GET OFF PENDRAGON & MR HINES' BACKS

[Gray]

alabaster said:

My "Bad feelings" about the film date from the first teaser, which contained no FX whatsoever, but some of the worst acting and most pointless dialogue I've ever seen assembled. I mean I know there isn't a lot of dialogue in WotW, but honestly, of all the great lines we could have heard;

"This never was a war, any more than there can be a war between men and ants,"

"What has happened?"

"What hasn't? They wiped us out, they simply wiped us out,"

even, "ulla ulla ulla," we get

"It's you! The man from Woking!"

How is that supposed to tell us about an alien invasion? To say nothing of the fact that the guy delivering that line had about as much conviction as a man in a commercial saying, "Are you serious? Only 30 calories?"

Alabaster, your post is soooo 2004. Catch-up with the rest of us, buddy.

Motile, about the time everything erupted, I'd just reread the book for the first time in years and was where you are now. I was looking forward to seeing how Hines interpreted it, and suddenly the all talk was beating-up the movie over accents and a special effect. Not seeing the forest for the trees, I thought.

RossH, Absoluetly. Constructive, honest, criticism is essential. There's been some of that here, but it's been overshadowed by thoughtless, insulting attacks that can be damaging to any artist. I'm sure you wouldn't tell one of your artists that his/her work-in-progress was "crap", even if you thought it was. --And then go on to insult their abilities. That's not criticism; that's something else entirely.

[alabaster]

Alabaster, your post is soooo 2004. Catch-up with the rest of us, buddy.

How exactly? All I've seen so far in the more recent posts is people blaming the bad reaction on the special effects, which aren't an issue for me. The clumsy handling, bad dialogue and wooden acting are my sore points, and that hasn't changed.

I'll admit, we've seen little of the Pendragon version, but we've seen even less of the Spielberg version, and people don't seem slow to slag that off.

[Gray]

alabaster said:

How exactly? All I've seen so far in the more recent posts is people blaming the bad reaction on the special effects, which aren't an issue for me. The clumsy handling, bad dialogue and wooden acting are my sore points, and that hasn't changed.

I'll admit, we've seen little of the Pendragon version, but we've seen even less of the Spielberg version, and people don't seem slow to slag that off.

The first teaser was well slagged back in November 04. See PENDRAGON TEASER TRAILER NOW ONLINE back on p. 7.

General consensus seems to be that there's way too much slagging going on. These pages are becoming all slag and no grown-up discussion, which used to be the reason for coming here. Lately things have stooped down to the level of IMDB. Frankly, the thought of having to read old teaser trailer slag makes me want to spit-up.

[FALLINGSTAR]

If you are genuine cbnuk, and you're really working on Pendragons film - then what a completely unproffesional way to act.

Talking about punching people because they might criticise his animation. Is someone having a bit of a joke at our expense here.

This whole things ridiculous!

[themotile]

Gray said:

The first teaser was well slagged back in November 04. See PENDRAGON TEASER TRAILER NOW ONLINE back on p. 7.

General consensus seems to be that there's way too much slagging going on.

Doesnt that tell you anything? There wouldnt be too much slagging going on if PP hadnt released the stuff actualy being slagged off or if they had rectified the situation with a "real" 30 second trailer of finished, pollished material.

Its a cold hard industry they are in and its not all nicely softly softly, not at all, if your works crap your told its crap and to do it again, if its always crap you end up serving burgers and fries in burgerking. There is no "oh we had best not tell that youg CG artist his work is awful because it might hurt his feelings" mentality, in an ideal world it would be nice but that world does not exist, not in that industry, there is a line round the block of guys ang gals waiting to take that young CG artists place if he doesnt cut the mustard.

If any of you think its been overly harsh on these boards then you better be ready for the real world because if this film is as it looks from the little we have seen then the out side world will rip it to shreds, they have no fan sensibilitys, no loyalties, nothing to curb the acid words of the critics and the film will flop and Hines will be back making adverts for daytime TV.

Our standards are already far lower than the average joe's simply because its WOTW and we are grateful to be seeing it at last and most of us reacted negatively to say the least, how do you think mr average joe is going to react. In its current state this film will never make it in the real world, is it not best to tell PP how it is, honestly and without holding back, for PP's own good?

[Gray]

the said:

Doesnt that tell you anything? There wouldnt be too much slagging going on if PP hadnt released the stuff actualy being slagged off or if they had rectified the situation with a "real" 30 second trailer of finished, pollished material.

Its a cold hard industry they are in and its not all nicely softly softly, not at all, if your works crap your told its crap and to do it again, if its always crap you end up serving burgers and fries in burgerking. There is no "oh we had best not tell that youg CG artist his work is awful because it might hurt his feelings" mentality, in an ideal world it would be nice but that world does not exist, not in that industry, there is a line round the block of guys ang gals waiting to take that young CG artists place if he doesnt cut the mustard.

If any of you think its been overly harsh on these boards then you better be ready for the real world because if this film is as it looks from the little we have seen then the out side world will rip it to shreds, they have no fan sensibilitys, no loyalties, nothing to curb the acid words of the critics and the film will flop and Hines will be back making adverts for daytime TV.

Our standards are already far lower than the average joe's simply because its WOTW and we are grateful to be seeing it at last and most of us reacted negatively to say the least, how do you think mr average joe is going to react. In its current state this film will never make it in the real world, is it not best to tell PP how it is, honestly and without holding back, for PP's own good?

Well.

Is it just me, or does this seem familiar? I feel like I'm trapped in a circular hell of my own making.

Let me get this straight: You think you're giving Hines tough love, slapping him around daily because it's a rough-and-tumble, dog-eat-dog world out there?


...Will someone please call security?

[themotile]

Gray said:

Well.

Is it just me, or does this seem familiar? I feel like I'm trapped in a circular hell of my own making.

Let me get this straight: You think you're giving Hines tough love, slapping him around daily because it's a rough-and-tumble, dog-eat-dog world out there?


...Will someone please call security?

What the fu........security?...Tough love......?

You do have a flair for the dramatic i'll give you that.


I offer no justification for anything I say, if you think anything I say is 'slapping' anybody around then boy oh boy its coffee time my friend as in time to smell it. I say things because its what I see and what I feel, its for nobodys benefit. I slate something because I think its bad, if it also gets the message accross that its not good enough then bravo, but I couldnt care less. Trust me when I tell you I feel no 'love' for Hines and co, tough or otherwise.

I take it you didnt agree with anything I said? So your of the belief that its a nice cosy cotton wool world out there where we are all nice to everybody even when there work is crap, even when we cant make the money we want because there work is sub standard? I see...

Well I am glad you see the world and the movie industry that way and I hope nothing happens to break that particular magic spell.

Its amazing to think some guys actualy think Hines and co gives a rats ass about anything anybody posts here, hes been in the industry long enough to have developed metaphoricaly dark shades and a nice thick skin. And if by some crazy twist anyone at PP does read these boards and gets upset that people are calling their work 'crap' then boo hoo, thats the career they have chosen and they have to live with the critisism good and bad.

Its not a dog eat dog world out there but it is cold and the industry these guys are in your either good or your bad and if your bad your out of a job, because if your bad they cant make money out of you and thats the name of the game.

Now it was clever to divert the debate onto me

"Let me get this straight: You think you're giving Hines tough love, slapping him around daily because it's a rough-and-tumble, dog-eat-dog world out there?"

But we werent talking about why I slate PP where we? No we were talking about the slagging off going on and how it must hurt the little fragile ego's of the FX team or the actors or whoever and it brings us back to the original point. If they hadnt released sub standard tripe in the first place the slagging off wouldnt be happening.

[heruursmith]

To be honest with you Motile - you do come across as being as mad as a meataxe very often. I agree with many people on here that your vile and nasty minded attempts to vilify the PP movie or anyone who stands up for it are incredibly tiresome. When I first noticed the nasty nature of many of your paranoid and insulting posts I sent a message to these boards that criticised it in a general way - as I didn't want to select you personally. But I'm afraid I don't care anymore about your feelings - as your communication style on these boards shows that you have no empathy or ability to see the subjective and incomplete nature of your negative perceptions.

I know some people on here applaud your over the top abusive style as your right to excercise "free speech" and that it is entertaining for them, but I think I'd find a rabbit squeeling as it is slowly roasted over a fire more entertaining and enlightening than your (sometimes) illogical and childish rants.

I have been warned by other members that you are not going to change your reactive and immature style of writing on these boards. But one lives in hope that some glimmer of light might seep through to your brain and that you will find the ability to not be so insulting, rude, negative and mediocre in your writings.

You're a WOTW fan? Get real!

Kamael

[EvilNerfherder]

Right, that's that.
This thread has obviously descended into people dissecting each other's posting styles now and, as such, is completely OT.. AND.. is completely unnecessary and counter-productive.
Thread Closed.