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Post by DanMacK on Jun 8, 2005 18:16:13 GMT
Only major difference I can see is the colouring, but she's a nice looking vessel, even in this state. This scene is fdefinitely going to be one of the highlights of the film. I just wonder if the "Thunder Child" music will be playing in the background. This would be one of the best spots for narration as well IMHO, do it sort of like a flashback, the Narrator remembering what happened.
Regards, Dan M.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jun 10, 2005 15:12:38 GMT
Is the picture of the thunderchild fully textured and rendered, cos in the musicla it is an iron clad and its obviously grey, though in this shot its not an iron clad and its black, this confuses me. Looks like a preliminary shot. The CGI model is an approximation of a typical British predreadnought battleship, as is Michael Trim's painting. Wells, as I've noted elsewhere, continued to refer to battleships as 'ironclads' as late as 1907's 'The War in the Air', by which time HMS Dreadnought was in service. As for colouring... During the late Victorian period, battleships had black hulls, white upperworks and buff (pale yellow, or straw) funnels. There were minor variations upon this theme, uniform paint schemes not being introduced until the early 20th century. Around 1902/03, this livery was abandoned in favour of a more warlike grey (rather like the way army uniforms changed around this time). Oddly, HMS Polyphemus (the only British torpedo ram ever built) was grey from the outset, and she set to sea in the early 1880s. This model shows the classic Victorian livery:
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Post by Stuuullaaa on Jun 10, 2005 18:28:36 GMT
Stupid question, and unrelated, but how do you get everything earlier H_C? Not only do I know Jeff but I am also a representitive of Jeff Wayne from moderator on his site to being the only company in the UK licensed to sell his 'official' merchandise at shows throughout the U.K. Yeah, so don't mess - ALRIGHT!!!! ;D
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Post by theredweed on Jun 10, 2005 18:48:42 GMT
Cheers Todd I did wonder, Thought it looked a little unfinshed, plus I was not aware of the colouring of the ironclad ships being anything but grey, so cheers for the "now your stood corrected" he he. and I do stand corretced
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jun 10, 2005 19:40:20 GMT
Oh, having little knowledge about the colour scheme of Victorian warships is nothing to be ashamed of, there are far more interesting things in life to be getting on with!
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Post by theredweed on Jun 10, 2005 21:39:05 GMT
I shall stop hanging my head in shame them
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 10, 2005 23:14:35 GMT
Mike Trim does talk to us about the type ships that THUNDER CHILD was based upon on in the Q&As coming soon.
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Post by theredweed on Jun 10, 2005 23:22:49 GMT
I was the 1,000 view
sorry its 12.10 midnight in britian i've been awake since 6.30am
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Post by martocticvs on Jul 5, 2005 9:39:00 GMT
Wells called it an Ironclad wrongly. Ironclads were wooden hulled ships with a layer of iron armour effectively strapped to the outside (ie clad in iron). Ships from HMS Warrior (1860) onwards were iron hulled, not clad. The term 'torpedo ram' also refers to the hull shape, specifically at the bow. More accurately they were ram bows, but they were very prominent and quite sharp on ships contemporary with the Canopus class, as ramming ships was considered a plausible naval tactic at the time. Colour scheme as has been mentioned was black hull / white superstructure.
From what you can see of it, it looks pretty accurate to me - it's only R&D anyway I guess so I'm sure it will be even better in the end.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 5, 2005 10:20:26 GMT
Wells called it an Ironclad wrongly. Ironclads were wooden hulled ships with a layer of iron armour effectively strapped to the outside (ie clad in iron). Ships from HMS Warrior (1860) onwards were iron hulled, not clad. The term 'torpedo ram' also refers to the hull shape, specifically at the bow. More accurately they were ram bows, but they were very prominent and quite sharp on ships contemporary with the Canopus class, as ramming ships was considered a plausible naval tactic at the time. Colour scheme as has been mentioned was black hull / white superstructure. From what you can see of it, it looks pretty accurate to me - it's only R&D anyway I guess so I'm sure it will be even better in the end. HMS Warrior was, indeed, completely built of iron, but she was still referred to as an ironclad, as were all armoured battleships (both by naval officials and naval architects as well as the public) until the 1880s. Only the very earliest ironclads of other nations had wooden hulls - in Britain's case, because of her superior industry, she built iron-hulled ironclads from the off (though a small group of second class ironclads with wooden hulls was built after Warrior simply to use up some hulls already on the stocks). And the term remained in popular usage until the 1890s, so Wells's use of it in 1897, whilst verging on anachronistic by then, was not completely wrong. The term 'torpedo ram' is a very specific term and does not refer to the type of hull. It refers to a particular warship, HMS Polyphemus, which was an experimental vessel which, if successful, would have formed the basis for a new warship type. In the event, technological developments overtook her and she remained a one-off. As you mention, all large warships were equipped with ram bows, which were especially strengthened. As a functional feature they were abandoned some time during the 1890s. The Victoria disaster of 1893 was pretty well the final nail in the coffin for ramming as a tactic and the true ram bow as a design feature, although the shape was retained until the Great War for aesthetic reasons.
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