tug
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Post by tug on Feb 6, 2006 20:36:08 GMT
This is good. Constructive debate,data research and cooperation. Keep it up and see where it goes.
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Feb 6, 2006 21:15:25 GMT
A couple of things:
From The Days Of Imprisonment The sprawling Martians were no longer to be seen, the mound of blue-green powder had risen to cover them from sight, and a fighting-machine, with its legs contracted, crumpled, and abbreviated, stood across the corner of the pit.
As someone already suggested the fighting machines have telescopic limbs which would no doubt allow for easier access to the hood for the Martians.
From The Death Of The Curate I stood petrified, staring. Then I saw through a sort of glass plate near the edge of the body the face, as we may call it, and the large dark eyes of a Martian, peering, and then a long metallic snake of tentacle came feeling slowly through the hole.
Perhaps the metallic, "brazen" cowl does just cover the rear and top of the "head" of the tripod with the glass plate shielding the front or "face". Much like a sliding glass door it could move aside to allow the Martian access to the controls. This is merely my theory.
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Post by Thunder Child on Feb 6, 2006 21:43:02 GMT
Isn't this Martian inside a Handling Machine, instead of a Fighting Machine?
Johan
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Feb 6, 2006 22:06:42 GMT
Yes, but that's beside the point ;D
What's really the point is that it's 8.45 in the morning and I haven't had much sleep and I stuffed up.
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Post by Chris Oakley on Feb 6, 2006 22:08:47 GMT
Yes Johan it is the handling machine which is low to the ground anyway.
But as BrutalDeluxe quite rightly states from the text the Tripods legs do "contract, crumple and abbreviate".
Whether this means they are telescopic or not is open to debate.
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Post by Thunder Child on Feb 7, 2006 11:19:17 GMT
I always thought the legs could "fold", and are not telescopic...
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Feb 8, 2006 1:16:12 GMT
I took it as a combination of both. "Contract" and "abbreviate" are more the type of words you'd use when describing something withdrawing into itself or shortening.
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Post by Luperis on Feb 8, 2006 2:35:54 GMT
I agree wit Brutal on this one... I always thought they were both teloscopic and contractable. Either works, though.
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Post by Leatherhead on Feb 8, 2006 5:23:43 GMT
the question then is, how MUCH could it abbreviate? how do it's knees work, where are all these joints located? and we know it was mobile even when contrated. Otherwise how could it also be used as a metal shield? It would have to be at ground level to do this. Also in order to protect the martians under it, there had to have been some shallow cavity on the underside, or else the FM would have crushed them. So we gotta think about how the legs were able to move in this way? If not on the bottom of the machine (where the Martians were), then where on the Thing's body were they located?
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Post by Leatherhead on Feb 8, 2006 5:31:10 GMT
let's keep in mind however, that these legs must be located (while not at the very bottom) close enogh to the bottom of the machine to resemble a tripod..we know that Wells based the design on camera tripods.. The legs would not be on the sides like on the JW version.
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Feb 8, 2006 6:17:43 GMT
The tripods in SS WOTW were able to move very low to the ground but didn't so much as contract as they did stretch their legs out. Mind you the fact that they changed size all the time could be the fault of the CG department ;D
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Post by Lensman on Feb 8, 2006 6:55:15 GMT
we know it was mobile even when contrated. Otherwise how could it also be used as a metal shield? It would have to be at ground level to do this. Also in order to protect the martians under it, there had to have been some shallow cavity on the underside, or else the FM would have crushed them. It was described as a "shield" or "dish cover" and it later "staggered up" and became a Tripod. I always interpreted this to mean the Martians constructed only the top part of it, moved it a ways (possibly with the aid of one or more Handling-Machines), and then finished building it including putting on the bottom and attaching the legs.
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Post by Leatherhead on Feb 9, 2006 0:19:35 GMT
LOL how many Handling Machines to Move one Fighting Machine do you suppose? Why would they not just complete the Thing in the pit?
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Post by lanceradvanced on Feb 9, 2006 1:15:28 GMT
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Post by Lensman on Feb 9, 2006 7:04:12 GMT
Why would they not just complete the Thing in the pit? Not being a Martian, I don't know... Perhaps I'm remembering wrong, but I think they moved it to "cover" the second cylinder that landed. Considering the locals were trying to shell it (the 2nd cylinder), it's well for them that they did so. My thought was they hastily moved the partly- completed first tripod when it was complete enuff to provide a shield to protect the occupant(s) and a Heat Ray for offense. I'll just point to my WOTW page where I took a stab at most of this stuff.... Lancer, the link you gave us was to the front page of your site. There's a lot of stuff there! How about a link directly to what you're talking about?
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Post by Thunder Child on Feb 9, 2006 9:15:13 GMT
Hi lancer,
Didn't you also do a image of a Fighting Machine in lowered position that takes out a human out of the basket? Can't find it on your site...
Johan
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Post by lanceradvanced on Feb 9, 2006 14:27:07 GMT
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Post by Thunder Child on Feb 9, 2006 20:53:29 GMT
Yep, that's it! Well, that's pretty much how I always envisioned the contracted legs of the lowered Machine...
Johan
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Post by Lensman on Feb 9, 2006 22:01:00 GMT
lanceradvanced.com/Illustration/FanArt/WOTW/TitanColor.jpgWow! *Very* nice Lancer! You're quite an artist. Very atmospheric, quite threatening. And yeah I *love* your folding approach to the leg design! That would allow them to fold up and "crumple" all right. Not to mention it repeats the "threes" motif. I also like the overall shape, which looks properly alien, and does indeed vaguely suggest a "spider" as Wells describes a Tripod at one point. Oh, and full marks for not putting in any obvious hinges or exposed "knee joints"; the covered knees of your design indeed suggest Wells' description of a complex joint where many small parts slide over each other.
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Post by Luperis on Feb 10, 2006 3:07:38 GMT
Those are some nice illustrations. I especially like the TitanColor.jpg one. What program did you use to colour that pic? Just interested.
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