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Post by flynnsixtysix on Feb 7, 2005 21:42:26 GMT
tomo - don't go there man - that's how I started out - I was convinced it was all a hoax - then I came to realise it was just hines brand of camp and I'd mistaked it for piss taking satire... I think it was that shot of the teeny weeny little horse and trap that started me on the road to disbelief...have you seen how small that pony and trap - even today I chortle... I believe they reduced it digitally like jackson did in LOTR www.pendragonpictures.com/WOTWpic5.html
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Feb 7, 2005 21:44:55 GMT
btw there was a listing in empire this month - it suggested spielberg was going to make one 'really bad ass alien movie before *he hangs it all up for good* !!! so it ain't going to be no slouch - I really don't think SS is worrying about Hines flock of pantomime show ponies muscling in on his patch...in fact they may well use hines trailers to keep up morale on the set...
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Post by themotile on Feb 7, 2005 21:51:04 GMT
On the set of SS WOTW: Why so down boys? Says Steven Its getting too much Mr spielberg, your pushing us too hard.... No no boys here look at this, heres something to cheer you up...........
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Post by themotile on Feb 7, 2005 21:55:31 GMT
Look dear, a martian. Oh yes, shall we invite him to tea? Oh no dear, I dont think its in the budget.....
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Post by Gray on Feb 7, 2005 21:57:06 GMT
Maybe it would help if Hines would not make grand claims that it will be in cinemas March 30th, even the "cast messages" conveyed the impression that it was on a par with a big budget distribution with statements like "come join us on March 30 in a cinema near you, look forward to seeing you". I think even the actors thought it was bigger than it was. Chrome was due out 2003, its now got no release date, will WOTW go the same way? I agree with Motile on this one. Hines seems a sort of P.T. Barnum "This'll be the greatest show on earth!" character. All his big talk has raised expectations to something that just isn't achievable by such a small production. I think most of us here are behind him and wish him the best; I'm rooting for him and hope to own the DVD eventually, but for some reason he doesn't seem willing to be square with the fan base. I can't imagine what he thinks he has to gain with all the bluster. It makes him appear contemptuious of his audience. I think this has worked against him, at least on these boards.
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Post by themotile on Feb 7, 2005 21:59:42 GMT
I agree with Motile on this one. Hines seems a sort of P.T. Barnum "This'll be the greatest show on earth!" character. All his big talk has raised expectations to something that just isn't achievable by such a small production. I think most of us here are behind him and wish him the best; I'm rooting for him and hope to own the DVD eventually, but for some reason he doesn't seem willing to be square with the fan base. I can't imagine what he thinks he has to gain with all the bluster. It makes him appear contemptuious of his audience. I think this has worked against him, at least on these boards. Agreed. At last the voice of reason! We are behind a low budget project but we wont be fibbed to.
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Feb 7, 2005 22:01:54 GMT
"I say dear I seem to have got my ear caught in your hairgrip. Be a luvvy and set me free..." "I beg your pardon sir..please repeat yourself..."
"I said ....I WANT TO BREAK FREE...I WANT TO BREAK FREE FROM ...
well, you know how the song goes...
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Feb 7, 2005 22:04:07 GMT
What if Mr Hines is really SS under a pen name so to speak, ooo taking us for fools purposely making a failure as to lure us to see his version X files arrrrgh I must admit I've thought something similar to that as well. Suppose Spielberg and Cruise invented this Hines character so that a certain Mr Hines would make a crappy faithful version of W.O.T.WORLDS. Fans would go and see that - be totally appalled and then say to each other -"Well maybe Spielbergs won't be so bad after all". But then again how does one explain the fact that before 9/11 Pendragon were supposed to be making a modernised version. Unless Spielberg and Cruise would have done that anyway with Pendragons modernised version.
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Post by themotile on Feb 7, 2005 22:13:59 GMT
Pendragon had loads of cool stuff done for the first version, sets were built, CG animatics were done for the martians ans FM's they even went out to forrest fires to film the fire for SFX scenes. Why then did they suddenly throw it all away wasting millions over a high minded ideal? No investor would have accepted that excuse, they would have said 9/11 may arse! The only reason is that they lost the right to make it to paramount. Thats it full stop. Its been down hill ever since.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Feb 7, 2005 22:41:47 GMT
Pendragon had loads of cool stuff done for the first version, sets were built, CG animatics were done for the martians ans FM's they even went out to forrest fires to film the fire for SFX scenes. Why then did they suddenly throw it all away wasting millions over a high minded ideal? No investor would have accepted that excuse, they would have said 9/11 may arse! The only reason is that they lost the right to make it to paramount. Thats it full stop. Its been down hill ever since. Motile did you actually see any of Pendragons sets or cg animatics before 9/11? Or them filming the forest fires? The 9/11 thing might or might not be true but it's perfectly plausible that they changed the films setting because of 9/11. Certain other film companies altered things.
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Post by twistedrabbit on Feb 7, 2005 22:48:56 GMT
Commenting on the pony...I don't think it's a digital effect...it's not a pony, it looks more like a miniature horse (a mini)--which technically is a pony, but at that small size it gets a new classification as well.
Why they're making that poor thing haul their asses around is beyond me. Poor lil' guy.
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Post by themotile on Feb 7, 2005 22:59:16 GMT
Motile did you actually see any of Pendragons sets or cg animatics before 9/11? Or them filming the forest fires? The 9/11 thing might or might not be true but it's perfectly plausible that they changed the films setting because of 9/11. Certain other film companies altered things. All you have to do is search for articles from 2002 about the PP WOTW and its all there, you wouldnt be calling Mr Hines a lier now would you? They used some of the sets for Chrome but thats about it, they had the effects house that did Enterprise effects complete loads of CG that was just binned. Its all there dude, just look for it. Come on dude, you dont just swollow that do you? No film maker throws a project in the bin for an out side event like a disaster. Spider man took out the trade centre but they didnt throw it all in the bin. nobody else cancelled production on anything, postponment of televisation yes but not full on abortion, no way dude it just doesnt happen. The investors are driven by cold hard buisness, centament doesnt come into it. The production was 4 years off dude, 3 at the least, they had a cast, everthing was in place, everthing. Then BANG in the bin it went, they blame 9/11, at the time nobody questioned it but now its all cooled down you can see through the bullsh*t. It was canned the same time paramount wanted the project for Spielberg, get it? That why PP has gone to crap dude it wrecked them, they wernt big enough to handle the losses incured, they were betting on revenue from Chrome but no distributer was found and it left WOTW high and dry.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Feb 7, 2005 23:31:33 GMT
All you have to do is search for articles from 2002 about the PP WOTW and its all there, you wouldnt be calling Mr Hines a lier now would you? They used some of the sets for Chrome but thats about it, they had the effects house that did Enterprise effects complete loads of CG that was just binned. Its all there dude, just look for it. Come on dude, you dont just swollow that do you? No film maker throws a project in the bin for an out side event like a disaster. Spider man took out the trade centre but they didnt throw it all in the bin. nobody else cancelled production on anything, postponment of televisation yes but not full on abortion, no way dude it just doesnt happen. The investors are driven by cold hard buisness, centament doesnt come into it. The production was 4 years off dude, 3 at the least, they had a cast, everthing was in place, everthing. Then BANG in the bin it went, they blame 9/11, at the time nobody questioned it but now its all cooled down you can see through the bullsh*t. It was canned the same time paramount wanted the project for Spielberg, get it? That why PP has gone to crap dude it wrecked them, they wernt big enough to handle the losses incured, they were betting on revenue from Chrome but no distributer was found and it left WOTW high and dry. I think I've seen just about every article on Pendragon since 2001 as I usually manage to get my hands on most of the sci fi and film mags. The thing is though, there's a big difference between seeing an article in a magazine than having or seeing actual evidence of the things that are being said. I'm certainly not calling Mr Hines a liar - far from it, but the fact is unless you or I were there when they were filming the forest fires - or you or I have seen them working on this film then we don't really know what's been going on. The concept designs that we've all seen could have been done by anyone and I might be wrong but I also can't recollect seeing any footage by Foundation Imaging, just names like Ron Thornton being mentioned and the fact that Pendragon were supposed to be in discussions with them. There's also some comments about Pendragon over at A.I.C.NEWS that are worth taking in to consideration. Films like Spiderman might have only taken the WTC out and not stopped filming entirely or totally rearranged things, but that's a totally different type of film to a film about a World War. Which seemed like a real possibility back then. And Pendragon didn't cancel the movie [ as far as we know ] they just altered the setting. Again all I'm saying is that we just don't know.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 7, 2005 23:32:46 GMT
Without jumping into the argument as to whether the movie should be delayed - I personally don't have enough information yet to make that call - the statement that Chrome has gone from a firm release date to 'no date mentioned' is giving me a little bit of the shivers.
The way their site is laid out, Chrome seems to be their flagship project. If it's gone into 'indefinite release', then I just started to get a little nervous about TWOTW. Unless, of course, they realized from all the letters and buzz they've gotten that TWOTW is potentially a bigger money-maker and Chrome went on the back-burner to accomodate work on 'our' movie. *mumbles fervent prayer to the Gods of Cinema*
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Post by quaderni on Feb 7, 2005 23:49:19 GMT
I read, somewhere, in an interview that Hines wanted to finish and release _The War_ and then RETURN to what he called 'the Chrome project'. In other words, they delayed Chrome so they could make the War.
This is just my sense - for whatever its worth, and it's just an uninformed opinion - but I do think they're staking everything in their little company on _The War_; Pendragon will live or die based upon this film. But I guess that's clear to all of us on this forum, so I'm not saying anything new!!!
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Post by themotile on Feb 8, 2005 1:19:37 GMT
I think I've seen just about every article on Pendragon since 2001 as I usually manage to get my hands on most of the sci fi and film mags. The thing is though, there's a big difference between seeing an article in a magazine than having or seeing actual evidence of the things that are being said. I'm certainly not calling Mr Hines a liar - far from it, but the fact is unless you or I were there when they were filming the forest fires - or you or I have seen them working on this film then we don't really know what's been going on. The concept designs that we've all seen could have been done by anyone and I might be wrong but I also can't recollect seeing any footage by Foundation Imaging, just names like Ron Thornton being mentioned and the fact that Pendragon were supposed to be in discussions with them. There's also some comments about Pendragon over at A.I.C.NEWS that are worth taking in to consideration. Films like Spiderman might have only taken the WTC out and not stopped filming entirely or totally rearranged things, but that's a totally different type of film to a film about a World War. Which seemed like a real possibility back then. And Pendragon didn't cancel the movie [ as far as we know ] they just altered the setting. Again all I'm saying is that we just don't know. Of course it was cancelled, the whole cast were American, the sets were in America, they had all sorts of investments over there in this movie, to alter the setting meant a completely different movie all together with a new cast, new sets, in a completely different country with different research. You just cant suddenly make fundamental changes on that scale and say the original project isnt cancelled, just as you cant blame 9/11 for it either when the release date would have nothing at all to do with it, is 9/11 stopping Spielberg from making it? No. Is 9/11 stopping any films with big detruction scenes being made? What about last year? No. Yet WOTW was only due out last year and probably would have been delayed until this year, what has that got to do with 9/11? Nothing at all, if you invested millions into this project would you have sanctioned the project abortion with the 9/11 excuse even though it wasnt being released for years? NO. Pendragon lost the rights, plain and simple.
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Post by ulla123 on Feb 8, 2005 5:46:08 GMT
Pendragon never had the rights. They are divided up between JW and Paramount. Full stop.
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Post by Topaz on Feb 8, 2005 7:06:49 GMT
I positively HATE that I may be stoking fires here but I just read that CHROME finished live-action photography in 200 2. And that TWOTW (1898 version) was originally supposed to be released in 2004. I know there's masses and mountains of CGI in CHROME, but three years? www.scifi2k.com/misc_html/warworlds/press_release7.html
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Post by HTT on Feb 8, 2005 11:53:45 GMT
As I understand it, Chome was almost finished, and War was getting started. The backers (based in Seattle) wanted it set there, so Tim had the budget to do the movie, but not as he wished (ie set in London). Once 9/11 scared the backers off a modern version, Tim dumped Chrome to concentrate on his ultimate dream movie. Once War is complete, he'll then go back to Chrome and finish it off.
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Post by themotile on Feb 8, 2005 15:40:14 GMT
As I understand it, Chome was almost finished, and War was getting started. The backers (based in Seattle) wanted it set there, so Tim had the budget to do the movie, but not as he wished (ie set in London). Once 9/11 scared the backers off a modern version, Tim dumped Chrome to concentrate on his ultimate dream movie. Once War is complete, he'll then go back to Chrome and finish it off. With all due respect and in good humour, bollocks! Pendragon had already invested MILLIONS into the first version of WOTW, they would not have abandoned it unless they had a very good reason for the investors. 9/11 was not a good reason due to the plain simple fact the release date was YEARS off, it wasnt even going to be close th 9/11, if that were a valid reason all disaster flicks would be cancelled, Spielberg wouldnt be making his version, you would have the new Battlestar Galactis which showed nuclear war. Pendragon changed the project, canning the original, at the exact time Paramount wanted the project for themselves. in 2002/2003. Chrome was anounced as finished and due out 2003. It never came. It wasnt put on a back burner it was just put in limbo due to a distribute not being found to carry the project, this is fact and there is an article about in online dated early 2004. Just google it. The whole thing was a mess but nothing to ashamed off and certainly not worth fibbing to the fan base about.
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