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Post by quaderni on Feb 15, 2005 2:26:50 GMT
Actually, I started out thinking that Hines would be uncomfortable to watch and that Spielberg's film would be an extravaganza (though I wouldn't necessarily love it). My assessment of Spielberg has been going down, but I do hold out hope for Hines. We've all seen worse trailers, that's for sure. Besides, though, the fighting machines and handling machines look amazing, and I have to admit the major reason I'll see either films is to see how either director represented Martian technology. Like everyone else here, I've spent far too much time puzzling over Wells's descriptions - and different representations of them - and I am more and more convinced that Hines will do a good job with this aspect, even if it is limited in presentation. For example, I've tried to make the case about his use of metallic sinews/muscular apparatus with the FM as well as the articulated tentacles, which are spot-on, careful readings of Wells's descriptions.
I've said elsewhere that the film no doubt exists and they are probably frantically working on it. I'd like to see them get a high-resolution version of the trailer up, though. They're on record saying the end of March and so it'll be that, no doubt. I think that we'll all see a flurry of activity around March 1st.
I always cheer on low-budget, independent film makers and for that I reason I keep on cheering Tim Hines. And, my God, I hope his health is OK.
As for alienating the 'fan base', I'm not so sure. I keep on thinking of this brilliant SNL episode in which William Shatner unloads at a Star Trek convention. I kinda think our mega-stars and directors feel the same way about WOFTW malcontents! I say this with all good humour, though - and a huge amount of self-deprecation!
Cheers, Quaderni
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Post by Topaz on Feb 15, 2005 6:01:58 GMT
I really am looking forward to seeing both movies. It's going to be very interesting to see how they both interpret the material!
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Post by nervouspete on Feb 15, 2005 18:31:56 GMT
yeah good points, when i said spielberg what i actually meant was paramount, i'm just used to refering to that camp as SS. Fair enough, guv'nor. You're right to be suspicious about Paramount, they are a suss lot! It makes a little sense if you read the synopsis, but the trailer is more about the atmosphere. Shame about the dodgy sound quality, it took me a few listens to make out some of the lines. "You don't want to be where you are now!" "Where's that? The junk room?" "No, trouble!" And Neil Gaiman and Dave McKean are famed for crafting beautiful, strange and vaguely troubling stories. Read his 74 issue haunting opus, "The Sandman" for details, or Dave McKean's splendid 'The Cage', about a struggling artist. Pete P.S: Or read Neverwhere, about tribes under London. Or American Gods. Or Stardust. Or, or, or...
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Post by themotile on Feb 15, 2005 18:51:57 GMT
Fair play Pete, Neverwhere is amazing!
That mirrormask trailer is like a nightmare, thats powerful stuff they have there.
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Post by theheatray on Feb 15, 2005 19:19:23 GMT
Thats what I have bee saying all along...lets just wait I dare say the film will come out eventually , even if it is not 30th March, but I personally cannot see Mr Hines as been stupid,or incompetent enough to not finish the film and get it released. Pendragon knows what happening , and unfortunately we cannot do anything about that but wait and see, no amount of carping, whining , positive thinking, fen shuie, yoga or whatever is gonna change that....unless we all club together and steam down to Pendragons studios and kick some butt.... ;D ;D I think we should, with plackards and everything, WE WANT OUR MOVIE!
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Post by syrtismajor on Feb 15, 2005 19:30:04 GMT
I think we should, with plackards and everything, WE WANT OUR MOVIE! I agree! TO SEATTLE! Anyone know their address?
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Post by theheatray on Feb 15, 2005 19:31:53 GMT
Address......Do'h!
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Post by Ashe Raven on Feb 16, 2005 0:38:48 GMT
So interesting debate
only other than a realese date, what do we know concrete about SS's film other than the limited facts and rumours we already have, mmm?
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Post by theheatray on Feb 16, 2005 1:45:23 GMT
So interesting debate only other than a realese date, what do we know concrete about SS's film other than the limited facts and rumours we already have, mmm? Hi Asheraven Shouldnt that be in the Paramount section? I would point out respectfuly that I think the reason for this thread is that some people are worried that Pendragon Pictures wont meet the March 30th deadline. We cant realy start up a Paramount thread like this because we know what dates it is coming out and that it will be out in most cinemas accross the globe, unfortunately we cant say the same for the project most of us want more though, which is sods law really. We do know quite a lot about the Paramount version though if you stop to think about it, the only things that are sketchy are the general plot details, we wont know the realy cool stuff until we are in the cinema, like the tripod design and the alien design etc...
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Post by Ashe Raven on Feb 16, 2005 1:51:27 GMT
No it's a fair aurgument.
We are as much in the dark about SS's version if not more so than we are about Hine's version, thats my point.
Ironically we do have more information on the Hine's project than we do the Speilberg project. Perhaps more than we should be getting in all honesty.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 16, 2005 1:51:37 GMT
Asheraven is making a point about the Pendragon movie, and a good one at that.
People are so worked up that they "don't have any information" about the release of the Pendragon movie, yet as a comparison, we don't have any more information about the Paramount movie either.
Bit of a double-standard, wouldn't you say?
The lack of information (in either case) really means nothing more than...
A lack of information.
I don't believe you can really draw much more conclusion from it than that. To say that we 'know' that the Paramount version will release on its' announced date and that we 'know' the Pendragon version will not, based upon the same (lack of) evidence for each, isn't really very logical at all.
We'll know what's going to happen with the Pendragon film - good or bad - on March 30th.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 16, 2005 2:03:37 GMT
well, basically you're correct... but the difference is, nobody is afraid that SS won't get his movie distributed. isn't that what Dreamworks does? no reason to worry about that. on the other hand, PP has announced no distributor (i know, that doesn't mean there's not one) but to be this close to release with no distributor announced is worrisome.
but we'll know march 30th, hopefully sooner if the new trailers come at as promised at the end of this month
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Post by theheatray on Feb 16, 2005 2:11:37 GMT
Yeah ok guys no problem, im not arguing with Asheraven or anything its just I dont actualy see the fairness in the comparrison, Paramount are basicaly garanteed to release their version pretty much when they say and we all know it will be in most cinemas when the time comes so it isnt realy fair to draw parallels with Pendragon Pictures even in their defence because we cant realy compare them can we? It wouldnt be fair to Mr Hines.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 16, 2005 2:17:27 GMT
So the problem here - and trust me, there is no sarcasm or hostility intended in this - is our own lack of faith in Pendragon. Pendragon themselves really haven't done anything differently than Paramount, but since they don't have Paramount's track record, we require more proof that they'll fulfill their promises. Natural human reaction, I suppose, but a tad unfair to Pendragon, IMHO. (And guys, regarless of how much I may seem to 'defend' Pendragon, I'll be holding my breath on March 30th, right along with the rest of you. I've always wanted an 'accurate' version, and it looks like our only chance for the forseeable future.)
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Post by theheatray on Feb 16, 2005 2:20:41 GMT
Yes I think thats partly it, but also the lack of actual info other than the one date we've all become fixated on, like will it be out in the UK, if so when? Things like that, its no big deal but it would be nice to have any mild fears layed to rest.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 16, 2005 2:22:31 GMT
... it would be nice to have any mild fears layed to rest. Yep, it would.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 16, 2005 2:25:30 GMT
So the problem here - and trust me, there is no sarcasm or hostility intended in this - is our own lack of faith in Pendragon. Pendragon themselves really haven't done anything differently than Paramount, but since they don't have Paramount's track record, we require more proof that they'll fulfill their promises. Natural human reaction, I suppose, but a tad unfair to Pendragon, IMHO. exactly. and not necessarily unfair to PP imo, because they have yet to prove themselves... everybody has to survive a few rounds through the wringer before anyone can rest assured in their success, its just the way the world works. once PP does prove that they're capable, strong, confident, and we've all seen the movie in theatres, distributed on time, and it kicks major boo-hiney, there will be a LOT less tension revolving around the next movie Hines releases. there is one thing that paramount has done differently... they displayed their distributors name boldly at the beginning of their trailer. PP hasn't done that. just an observation.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 16, 2005 2:27:56 GMT
there is one thing that paramount has done differently... they displayed their distributors name boldly at the beginning of their trailer. PP hasn't done that. just an observation. True on all counts. It's an observation, and a good one. It may mean something 'bad' for us, or it just may demonstrate a Pendragon's lack of experience in doing such things. I really wish I knew.
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Post by quaderni on Feb 16, 2005 2:32:51 GMT
Topaz, I agree with you. I think we're simply watching Pendragon's lack of experience and lack of muscle. And yes, I think Ash is right about the double-standard thing.
Best, Quaderni
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Post by Topaz on Feb 16, 2005 2:35:26 GMT
I think we're simply watching Pendragon's lack of experience and lack of muscle. Absolutely. And I suspect it's probably so 'important' because so many of us have always been dreaming of a 'literal' adaptation of the book. I know I have. The night of March 29th is gonna be H*ll! ;D
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