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Post by maniacs on Feb 20, 2005 15:06:17 GMT
Misperceptions are great, Tomohawk allow me to explain a little something..... Hinesy started off this whole thing with exclamations of how briliant its all going to be, he said he had $43 million dollars and the FX where state of the art, he said the actor where hand picked for their abilitys and he said other stuff too but its going onto old ground and I cant be bothered....so there I was all excited about getting war of the worlds, not hollywood standard but at least good enough to be in the cinema. If hines had told the truth and not built it up to be something it clearly is not I wouldnt have made a peep. Some of the stuff I said again and again needed to be said because some where still viewing this as the difinitive version just because it was WOTW which was flawed logic, this view is fading now and you will notice the boards are calmer and more pleasant now that the blinkers are off, this had nothing to do with me I must add but more to do with the wait and see philosophy of the few becaus ethey are waiting and waiting and waiting.....and nothing comes. Fair point, cant argue with that.
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Post by themotile on Feb 20, 2005 19:16:43 GMT
Motile ... i wasn't having a go at you, i was using you for comedic value ..... ;D ;D ;D I dont mind being used and abused Tom I just wanted to clear that up is all. Im not negative about this for no reason, it affected me deeply, not so much now though.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 20, 2005 19:45:03 GMT
Getting stupid now isnt it,oh my fave bit is the quote for why the site is down "Due to a recent upsurge in web traffic totaling in MILLIONS of additional hits per day" millions per day,yeah right.Its getting to the point where thery cant even bullnuts properly. did you ever consider that the site went down right after superbowl sunday, where the SS tv spot debuted, causing millions of web hits to be directed unintentionally to the PP site?
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Post by themotile on Feb 21, 2005 5:47:08 GMT
did you ever consider that the site went down right after superbowl sunday, where the SS tv spot debuted, causing millions of web hits to be directed unintentionally to the PP site? That does make sense. Just another in a long line of mistakes by the ever proffesional Pendragon Pictures.
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Post by paco417 on Feb 21, 2005 12:11:57 GMT
like many of us i was excited at the prospect of a film being produced that will show WOTW as near to how HG Well wrote it. But on consideration of little to no new information coming from pendragon, i have now to wonder will this film ever get released at all? As we all know the supposed release date is 30-3-2005 but will they be ready? will it be a worldwide release? no one knows and that's what bothers me!
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Post by dudalb on Feb 21, 2005 20:30:16 GMT
"That does make sense. Just another in a long line of mistakes by the ever proffesional Pendragon Pictures. "
And that is why I am a total skeptic. Pendragon films has not behaved in a profession way about the marketing and promotion of this film. A professional would not give a release date to the public unless he had a deal signed. A professional would not be totally mum about a film 40 days before it's alleged release date. Keeping things under your hat is one thing, but this is idiotic. Hines makes commericials for a living. There is nothing wrong with that, a lot of filmakers get their start that way.But I have the feeling that Hines knows little about distribution or post production on a feature length picture, and he has gotten in over his head here.
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Feb 21, 2005 21:02:30 GMT
Do you think that WE have built this production up too much on the boards and because we don't know whats happening , it appears too negative...
Most of the posts now appear to be saying that the project is dead in the water, well until I hear to the contrary I shall still remain positive (after all I really cannot be doing with just the SS version this year).
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Post by themotile on Feb 21, 2005 21:17:41 GMT
Do you think that WE have built this production up too much on the boards and because we don't know whats happening , it appears too negative... Most of the posts now appear to be saying that the project is dead in the water, well until I hear to the contrary I shall still remain positive (after all I really cannot be doing with just the SS version this year). It wasnt us that said it was going to be a world wide release with state of the art SFX on March 30th now was it? We know thats a feed of crap, so its no use trying to lay any build up blame on our door, PP did that to themselves.
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Feb 21, 2005 21:35:15 GMT
Yes but we have been feverishly hanging on to that 30 march date .... we have also commented pos/neg on everything pp have done / showed us,
Look how many locked threds there have been over daft arguments over pure speculation...thats all it is speculation.. If thats not us building this up then I don't know what is.
Remember when something is built up to a high level...you may not get what you expected back, look at all the wooharr about the trailer ... people were going mad when it was delayed... and then it appeared and people were disappointed ...but Hines did not say the trailer would contain state of the art SFX, in fact nobody knew what the trailer would contain....so why were we soo disappointed...because we built the trailer up into something it wasn't ....
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Post by themotile on Feb 21, 2005 22:15:12 GMT
Yes but we have been feverishly hanging on to that 30 march date .... we have also commented pos/neg on everything pp have done / showed us, Look how many locked threds there have been over daft arguments over pure speculation...thats all it is speculation.. If thats not us building this up then I don't know what is. Remember when something is built up to a high level...you may not get what you expected back, look at all the wooharr about the trailer ... people were going mad when it was delayed... and then it appeared and people were disappointed ...but Hines did not say the trailer would contain state of the art SFX, in fact nobody knew what the trailer would contain....so why were we soo disappointed...because we built the trailer up into something it wasn't .... You just contradicted your self tom, Hines built it up, we tore it down, how then did we build it up? Most of it was not speculation, it was people stating how bad they thought some of the stuff released was, thats not speculation, speculation would have been saying that stuff before the trailers came out. We are hanging onto a date given to us by PP themselves not only on the web site but they actualy made a "cast messages" to tell us all to be in cineams on March 30th, or would you have us all simply not believe anything Hines says?
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Post by Topaz on Feb 22, 2005 5:02:46 GMT
It wasnt us that said it was going to be a world wide release with state of the art SFX on March 30th now was it? We know thats a feed of crap, so its no use trying to lay any build up blame on our door, PP did that to themselves. Sorry, Mote, gotta disagree with you there. We don't know anything, which is likely why so many people are getting frustrated and venting on these boards. We can guess that the release date is not going to be met, and the lack of an announced distributor is, indeed, becoming disturbing as the days and weeks go by, but there's a huge difference between 'guess' and 'fact'. We'll find out on the 30th. If that comes and goes without a movie in the offing, then some sort of explanation is a reasonable expectation, I believe. But until that day comes, or we hear more from Pendragon, I can't agree that we know anything about the validity of the release date.
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Post by themotile on Feb 22, 2005 12:25:16 GMT
The post was a reply to tomohawk, he said that we the fans had built this film up to be something it is not however I pointed out that it was not us who built up this production it was statements from Hines himself when he stated that it would have a $43 million dollar budget, thats not turned out to be true as its $28 million, he said it would have state of the art SFX, which it does not (Big Ben) he said that the actors where hand picked, they may have been but not for their acting talent, as they have none. Add to that the no so certain March 30th and the fact it WILL NOT be a world wide release any time soon anywhere and you may find my post to accurate given our current knowledge base.
It wasnt "us" who built this film up it was Hines, some of us simply showed it to be what it was without the romance of it being WOTW, and mostly everything Hines has said (barring any supprises from the PP camp) has turned out to a feed of crap. This we know.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 22, 2005 18:28:15 GMT
The post was a reply to tomohawk, he said that we the fans had built this film up to be something it is not however I pointed out that it was not us who built up this production it was statements from Hines himself when he stated that it would have a $43 million dollar budget, thats not turned out to be true as its $28 million, he said it would have state of the art SFX, which it does not (Big Ben) he said that the actors where hand picked, they may have been but not for their acting talent, as they have none. Add to that the no so certain March 30th and the fact it WILL NOT be a world wide release any time soon anywhere and you may find my post to accurate given our current knowledge base. It wasnt "us" who built this film up it was Hines, some of us simply showed it to be what it was without the romance of it being WOTW, and mostly everything Hines has said (barring any supprises from the PP camp) has turned out to a feed of crap. This we know. You're still not giving us anything but rumor and your own opinion. I can't speak to the reality of the budget numbers as I haven't seen those interviews. A trailer does not necessarily give you insight into the SFx appearing in the actual movie. You don't know that until you see the movie. As others have reasonably pointed out, the SFx shown in the trailer could very likely be pre-visualizations, included because the intended finished SFx were deemed unsuitable because of the world events at the time the trailer was being finished. There is no way anyone but someone at Pendragon can confirm or refute that. The skill of the actors is your opinion, and again, you're judging them from tiny scraps of action shown completely without context in a trailer. You, nor anyone else, has any objective evidence that this movie won't be released - locally or worldwide - on March 30th. To state that somehow it's a "fact" that it will not be is absurd, unless you have an inside ear at Pendragon. There is some scanty circumstantial evidence that the release may be delayed, but nothing in the least concrete. The fact of the matter is that we won't know for sure until either Pendragon makes some sort of announcement, or the movie is (or is not) released on March 30th. If it's your opinion that this movie is going to suck, be released late/never, then fine. I have no problem with opinion. Ultimately, your opinion may even prove to be correct. But you're presenting your opinion as fact and chastising people who have different opinions, and to say that "...mostly everything Hines has said ... has turned out to (be) a feed of crap," is bordering on libel, let alone inappropriate to the rules of this forum. As for your post being intended for Tomahawk, if you don't want others to comment upon it, please put it in a PM and don't post it on the public forum. Forgive the admonishing tone, but I'm getting sick and tired of people stating categorically that this or that is a 'fact' concerning this movie, or the Paramount movie for that matter. It's just inflaming people's tempers to no useful end whatsoever. We have little or nothing to go on for either film and hard as it may be, we just have to wait and see what happens.
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Post by themotile on Feb 22, 2005 23:33:07 GMT
It was in answer to a post of tomohawks not meant for him privately, I have no love for the private message. If you look at my post I do say it's accurate based on the information we have up to now, this may change but until it does I stand by what I say.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 22, 2005 23:37:28 GMT
It was in answer to a post of tomohawks not meant for him privately, I have no love for the private message. If you look at my post I do say it's accurate based on the information we have up to now, this may change but until it does I stand by what I say. Whatever. It may be accurate or it may be wrong, but it's your opinion only and you do this entire board a disservice when you try to pass it off as fact. And seriously, stating that Hines is lying demands proof, otherwise you're exposing Rob and this forum to the danger of legal action. If you can prove it, please do so, otherwise please reconsider statements like that.
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Post by themotile on Feb 23, 2005 0:03:33 GMT
Holy smoke Topaz, you do love the drama dont you.
You may notice that there is a disclamer on this site which basicaly says that anything we post has nothing to do with Rob or anyone else, so keep you pantys on.
Until I see anything to the contrary I stand by what I say because I see it as current fact, my interpretation of information laid before me.
I must add I do not preach this, I dont insist anyone else agrees with me, I couldnt care less to be honest, but I will state my opinions and I will state the facts as I see them.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 23, 2005 0:16:45 GMT
because I see it as current fact, my interpretation of information laid before me. Mote, if you can't tell the difference between "fact" and "my interpretation," then there's no point in continuing. I won't even attempt to argue in a situation like that. By the way, little jabs like "keep your pantys { sic} on" are one of the reasons people take offense to some of your posts, as I have just now. I have no doubt you'll rationalize that as our(my) problem, too, but I'll point it out, in the same spirit in which you intended it in the first place.
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Post by Lensman on Feb 23, 2005 10:48:16 GMT
You may notice that there is a disclamer on this site which basicaly says that anything we post has nothing to do with Rob or anyone else, so keep you pantys on. And yet, I noticed a very few days ago that a moderator found it necessary to edit out somone's text, and inserted an admonishment that language of the sort which was deleted could open up this website to a libel suit. And I know you read that, Mottie, because you responded to the moderator's admonishment.
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Post by maniacs on Feb 23, 2005 11:30:02 GMT
The post was a reply to tomohawk, he said that we the fans had built this film up to be something it is not however I pointed out that it was not us who built up this production it was statements from Hines himself when he stated that it would have a $43 million dollar budget, thats not turned out to be true as its $28 million, he said it would have state of the art SFX, which it does not (Big Ben) he said that the actors where hand picked, they may have been but not for their acting talent, as they have none. Add to that the no so certain March 30th and the fact it WILL NOT be a world wide release any time soon anywhere and you may find my post to accurate given our current knowledge base. It wasnt "us" who built this film up it was Hines, some of us simply showed it to be what it was without the romance of it being WOTW, and mostly everything Hines has said (barring any supprises from the PP camp) has turned out to a feed of crap. This we know. I actually thought the acting was ok! I could tell there was an obvious Yanky twang with the artillary man but otherwise it was what I expect from a period drama. But thats what I wanted. Some of them can act and some cant. The wifes 'they may come here'!' actually felt like a proper victorean bird. Damsel in distress mentality. Women then were supposed to feel vulnerable and in need of protection. They were little more than glorified servants. Didn't agree with you there. But you usually have a fair point.
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Post by themotile on Feb 23, 2005 12:32:23 GMT
And yet, I noticed a very few days ago that a moderator found it necessary to edit out somone's text, and inserted an admonishment that language of the sort which was deleted could open up this website to a libel suit. And I know you read that, Mottie, because you responded to the moderator's admonishment. Ahh yes but I did step out of line there and I realized that, I wont repeat it as much as you would like me to and I did apologise for the implication. Thanks for bringing that back up Lensy.
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