like computer game graphics, theres no depth, no texture, crappy lighting..
Why oh why are people still making excuses?
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Post by HTT on Mar 3, 2005 16:42:28 GMT
Because we are not pre-judging the FINISHED product before we see it. You may feel the FX are crap, the trailers are crap, but we haven't seen the finished product, which might not be crap.
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Post by syrtismajor on Mar 3, 2005 17:08:34 GMT
Because we are not pre-judging the FINISHED product before we see it. You may feel the FX are crap, the trailers are crap, but we haven't seen the finished product, which might not be crap. Agreed! The trailers for Terminator two sucked, makes the film look like a cheap and cheesy B-movie. The trailer for Mission to mars however looked fantastic, the film however nearly caused me to choke myself with the tv remote it was so bad. I'm willing to accept that this film may not be great, but I'm still waiting to actually see it. It's not just Hines making this film, people seem to keep putting the whole production team under the name 'Hines'. I want to see what they have produced with a modest budget, rather than just brush it aside because the Director seems to spout a bit of rubbish. Just seems that us in Britain will have to wait for the DVD though  |
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Post by themotile on Mar 3, 2005 17:38:05 GMT
Agreed! The trailers for Terminator two sucked, makes the film look like a cheap and cheesy B-movie. The trailer for Mission to mars however looked fantastic, the film however nearly caused me to choke myself with the tv remote it was so bad. I'm willing to accept that this film may not be great, but I'm still waiting to actually see it. It's not just Hines making this film, people seem to keep putting the whole production team under the name 'Hines'. I want to see what they have produced with a modest budget, rather than just brush it aside because the Director seems to spout a bit of rubbish. Just seems that us in Britain will have to wait for the DVD though Come on its not the same thing, your all still making excuses "it might not be crap...." what does your gut tell you when you see that pap? It doesnt look like a B movie, it doesnt look like a movie at all! It would take more time to fix those shots than it would to completely re-do them. Dont confuse the desire to have an authentic adaptation with the realistic quality of this production. |
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Post by themotile on Mar 3, 2005 17:57:44 GMT
I didnt quote you I quoted hailthetripod.
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Post by syrtismajor on Mar 3, 2005 17:59:13 GMT
Point taken ;D I'll edit!
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Post by themotile on Mar 3, 2005 18:04:08 GMT
No its cool, I wish I thought the same way as you guys but I just cant see this film being anything but a waste of time. I wish it wasnt so and maybe one day one of us will take a decent crack at it. You never know.
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Post by Charles on Mar 3, 2005 18:20:21 GMT
Evidently its not such a waste of time that you don't mind wasting A LOT of your[/b] time going on about how disappointed you are in a film you haven't seen. What I couldn't do with your free time! LOL  |
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Post by dudalb on Mar 3, 2005 18:40:14 GMT
"I want to make it clear I despertatly want to see a period version of WOTW faithful to the original. "
I should have added "Good" to "Period Version".
I am sorry, but I think the Pendragon fans are going on pure faith now.
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. One of the directors I worked for was actually talking to Troma at one point about distribution for their movie (kind of like 'Xena', but with more violence and lesbian sex and less money), but that was a couple of years ago when they'd just started editing... last I heard a couple of months ago they'd almost finished editing. 
