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Post by mctoddridesagain on Apr 1, 2005 21:01:03 GMT
Right, my new found zen-like calm ends now. Over on eveofthewar's forum you'll find this message from Peter Fussey, the talented chap who recently completed a superb painting of the Thunder Child battle. He had offered to produce it as an A2 poster at cost, but he's now fallen foul of Jeff Wayne's lawyer/trained vulture: eveofthewar.sytes.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=82&st=60&p=2621&The text of Peter's post reads as follows: You can see Peter's new disclaimer at the foot of his painting here: www.calibra.eclipse.co.uk/eve/images/peter_fussey_newimage.jpgYou'll be able to read my response on that thread under my old name of McTodd (cunning, eh?) so I won't bore you with it here. Suffice it to say that I am utterly sickened by this petty bullying.
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Post by Gerkinman on Apr 2, 2005 7:33:49 GMT
another vicitim of Waynes lawyers lol
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Post by RustiSwordz on Apr 2, 2005 12:15:28 GMT
Wayne has War of the Worlds and hes not gonna let go.
Bit pathetic really.
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Post by Thunder Child on Apr 2, 2005 19:28:29 GMT
Pathetic indeed!!
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Post by krys666 on Apr 2, 2005 19:38:03 GMT
Oh no! I said "Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of The War of the Worlds" out loud in the highstreet, oh no! Run to the hills! He're come the vultures!!! And I think I see a few sharks too!
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Apr 4, 2005 12:50:23 GMT
. . . but who are we to question copyrights.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Apr 4, 2005 12:51:42 GMT
Just fans who don't appreciate seeing another fan leaned on, that's all.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Apr 4, 2005 12:54:12 GMT
. . .until the fan then wishes to release said image as a print/poster for sale, then copyright comes into it.
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Post by David Faltskog on Apr 4, 2005 13:12:05 GMT
Is it true Jeff has started wearing Jackboots and marching around his garden shouting at the daisy's? He better be careful he does,nt alienate the very people he want's to buy his tat by slapping copyright orders on everyone and everything just because it has three legs and goes ULLA. Good luck to Peter Fussey and a big to JW. Poor H.G.Wells. D.F.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Apr 4, 2005 13:17:52 GMT
Amazing how people overreact to a 'second' hand story
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Post by David Faltskog on Apr 4, 2005 13:19:10 GMT
How is it "second hand"?
D.F.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Apr 4, 2005 13:20:44 GMT
Because you don't know the 'full' story, only by what you read on here or the other board.
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Post by HTT on Apr 4, 2005 13:24:10 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]I can see Jeffs point on retaining his products integrity, but I thing he's onto a wrong'un here! Then again, is it really on Jeff's behalf, or some Lawyer trying to keep himself busy? "Look Jeff - you NEED to keep me employed! Look at how busy I am protecting your work! Give me more money!"
Personally, I can't see any resemblance to a Trimm tripod anywhere. Nor can I see any semblance in the positioning of the tripods/thunderchild to Trimms painting. I could understand if the positioning was the same, with a different tripod, or different positions with Trimm tripods, but this image is totally different in every respect!
On what grounds is the lawyer crying "Copyright infringement!"? Does this mean than no-one can reproduce their own interpretation of the Thunderchild confrontation? [/glow]
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Post by David Faltskog on Apr 4, 2005 13:28:15 GMT
He'll be sueing H.G.Wells next. ;D "HOW DARE HE WRITE A SCENE IN HIS BOOK PORTRAYING MY BELOVED THUNDERCHILD" jeff bellowed as his trousers fell down. ;D D.F.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Apr 4, 2005 13:30:24 GMT
Maybe your looking to closely, maybe its NOT the entire image, maybe its not the image at all.
Jeff owns the copyright of TWOTW for those countrys where it is not public demain. Part of the copyright includes the book and its contents - which mean chapters/chapter names - Thunder Child.
What ever the position is between the artist and the copyright owner, it has nothing to do with us, so whats the piont of having this overheated debate. Let them get on with it and sort it out.
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Post by David Faltskog on Apr 4, 2005 13:36:16 GMT
WOW, the "Eve of the War" site is gonna get sued out of exsitance then if old Jeff start's wearing his big pant's and getting snippy. D.F.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Apr 4, 2005 13:39:02 GMT
Maybe your looking to closely, maybe its NOT the entire image, maybe its not the image at all. Jeff owns the copyright of TWOTW for those countrys where it is not public demain. Part of the copyright includes the book and its contents - which mean chapters/chapter names - Thunder Child. What ever the position is between the artist and the copyright owner, it has nothing to do with us, so whats the piont of having this overheated debate. Let them get on with it and sort it out. Yes, it is one side of the story - I pointed out what the artist wrote, which you haven't refuted, merely glibly remarking, 'Amazing how people overreact to a 'second' hand story'. Yes, that artist did want to sell his poster to other fans, but it was hardly a commercial scale operation. And no, I can't see how Wayne can claim the image infringes on his copyright in this case when he clearly hasn't done anything against, say, David Hardy, a well-known commercial artist who has also (twice) painted Thunder Child scenes. Finally, yes, it is for the artist concerned and Wayne to argue the case, if they so wish - at the same time, I'm perfectly within my rights to express an opinion on the matter, even if you think it's bollocks. After all, what's the 'point' of discussing anything at all on this site? None of it changes anything, but some people may find it of idle interest.
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Post by HTT on Apr 4, 2005 13:40:42 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]I assume PF was going to sell his image as a poster under the title "The Thunderchild Battle" hence the metaphorical soiling of the copyright trousers.
Perhaps if he called it "The Warship Fights back" and ensured the name isn't shown on the prow, he wouldn't have got his collar felt?
As McTodd says, some of us are mildly interested - if only to ensure that we don't fall foul of the same problems with our own works.[/glow]
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Apr 4, 2005 13:53:02 GMT
Yes, it is one side of the story - I pointed out what the artist wrote, which you haven't refuted, merely glibly remarking, 'Amazing how people overreact to a 'second' hand story'. Yes, that artist did want to sell his poster to other fans, but it was hardly a commercial scale operation. And no, I can't see how Wayne can claim the image infringes on his copyright in this case when he clearly hasn't done anything against, say, David Hardy, a well-known commercial artist who has also (twice) painted Thunder Child scenes. Finally, yes, it is for the artist concerned and Wayne to argue the case, if they so wish - at the same time, I'm perfectly within my rights to express an opinion on the matter, even if you think it's bollocks. After all, what's the 'point' of discussing anything at all on this site? None of it changes anything, but some people may find it of idle interest. Who said you were not in your rights to express an opinion?, thats not what were talking about here, copyright is what we seem to be disscusing, not rights of opinions. I think enough has been said about the board about copyright owned by whoever, Im sure its sunk in by now.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Apr 4, 2005 13:54:30 GMT
I never said you denied my right to express an opinion, but you have doubted the wisdom of my expressing my opinion, which is a different thing.
Granted, it's the 'wanting to sell the image as a poster' that's fallen foul of the copyright jackals, so as long as no other fan works are sold, fine and dandy.
It does, however, strike me as overkill, and bullying, even if it is completely legal.
Call me old fashioned, but at the end of the day I find the sight of a world-famous rich bloke's highly-paid lawyers leaning on a fan who wants to sell a few posters of his own work at cost just a tad distasteful.
I've said all I have to say on the matter, and my most recent remarks have only been in reply to you anyway - if other people have wanted to chip in, that's their prerogative, it's nothing to do with me.
That's it, end of story, schtum.
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