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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 2, 2005 22:16:04 GMT
Hines didnt tell us when the budget suddenly dropped from $43 mil to $12 mil, he didnt tell us that the "world wide theatrical release" was actualy a five cinema American 4 walled release, he didnt tell us that his state of the art SFX that were comparable to the Matrix were actualy utter rubbish even by CBBC standards, the list goes on and on what makes you think theres a chance old delusional Hines will tell us anything beyond the fantasical? Well, like you I also dont know the guy personaly, and as I say 'I hope', only assume like the rest of us that he does the decent thing and let us know what is happening. He has 2 options - either he does go ahead and tells us something OR he doesn't - simple as that.
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Post by themotile on Mar 2, 2005 22:18:48 GMT
Well, like you I also dont know the guy personaly, and as I say 'I hope', only assume like the rest of us that he does the decent thing and let us know what is happening. He has 2 options - either he does go ahead and tells us something OR he doesn't - simple as that. He may tell us lots of things (he already has) doesnt mean any of it will have a grounding in reality. Like you H_C old buddy I can only hope.
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 2, 2005 22:19:45 GMT
$12mill - I must have missed that one - wow a lot happens in here when your away for a couple of weeks!!!. Certainly explains a lot. Why couldn't he come up with that earlier - he'd have got a lot more sympathy from me - see this is why I just find it hard to believe this company. They just talk shabba all the time. Their PR is gash.
so did he ever have $42 mill or was it always $12 mil ? Personally I'm not suprised - I mean who'd wait 5 years - who funded chrome? why hasn't that been released... why so many eggs and no basket ?
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Post by themotile on Mar 2, 2005 22:22:11 GMT
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 2, 2005 22:28:53 GMT
no phuken way man!!!... They're saying he BLEW $8mill on the first version - Anyone believing that ?This guy blows $8mill on a movie that goes in the bin and STILL gets to make the 'authentic' movie. Shees - that first movie must have been about finished then!!! Pheww - no - I'm not that dumb...this stinks more than the mens toilets in your average motoroway services ...
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Post by dudalb on Mar 2, 2005 23:00:14 GMT
Maybe Hines should make a movie called "The Incredible Shrinking Film Budget"? There is no way you can do a decent film of WOTW on 12 Million US Dollars ..which transalates to roughly 7-8 Million pounds UK. Maybe his investors at Microsoft saw some of the intial footage, figured they were dealing with a amateur and quite rightly pulled their money out of the deal.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Mar 2, 2005 23:14:44 GMT
also ran wannabe....
with more money ill ever see
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Post by McTodd on Mar 2, 2005 23:40:59 GMT
There is no way you can do a decent film of WOTW on 12 Million US Dollars ..which transalates to roughly 7-8 Million pounds UK. $12m? £8m? More like a tenner at the current exchange rate... Also, these so-called 'computer industry' bigshots behind Hines, do we have proof it's really Gatesy & Co? Wait, I know who it is, this has the stamp of... DUH DUH DAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! ...Sir Clive Sinclair!!! Now it all makes sense, I can see it now in inch high letters on a late-night petrol station DVD rack near you... TIMOTHY WALTER MUNCHAUSEN HINES, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MAN WHO BROUGHT YOU THE ZX81, THE SINCLAIR SPECTRUM, THE C5 PERSONAL TRANSPORT REVOLUTION AND THE ZIKE - YES, THE ZIKE! - IS PROUD TO PRESENT... H G WELLS'S THE WAR OF THE WORLDSDirected by Timothy Hines Edited by Timothy Hines Photographed by Timothy Hines Special Effects by Timothy Hines on a ZX81 Music by Timothy Hines Key Grip Timothy Hines Best Boy Timothy Hines Coffee by Starbucks - but Timothy Hines carried it from the shop, honest Starring Timothy Hines Co-Starring Some Bloke Timothy Hines Met On The Way Back From Starbucks Ooh, I can't wait!!!
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Post by notobfukwiv on Mar 3, 2005 0:24:07 GMT
It is quite beyond me as to how Pendragon’s project, TWOTW, got off the ground to begin with. Concerns have already been expressed as to some of the more obvious areas of mismanagement within the realms of Pendragon. The first being their image and how they project themselves to the public, after all it is through this gateway that success awaits and to me they are trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole. I see also complacency being exercised, areas of opportunity must have been seen but have been clearly neglected and ignored. I personally would have liked to have seen the overall business plan for this project.
I’m sure investors would have asked questions. I’m certain I would have done had I invested heavily in what seems a mammoth but very enterprising entrepreneurial scheme. I know a business plan, regardless of the product, must have a solid foundation upon which it can stand. If the foundation laid for the plan and put into practise is weak the whole creation tumbles catastrophically. A business plan must entail what opportunities / problems that it is likely to encounter, and with a structured framework projections for profit / loss etc. are made into goals.
Pendragon, it seems, have failed in this vital area. Evidence presented on this board suggests that they have failed in informing it’s supporting public and lack the skills necessary to be successful from a ‘Public Relations’ standpoint. It’s ok to be critical as long as justification and logic are attached if you believe your argument is correct. Questions are asked by many on this board and those defending Pendragon, in my opinion, are simply acting out roles just like those of Politicians. I personally live and deal in the world of fact and the fact here is simply failure. I don’t accept excuses and am not interested in reasons as to why a commitment can’t be delivered. Any professional will agree that integrity speaks volumes for ones image, once you compromise that, your reputation loses credibility.
Perhaps some observers of this board will learn valuable ‘pitfalls’ and ‘minefields’ highlighted in aforementioned posts by many respected and sincerely valued contributors. From a management/business/professionalism standpoint indeed lessons can be learned by us all, that’s a success story in itself for me.
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Post by Gray on Mar 3, 2005 0:36:42 GMT
Some of you guys are a hoot--I'm speaking to the Haters, here. What's the reason for this latest anti-Hines explosion? Well, let's see... It's because the budget isn't as big as you thought it was. OOOOOOOOOOHHHH!!!!! ...It's because a small US indie film is going to get a small US release. OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! ...it's because a filmmaker wasn't 100% truthful when marketing a movie. OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Or maybe, just maybe, could it be that it's because you realize that it won't be playing at a cinema near you? Ho-boy. All this extra anger after you've already been kicking the movie to the curb for months. It seems like justice, somehow. There's one good thing: When I go to see it (I'm in Atlanta ), I won't have to put-up with you guys in the cinema.
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Post by Slick2097 on Mar 3, 2005 0:40:34 GMT
Thats what you think, we're all coming over
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Post by Bayne on Mar 3, 2005 0:47:54 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]I expect more people invested a lot more in Hines film because of its claimed accuracy. Still it seems ludicrous the extent to which people have gone on about it. A couple years ago we were all upset because it looked like we'd get NO WotW films. We would have beeen happy with a bad hallmark miniseries!
How petty and jaded have we become now? [/glow]
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Post by I own a cylinder on Mar 3, 2005 0:51:26 GMT
The legions of fans are being prepared as we speak...
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Post by Gray on Mar 3, 2005 1:08:54 GMT
Thats what you think, we're all coming over LMAO! ;D I'm buying at the pub afterwards.
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Post by Ashe Raven on Mar 3, 2005 1:09:56 GMT
The legions of fans are being prepared as we speak... Yeah lucky them They're richer than me And thats why I'm angry, The US is hardly a world wide release. Don't get me wrong I can appriciate veanity publishing and filming, but damn Do I feel cheated
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Post by Ashe Raven on Mar 3, 2005 1:13:38 GMT
It seems like justice, somehow. There's one good thing: When I go to see it (I'm in Atlanta ), I won't have to put-up with you guys in the cinema. How do you figure? I'm British and I supported this movie. I'm glad your happy
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Post by RustiSwordz on Mar 3, 2005 1:17:48 GMT
Ho-boy. All this extra anger after you've already been kicking the movie to the curb for months. It seems like justice, somehow. There's one good thing: When I go to see it (I'm in Atlanta ), I won't have to put-up with you guys in the cinema. well im from Woking the home of Mr HG and his martian brood. Yet there is no sign at all of any plans to mark this film at all let alone show it. And if they keep it only in America then its just an example of someone screwing up somewhere...
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 3, 2005 1:23:55 GMT
It's plain old cabin fever man...
...all they had to do was talk to their fans... and all this speculation/freakery/anxiety/whaever - would never have existed.
lets not get ideas above our station here - we few 'bitchin fellows' skulking about this remote digital neck of the woods far far from mainstream land ain't going to make or break this movie so please let's not be getting all 'ain't we done a bad thing' in expressing our concerns. No one is going to avoid going to one of these 5 art house cinemas because we all bitched and moaned about the FX for a while..
For the record - I never watched the crappy series either...am I doing the directors, producers and stars of that crappy WOTW series a disservice - I don't think so - it's crud and were better off withot it. Had NBC been making a series right now and it was looking crappy I bet you'd all be bitchin off big style.
I think Tim Hines deserves a great deal of applause and merit. on a scale of 1 to 10 he get's 7 for effort on my scorecard. I respect his dedication and his determination but still means I can bitch off about the 3/10 he needs to get right.
Right now people are complaining about the lack of PR - I say they are right to complain - were trying to wake those fellas up - where's the proper trailer - where is the 'ooohh sh*t hot' FX to get the web buzzin.. I mean come on WE ARE JUST WAITING TO LOVE THIS PROJECT...andwe might well love it yet - but not if it ain't going to be seen anywhere...
so pathetic and jaded maybe!! -but 'bitchin off' in eternal hope - DEFINATELY!!
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Post by Gray on Mar 3, 2005 1:37:38 GMT
How do you figure? I'm British and I supported this movie. I'm glad your happy I was speaking about folks who've been attacking the movie relentlessly. Seemed like justice that they wouldn't get to see it. It sucks for everyone else, no doubt. Hold on before you get on me for being happy. Just because Atlanta was on the list doesn't mean that I actually believe it'll show here. I'll probably have to wait on the DVD like everyone else.
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Post by Charles on Mar 3, 2005 1:44:26 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]I expect more people invested a lot more in Hines film because of its claimed accuracy. Still it seems ludicrous the extent to which people have gone on about it. A couple years ago we were all upset because it looked like we'd get NO WotW films. We would have beeen happy with a bad hallmark miniseries! How petty and jaded have we become now? [/glow] Well said. Of course the most vocal and venomous critics are comparatively new to the board and so wouldn't remember how bad it once seemed. Its all about your perspective. But we’re soooo lucky to have people here who care about seeing an authentic adaptation more than the rest, and prove it by pounding us with the same boring arguments over and over again about how badly an upstart indie movie company is screwing the world, while deriding those who realize they really can’t do anything about it and have assumed a 'wait and see' attitude. Its no wonder I’ve heard from several fans recently who are so sick of the intolerant verbal venom pumped out by a few here that they won’t post in the film threads anymore. Soon this board will indeed speak with one voice - because the real majority can’t be bothered to listen to the minority’s smug squawking about what Pendragon 'owes' us, followed by the inevitable expert good advice.
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