PENDRAGON, GET YER FINGER OUT!!!

[notobfukwiv]

I am bewildered, to say the least. I have to say that after scanning web sites etc.. search after search etc etc etc... I can see no evidence of Pendragon's movie being shown on the big screen. That a massive, colossal let down in every regard.

Like a lot of other people, I have eagerly been awaiting some concrete evidence to underline its authenticity. I am forming the opinion that Pendragon are basically taking the p*ss out of genuine WOTW fans. Why can't they be upfront and tell us all as it is without all this boring, tedious speculation, will it be released, won't it, it goes on and on.

It's a pity really because their 'so called version', in my opinion, would appeal to most as it's likened to the book. It is time they took some ownership, leadership, especially Hines, and came clean with what is REALLY happening.

Seems to me that most of 'that' team are out to lunch.

[Topaz]

You should probably read Charles' recent post "Calm before the Storm." From what I understand, he's in a position to know what he's talking about.

[notobfukwiv]

Yeah right. I don't see a great deal being done to fully promote/sell this film. All I see/hear is hype. Proof of the pudding is in the eating, the question is; Will I be tasting it on March 30th? Stop giving opinions and let's see some concrete evidence please.

[EvilNerfherder]

We have no right to demand anything.
Do you really think such a confrontational approach will get anything? Of course not.
Perspective is the key here..
As Wes Craven said once 'It's only a movie..'
Of course, if you have the money, the cast, the crew and the facilities to do the version you want, go for it.
Then we'll constantly badger you for news of where the thing is.
Opinion is all we have for now and we all have to live with that.
So long as it doesn't involve personal or libelous jibes, opinion is welcome here.
Don't worry, as soon as news it released, you'll see it here.

[syrtismajor]

EvilNerfherder said:

We have no right to demand anything.
Do you really think such a confrontational approach will get anything? Of course not.
Perspective is the key here..
As Wes Craven said once 'It's only a movie..'
Of course, if you have the money, the cast, the crew and the facilities to do the version you want, go for it.
Then we'll constantly badger you for news of where the thing is.

Well said. We only have a month to wait anyway, who's up for spending it down the pub? We can all chill out and have a laugh!

[notobfukwiv]

I disagree, strongly. No intention, in any regard, was made for a 'confrontational' approach. No demands have been made only a simple request.

Regards

[themotile]

Topaz said:

You should probably read Charles' recent post "Calm before the Storm." From what I understand, he's in a position to know what he's talking about.

Actualy he says he has spoken to Hines recently but information supplied by Hines hasnt exactly turned into solid gold has it.

Of course Hines will say hes on schedule, hes probably told the investors the same thing, he wont admit problems until he has too.

No disrespect to Charles but he does have a personal investment in this film actualy coming out. So you could say he is biased in regards to PP and Hines.

[notobfukwiv]

The specific points raised by 'the motile' need to be applauded. We can only form opinions on evidence that has been presented and unfortunately I see very little that underlines a release amongst other factors.

Hines, in my opinion, offers hope to many that wish to see this film, myself included. However, when it comes to providing something solid for us to see he hasn't delivered in any regard.

As I have highlighted before in recent posts, opinions, speculation, beliefs etc etc etc have no structure unless we can see unquestionable evidence and again that is severley lacking.

We project and tell people things by WHAT WE DO, not by what we say, think, believe, hope etc...

[Gray]

notobfukwiv said:

Hines, in my opinion, offers hope to many that wish to see this film, myself included. However, when it comes to providing something solid for us to see he hasn't delivered in any regard.

As I have highlighted before in recent posts, opinions, speculation, beliefs etc etc etc have no structure unless we can see unquestionable evidence and again that is severley lacking.

We project and tell people things by WHAT WE DO, not by what we say, think, believe, hope etc...

I understand your frustration at the information vacuum, but that's likely our own fault. Some board members will attack Hines personally for anything he releases. They attack him for what he says; they attack him for what he doesn't say. At this point, they've made releasing info a loose-loose situation. That being the case, there's no incentive to do anything.

It's Pdragon's prerogative to do whatever it wants when it wants, and as Nerf said, we have no right to demand (call it request, if you like) anything. We already know that the film will most likely get a very, very limited cinema release this Spring and then come out on DVD July 15--which is how most of us will end up seeing it.

[Charles]

the said:

No disrespect to Charles but he does have a personal investment in this film actualy coming out. So you could say he is biased in regards to PP and Hines.

And what do you think this “personal investment” would be?

Evidently you know far more about my stakes in this than I do.

[themotile]

Gray said:

I understand your frustration at the information vacuum, but that's likely our own fault. Some board members will attack Hines personally for anything he releases. They attack him for what he says; they attack him for what he doesn't say. At this point, they've made releasing info a loose-loose situation. That being the case, there's no incentive to do anything.

It's Pdragon's prerogative to do whatever it wants when it wants, and as Nerf said, we have no right to demand (call it request, if you like) anything. We already know that the film will most likely get a very, very limited cinema release this Spring and then come out on DVD July 15--which is how most of us will end up seeing it.

Unforunately gray thats not the case, only shoddy, crappy and down right awful stuff has been attacked as have various statements from Hines himself, they havent recieved praise because nothing has been released as yet that has been praise worthy.


As much as you would love to believe it there isnt an anti-Hines club or an anti-Pebdragon club at work on these boards, its just guys dissatisfied with what they have seen so far after being promissed so much.


You still seem to think that anything we post here as any effect on PP or Hines, this is a miss guided and slightly arrogant view of the situation. I assure you we have no effect what so ever on Pendragon Pictures.

[themotile]

Charles said:

And what do you think this “personal investment” would be?

Evidently you know far more about my stakes in this than I do.

You do regard Hines to be a friend do you not?

[Charles]

Answer the question before you ask another.

[McTodd]

syrtismajor said:

We only have a month to wait anyway, who's up for spending it down the pub?

Mmmmmmmmmm... Puuuuuuuub...

[Gray]

the said:

Unforunately gray thats not the case, only shoddy, crappy and down right awful stuff has been attacked as have various statements from Hines himself, they havent recieved praise because nothing has been released as yet that has been praise worthy.

I didn't mention you by name Mot, but now that you mention it, your post does prove my point. Your lack of ironic distance is staggering. In the same breath that you call me arrogant, you proclaim that nothing Hines has released has been praiseworthy. You see your subjective opinion as being absolutely true. Now that's arrogant.

I guess I've taken your bait to turn this personal. Let me get back on-topic. You assure me that your posts have no effect on Pdragon. That may be so. Certainly SS/TC and Pmout are so big that they don't notice our internet beeping and squeeking. With Pdragon, I'm not so sure. Hines seems legit when he says that he's aware that fan expectations are high. The closer I've looked at Pdragon, the smaller their outfit has seemed, and this is the main fan site. No way to prove this, of course. No way to prove it isn't so by denying it, either.

[themotile]

Gray said:

I didn't mention you by name Mot, but now that you mention it, your post does prove my point. Your lack of ironic distance is staggering. In the same breath that you call me arrogant, you proclaim that nothing Hines has released has been praiseworthy. You see your subjective opinion as being absolutely true. Now that's arrogant.

I guess I've taken your bait to turn this personal. Let me get back on-topic. You assure me that your posts have no effect on Pdragon. That may be so. Certainly SS/TC and Pmout are so big that they don't notice our internet beeping and squeeking. With Pdragon, I'm not so sure. Hines seems legit when he says that he's aware that fan expectations are high. The closer I've looked at Pdragon, the smaller their outfit has seemed, and this is the main fan site. No way to prove this, of course. No way to prove it isn't so by denying it, either.

Actualy grey I said

"Unforunately gray thats not the case, only shoddy, crappy and down right awful stuff has been attacked as have various statements from Hines himself, they havent recieved praise because nothing has been released as yet that has been praise worthy."

I dont think that was arrogant at all, its quite true, unless you have seen something that is praise worthy? I'm sure if there was something praise worthy it would have been used as some sort of defence instead of the "wait and see..." or the "we havent seen enough to know...." excuses.

I have laid no bait gray, I didnt make it personal, as much as you might like that. I simply answered in defence of those like myself who have felt no sympathy for Hines so have no misgivings about calling a spade a spade.

But you are quite correct there is no way of knowing if PP or Hines are effected by our postings but think of it this way, would anything I or anyone else post here effect what you would do in the real world? Now add to that the fact that Hines has been in the TV game for a long time and will have a thicker skin than most.

[themotile]

Charles said:

Answer the question before you ask another.

Yes sir!


If you would call Hines a friend then you would want him to do well and you would also want your friends film to be a success, the desire to see your friend do well is a personal investment others do not have. Therefore your view is biased, this is natural and perfectly ok but you seem to have taken offence at it.

[Charles]

You’ve got to be more artful than that if you want to assign characteristics like ‘offended’ to me.

Timothy Hines and I have had friendly communications for some time, but I can’t call him a personal friend; I’ve never even met him and I know next to nothing about him personally. In fact, the magazine story about his lymphoma brought up here recently was a complete surprise to me. But I do know his film well enough to know you are being absurdly arrogant about it. But Gray already summed you up perfectly in this regard.

Its obvious to most on this board why I want this film to succeed…but not to you apparently. So I’ll spell it out yet again:

Wellsians do what they can to promote the life, thought and work of H.G. Wells wherever and whenever we can. You can read whatever you wish into my support of this film and use it to try to discredit my opinion, but at the end of the day this is about H.G. Wells as far as I’m concerned. From what we have all seen, only Pendragon are interested in staying true to the story we know as H.G. Wells’ own, without fabricating an “updated” elaborate star studded framework of SFX to distract us for a couple of hours in the name of entertainment. Pendragon’s effort pays respect to Wells’ original genius in a way no other film or filmmaker has dared.

If being vocal in supporting the film makes me “biased” towards Hines and PP – with the discrediting connotation you clearly are trying to assign - so be it. It also makes you a blind apologist for DreamWorks. And I am quite sure I know far more about Pendragon’s film than you do about DreamWorks’. That is unless you know more than you’re willing to admit. Ahem.

In any case, so be it.

[ulla123]

I completely empathise with Charles' views on the Hines film. COMPLETELY.

But see my post on the "Calm Before the Stoom" thread - the rights that Paramount and Jeff Wayne own are widely know to be complex but it is also widely known that they control TWOTW in relation to film and merchandise - even though the novel is public in USA and Asia (I think).

It's just a fact that Mr Hines/Pendragon won' t be able to get their film out there and, as much as I'd LOVE to see it, because I am a big WOTW fan just like all of you here, the fact is the reason for the silence is not calm before the storm. It's calm before the Paramount movie and the JW album re-release. Full stop.

[themotile]

Charles said:

You’ve got to be more artful than that if you want to assign characteristics like ‘offended’ to me.

Timothy Hines and I have had friendly communications for some time, but I can’t call him a personal friend; I’ve never even met him and I know next to nothing about him personally. In fact, the magazine story about his lymphoma brought up here recently was a complete surprise to me. But I do know his film well enough to know you are being absurdly arrogant about it. But Gray already summed you up perfectly in this regard.

Its obvious to most on this board why I want this film to succeed…but not to you apparently. So I’ll spell it out yet again:

Wellsians do what they can to promote the life, thought and work of H.G. Wells wherever and whenever we can. You can read whatever you wish into my support of this film and use it to try to discredit my opinion, but at the end of the day this is about H.G. Wells as far as I’m concerned. From what we have all seen, only Pendragon are interested in staying true to the story we know as H.G. Wells’ own, without fabricating an “updated” elaborate star studded framework of SFX to distract us for a couple of hours in the name of entertainment. Pendragon’s effort pays respect to Wells’ original genius in a way no other film or filmmaker has dared.

If being vocal in supporting the film makes me “biased” towards Hines and PP – with the discrediting connotation you clearly are trying to assign - so be it. It also makes you a blind apologist for DreamWorks. And I am quite sure I know far more about Pendragon’s film than you do about DreamWorks’. That is unless you know more than you’re willing to admit. Ahem.

In any case, so be it.

Theres nothing nicer to read than when an educated man wraps waffle in silk and passes it off as a counter argument.

You said Hines told you PP were on schedule.


So by that you must mean that WOTW will be out on March 30th.

And you must believe this because you made a thread for it. But its obviously NOT going to be in cinemas world wide on March 30th, you must realise this your an intellegent enough bloke. So you being a wellsian and having a PERSONAL INVESTMENT in this for that reason, and its also reasonable to assume you want Hines to succeed rather than fail, promted you to generate a thread stating that they are on schedule. I see...


Being vocal does not make anyone biased, having inside info and a vested interest makes someone biased.


I cant wait now for March 30th because we have it on good authority that its all on schedule from an un-biased vocal wellsian friend of Hines. nice.