panicinthestreets
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'Then the guns spoke again, but this time, the Heat Ray sent them to oblivion...'
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Post by panicinthestreets on Mar 17, 2005 15:51:37 GMT
I was listenig to JW WOTW yesterday and it struck me how utterly stupid the Artilleryman's plan was to create a 'Brave New World' underground. I mean, I know he was going a bit mad bcause of what happened, but still.
It actually gets me quite irate as is ideas are so dumb, i mean, how is he gonna light and heat the sewers? Is there enough space downthere? Are there enough people that are gonna be bothered to start it?
But maybe that was the idea, that the tragedy that had befallen mankind was so great that it would lead men to think these crazy ideas?
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Post by djmatt82 on Mar 17, 2005 16:09:35 GMT
yeah, but the Artilleryman was every so slightly insane if you notice......
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 17, 2005 16:29:47 GMT
Its enough to drive anyone insane, hanging about Wimbledon Common and having 'The Wombles' as friends.
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Mar 17, 2005 22:51:24 GMT
If it is good enough for the Ninja Turtles it is good enough for the future of humanity ;D  |
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 17, 2005 23:29:09 GMT
'Overground, underground, Wombling free, digging a tunnel, the Artillaryman and me. Trying to escape from the invaders up top. A world under the ground may just be a flop'
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MikeH
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Post by MikeH on Mar 18, 2005 1:27:25 GMT
It is a pretty impossible idea, but he needed something to hope in.
I don't think the illustration in the record was quite what he had in mind though...
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Mar 18, 2005 1:39:56 GMT
I don't think the illustration in the record was quite what he had in mind though... I think it probably was. He's clearly got much grander ideas than reality could perhaps permit and I think the painting depicts his deluded idea of the 'Brave New World' nicely. He was a man clutching a few bent straws. But it was the way he coped. He's clearly not firing on all cylinders, but his unlikely dream gave him hope to survive. Later, the Narrator doesn't even have that. He was all set to offer himself as dinner to the nearest hungry Martian. |
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 18, 2005 9:16:41 GMT
'firing on all cylinders'
hey hey, boom boom ;D
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Post by David Faltskog on Mar 18, 2005 9:22:11 GMT
Groan.  ;D D.F. |
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Astro
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Post by Astro on Mar 18, 2005 11:34:04 GMT
The Artilleryman is such a fantastic character though, because he probably embodies the attitude of the entire army, and it's such a difference to the logic of the Journalist. Notice that the other characters have names. The Artilleryman and the Journalist show the two main views that would've been taken up - thoughtless optimism and logical rationalisation. I do English literature, I HAVE to read into these things.  Plus, I'm forced to listen to 'Brave New World' in the car rather a lot. My Mother thinks David Essex is The Messiah. |
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Post by David Faltskog on Mar 18, 2005 11:39:58 GMT
Plus, I'm forced to listen to 'Brave New World' in the car rather a lot. My Mother thinks David Essex is The Messiah. Now that is scary!.   D.F. |
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Post by krys666 on Mar 18, 2005 15:15:44 GMT
I thoguht I was! ;D ;D ;D But even if he and anyone else did build a new England underground, wouldn't the martians (if not died) find it eventualy? When no humans are around, they can get out fo their machines and roam freely, or make smalled machines in which to move nearer to ground level. They would have found an entrance/exit and followed it, reveling signs of inteligent life, so they bring in heat rays and find more, tasty... mouth-watering, jucy... humans............. |
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Mar 18, 2005 17:37:46 GMT
'firing on all cylinders' hey hey, boom boom ;D Nice to see my (admittedly poor) attempts at wit aren't always missed..  |
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Astro
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Post by Astro on Mar 18, 2005 20:46:45 GMT
But even if he and anyone else did build a new England underground, wouldn't the martians (if not died) find it eventualy? When no humans are around, they can get out fo their machines and roam freely, or make smalled machines in which to move nearer to ground level. They would have found an entrance/exit and followed it, reveling signs of inteligent life, so they bring in heat rays and find more, tasty... mouth-watering, jucy... humans............. My thoughts precisely! "They were draining the fresh, living blood of men and women, and injecting it into their own veins. BLEEEUUUURRRGGHGHGGG!!!"  Or something like that. |
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Post by MikeH on Mar 19, 2005 1:06:59 GMT
Hehe, nice attempt at making that Martian blood drinking noise!
At least the Artilleryman had some sort of hope (if deluded!). He's a soldier, a man of action, he's not going to sit about and wait for the Martians to find him.
He'd probably find a couple of decent sewers, stock them with supplies, and either sink or swim from there. Maybe he'd find more people sympathetic to his cause, or maybe an angry mob would kill him and steal his stuff.
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Astro
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Post by Astro on Mar 19, 2005 12:57:44 GMT
I know I would.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 19, 2005 13:02:22 GMT
Oddly enough, the name of the Artilleryman is never given - I bet its Bulgaria
Oppps, back to the Wombles again ;D
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Post by artillerymanfan on Apr 24, 2005 19:57:08 GMT
The artilleryman is my favourite character (hence the name) but i do agree he was a bit mad, but he wasnt making too grand plans, the picture is depicting the contrary, i mean, he doesnt really mean to make a hole/tunnel as tall as a fighting machine and really long, or does he? His remark about playing cricket really confuses me, I mean, he said we'd live in drains and subway tunnels. But how could you play cricket and stuff a captured fighting machine in? But you gotta pity him, i mean if i saw "hundreds dead maybe thousands!" i'd snap. My conclusion : he's losing it, but doesnt know it.  |
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Apr 25, 2005 14:21:11 GMT
His dreams were grand and totally unrealistic and are, I think, perfectly depicted in the 'Brave New World' painting.
He was talking about building shops, houses and the like.. some kind of underground Utopia. The old world but underground.
In reality, humans living underground wasn't. under the circumstances, such a bad plan but would probably really come down to a few scruffy people scavenging around in the rubble of what was left and making some kind of miserable existence underground.
He wasn't so much mad as a little over zealous, and hadn't thought it through properly.
Perhaps they could have settled underground but cricket was probably out.
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Post by artillerymanfan on Apr 26, 2005 1:16:01 GMT
I think his over planning was probably because he had been drinking too much "Nothing but champagne now i'm the boss!" Its a theory, a very unlikely theory but it could be possible.
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