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Post by maniacs on Feb 13, 2005 19:56:55 GMT
Wow - nice to know that some Europeans are interested!
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Post by heruursmith on Feb 13, 2005 23:45:45 GMT
And a few Kiwis!
I am SO looking forward to this movie - and have been shocked by some of the bilious cynicism that has been directed towards it from one or two people on a WOTW fan site like this one. There seems to have been one or two people (not everyone of course!) in here who take an almost gleeful delight in trying to rubbish everything about this production and dismiss it as a no-starter without any solid or personal knowledge of what is actually going on behind the scenes at Pendragon Pictures.
I am a big Dr Who fan - and I thought that some Dr Who fans could be malicious in their attempts to tear down the new series (or the old one for that matter) with little real reason for concern - but seemingly mainly being driven by a jealous spitefulness at simply being a witness to the new series as a fan nobody...
I know that fans are an important part of any science fiction work, but one or two nasty minded comments that I've read on this site really do take the cake for me! I've never seen such spite and fear-mongering from people who call themselves fans...
If I was Mr Hines I wouldn't want to come and read some of this stuff... Maybe some fans need to lessen their tight grip on this project and let it happen without it being strangled by their ugly fear and insecurity. I know we all have a passion for this project being a success - but for Zarquons sake!!
I registered at this website yesterday hoping to find some celebratory interaction and intelligent discussion of this movie and really was saddened by one or two people's dissmissal of the whole project as a worthless joke...
I am not a "this is great and don't criticise it" type of fan. It's just that we are FANS. We are not witness to the behind the scenes production of this movie in any reallly intimate way. Nor the distribution and marketing of it. So how can we draw such (sometimes) extremely negative conclusions about something of which we have absolutely no REAL or close connection?
If you read interviews with Mr Hines and his production team and the actors etc you get a very clear sense of intelligent and insightful understanding of the movie making process. Not some "Ed Wood" of the 21st century or a lying and incompetent fraud - like some of you have been implying... Jeese grow up some of you...
Kamael
P.S. sorry that this is such a negative first post on here.
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Post by themotile on Feb 14, 2005 10:41:17 GMT
I think your a little missguided there. Let me correct your history...
We ALL were buzzing about this before PP started to release the teasers, even after that the buzz was still there, we were organising a group trip to Woking to see it on March 30th (March 30th! LOL ;D) the real venom started pouring out of myself and others when they released the official theatrical trailer, it was frustrating to see fans accepting such low grade material, even making excuses for it, just because it was WOTW, that to me was just insane.
So if you like the look of that crap thats up to you, but dont imply we are somehow bad just for stating that we dont like it.
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Post by Gray on Feb 14, 2005 12:04:12 GMT
Welcome to the boards Heru. Don't mind Motile. Just think of him as one of those dudes who drives around blasting rap music from his stereo speakers. He won't change the station, and you can't make him turn it down.
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Post by themotile on Feb 14, 2005 12:10:39 GMT
Welcome to the boards Heru. Don't mind Motile. Just think of him as one of those dudes who drives around blasting rap music from his stereo speakers. He won't change the station, and you can't make him turn it down. Gray, your a cheeky monkey but you make me laugh I dont think I said anything that wasnt true or unfair, unlike you, I dont even like rap.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 14, 2005 14:12:10 GMT
I think your a little missguided there. Let me correct your history... We ALL were buzzing about this before PP started to release the teasers, even after that the buzz was still there, we were organising a group trip to Woking to see it on March 30th (March 30th! LOL ;D) the real venom started pouring out of myself and others when they released the official theatrical trailer, it was frustrating to see fans accepting such low grade material, even making excuses for it, just because it was WOTW, that to me was just insane. So if you like the look of that crap thats up to you, but dont imply we are somehow bad just for stating that we dont like it. once again, proof that you're judging the entire movie on the effects alone. sure, you say you're not, but then whats this you just posted? you obviously thought enough about it before the theatrical trailer to try to organize a fan group in woking. then you get a look at the effects, and FLUSH, the entire movie is gonna be crap. how many times do i or anyone have to say it for it to be hammered into your head? effects to not make a movie. trailers do not make a movie. you should know this. remember the ep1 trailer? awsesome no? the ep1 effects? awesome, no? the movie... dire. crap. not worty of the name Star Wars. thats why i'm worried about SS and his project. thats why i'm ready to give PP the benefit of the doubt, because at least they're TRYING to keep the spirit intact.
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Post by Gray on Feb 14, 2005 14:22:43 GMT
Gray, your a cheeky monkey but you make me laugh I dont think I said anything that wasnt true or unfair, unlike you, I dont even like rap. "Unlike you"? --that I write things that are untrue and unfair, or do you mean I like rap? Motile, although I often disagree with you, these boards would be dull without you. Keep up the good work.
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Post by themotile on Feb 14, 2005 15:26:20 GMT
once again, proof that you're judging the entire movie on the effects alone. sure, you say you're not, but then whats this you just posted? you obviously thought enough about it before the theatrical trailer to try to organize a fan group in woking. then you get a look at the effects, and FLUSH, the entire movie is gonna be crap. how many times do i or anyone have to say it for it to be hammered into your head? effects to not make a movie. trailers do not make a movie. you should know this. remember the ep1 trailer? awsesome no? the ep1 effects? awesome, no? the movie... dire. crap. not worty of the name Star Wars. thats why i'm worried about SS and his project. thats why i'm ready to give PP the benefit of the doubt, because at least they're TRYING to keep the spirit intact. You are quite correct, the effects were ultra bad, I agree with you there but that was NOT the only thing wrong with that trailer, I could take it apart for you here and now but i've done it so many times now on other threads that I am sick of repeating my self. Narrative, editing, music, sound FX, singing ghost lady, crap microsoft moviemaker font on the stock footage of WW1 & 2, it goes on and on, the worst thing of all is the fact everyone I know who has seen that trailer has took the piss and laughed at it, it made a laughing stock of the book.
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Post by themotile on Feb 14, 2005 15:29:15 GMT
"Unlike you"? --that I write things that are untrue and unfair, or do you mean I like rap? Motile, although I often disagree with you, these boards would be dull without you. Keep up the good work. Just unfair, I mean rap? Come on dude, thats just knarly
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Post by dudalb on Feb 14, 2005 19:35:15 GMT
"So how can we draw such (sometimes) extremely negative conclusions about something of which we have absolutely no REAL or close connection? " Because anybody with a basic knowledge of the film industry will tell you there is no way in Hell the film will be out on March 30th. Pendragon should be upfront with the fans and say the date will be missed and they do not have a specific release date. It they would be up front about that a lot of the rancor would dissapear. I actully am willing to cut Hines some slack on the quality of the SFX because it is apparent that the footage released is a early version. But on not being honest about such basic information like a beleivable release date, etc, is the gripe I have.
"If you read interviews with Mr Hines and his production team and the actors etc you get a very clear sense of intelligent and insightful understanding of the movie making process." That's debatable. Hines has never made a feature length picture before. He has a background in commericials and industrial films. there is nothing wrong with that...many people in the industry got started that way....but the leap from that to making a feature film is a huge leap, and even if you have knowledge, knowing about something and being able to do it are two different things. IMHO Hines started out with the best of intentions, but got in over his head.
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Post by Tripod on Feb 14, 2005 19:35:33 GMT
Hooray for Mr. Hines and all the people at Pendragon!
Tripod
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Post by Gnorn on Feb 14, 2005 19:39:00 GMT
Hooray for Mr. Hines and all the people at Pendragon! Tripod Hehehe! Yeah! :-) You, Thunder Child and me... the Dutch surely know how to appreciate the good stuff (no pun intended)! :-) -Gnorn
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Post by Anthony on Feb 14, 2005 19:47:56 GMT
Im going to send Pendragon an email to see how things are going, and i will ask them if they have any promotion plans for the coming month.
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Post by heruursmith on Feb 14, 2005 22:44:43 GMT
I take your points. But I noticed when seeing interviews with Peter Jackson r.e. his LOTR movies that often the visual effects (cgi etc) were still being worked on only several weeks before the release date of the movies (I think it was The Two Towers that that interview was specifically relating to). I have also heard George Lucas saying the same thing regarding the new Star Wars prequels. It amazed me that they could still be doing the visual effects only several weeks before the movie being released, as I assumed that there would need to be prints already made of the movie and being distributed around the world for the worldwide release dates before this time. But then again I suppose they didn't want to have copies of the movies already waiting at theatres too long before it was released in case naughty people viewed it and copied it to the internet. So perhaps the release date is possibly unrealistic if the production has hit some snags (e.g. a distributor or effects not yet finished) but the reason I started off with such an emotional rant as my first posting here was that some people have seemed to drawn the worst possible (and extremely insulting) conclusions about the situation rather than being at least a tiny bit open minded. But many many productions hit snags in their production and that doesn't mean that the production is falling apart or going to die. The new Dr Who series for example has had numerous fan forums speculating about it and people trying to provide spoilers or even just tit-bits of news regarding it. A month ago I noticed a thread or two with some rather hysterical reactions (again only from a few people) when someone heard on the grapevine that the production was behind schedule and running over budget. Most people considered this information and then posted responses on the forums that this was not necessarily the end of the world but a common feature of television and film making. But several people (usually the same ones over and over again blaring out extreme negativity and fear in a pavlovian response to any stimulae) started accusing the production team on the new series as being incompetent and that the whole thing was falling apart and that it would never hit the screens etc etc... Of course after a short while people who were actually in the know were able to ask these people to get a grip and lighten up as all was well with the new production - and even when it wasn't well (e.g. cast and directors not getting on well or schedules not being kept) that this is just the way it happens at times. They pointed out that professionals can deal with this and that fan reactions that were over the top in their vehement and scathingly critical cries of " It's all falling apart!" were rather reactive and not using their little grey cells. Again I have to say that I am not one of those blinkered fans of my favourite science fiction loves (e.g. Dr Who or War of the Worlds or Star wars etc) who cannot criticise - or offer an opinion that isn't towing the party line as they say. I am able to see the faults in a production and artistically as well. So I don't have a problem with you having your opinions Motile - jeese if I did I would be a bloody hypocrite and a real jerk! I understand that perception and views are relative - so I was not trying to do any "Don't you have a negative opionion or I will tell you that you are wrong and a moron for thinking that" type of opression of anyone. In fact if we can't be honest and criticise art then what function does art play other than propaganda and acting as an opium of the masses...? Good art and movies often makes us ask the hard questions of the creator of it - and also of ourselves I think. That is why I like movie making that deals with themes and symbolism that touches me and makes me feel something challenging or new... So for that reason SFX can be less important than good dialogue and plot and characterisation. I am not excusing bad production values (even though I am a Dr Who fan ) but I have to agree that there are many many movies with incredible sfx cgi etc that are lacking in any real emotive power or meaning or spirit. As some people have pointed out (and was apparent to me when viewing the trailer) some of the effects were works in progress. I really do think that when people accuse Tim Hines of using the Tsunami as an excuse to show footage in the trailer that was under par and that he was simply lying to gain time were being very vulgar and perhaps not realising how insulting and nasty that sounds? His comments on not wanting to show people "suffering in the water" at that time seemed to me to be heartfelt and genuinely compassionate. He did after all say that the re-edit of the trailer would not affect the movie in the end... Anyway - thanks for providing a forum r.e. WOTW. I was looking for one for ages til I found this site! Warm regards Kamael
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Post by dudalb on Feb 15, 2005 1:30:52 GMT
Jackson had millions of dollars and a huge staff so he could rush a job to completion within a few weeks. Pendragon has neither. They do not have the resources for last minute push the way the Jackson did. Its not so much they are slipping the date the bothers me and a lot of people, but that they are not being upfront about it. As far as quality goes, I am a lot more worried about some of the acting in the clips then the SFX. Time and money can fix the SFX, but not a bad performance.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 15, 2005 2:22:58 GMT
well, hines did mention that two new trailers were due at the end of february. if those don't show up, then i will start to seriously worry.
however, if we actually do get those new trailers, it will most likely settle some things definitely, such as the overall quality of CG to expect, and possibly a glimpse into more acting. possibly we will be able to get a better idea of if the movie will just be utter crap, as a lot of people tend to believe, or if it just might be worth watching.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 15, 2005 2:35:12 GMT
Nicely said, heruursmith. (And welcome, by the way!) I sincerely hope that Pendragon produces a very nice adaptation of the book, and that they release it per their announced schedule. Same holds true for the Paramount/Spielberg film. I'm going to see them both, and I'll form my judgements then.
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Post by Lensman on Feb 15, 2005 7:42:40 GMT
The new Dr Who series for example has had numerous fan forums speculating about it <snip> several people (usually the same ones over and over again blaring out extreme negativity and fear in a pavlovian response to any stimulae) started accusing the production team on the new series as being incompetent and that the whole thing was falling apart and that it would never hit the screens etc etc... ...unlike, of course, anyone in *this* forum... ;D
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Post by Topaz on Feb 15, 2005 8:04:33 GMT
Oh Lensman, you evil genius you. ;D
Seriously, it seems the moderators are back and giving of time they honestly don't have to get this place back on the straight and narrow. Things seem to be calming down a bit.
Thanks, Mods! ;D
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Post by Ashe Raven on Feb 15, 2005 16:09:20 GMT
well, hines did mention that two new trailers were due at the end of february. if those don't show up, then i will start to seriously worry. however, if we actually do get those new trailers, it will most likely settle some things definitely, such as the overall quality of CG to expect, and possibly a glimpse into more acting. possibly we will be able to get a better idea of if the movie will just be utter crap, as a lot of people tend to believe, or if it just might be worth watching. Feubary has to be the do or die or come clean month, he has 13 days left. I hope he does on or the other. As I said, I'd rather a delay than a rush job.
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