CPP
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Post by CPP on Mar 9, 2005 9:26:10 GMT
Hi all-
Just spoke with a well-placed pal who informs me that the invasion in the new film is not one of Martians after all... that's all I know. Does anyone know the significance of this? Perhaps the "They're Already Here" tagline refers to this??
Re progress on the various docs we are doing: we now have active contracts for no less than three (5 hours!) that are due in less than 7 weeks. Sheesh! It's going to be a rat-race to the finish.
RP
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Post by RustiSwordz on Mar 9, 2005 9:54:50 GMT
I heard that they are creatures called Zog from the planet Zloyt that used dimention warps to invade the earth instead of cylinders. Apparently it sounds more plausable than the Martians from Mars.   |
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Post by eveofthewar on Mar 9, 2005 10:19:42 GMT
Yep, I have seen a few reports on non-martians....
MMMM!!! We'll have to see what Mr Spielberg comes up with then.....
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 9, 2005 12:16:23 GMT
Hi all- Just spoke with a well-placed pal who informs me that the invasion in the new film is not one of Martians after all... that's all I know. Does anyone know the significance of this? Perhaps the "They're Already Here" tagline refers to this?? Re progress on the various docs we are doing: we now have active contracts for no less than three (5 hours!) that are due in less than 7 weeks. Sheesh! It's going to be a rat-race to the finish. RP Yes, we have been talking about this for the last few weeks over in the 'Paramount' film section of the board. Speilberg see's it that its not entirely plausable for the Wellsian Martians due to the 'lack' of Martian lifeforms on Mars - keeping in with reality. He want's that to be a reality, yet the story of TWOTW is a work of fiction. |
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Post by Gerkinman on Mar 9, 2005 12:21:04 GMT
The aliens lived under the sea, everything down there looks alien o.0
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Post by HTT on Mar 9, 2005 12:41:56 GMT
Ah, but if they lived under the sea, there'd be no excuse for them not to be cephelapodesque... Unless the Aliens dwell in Atlantis - the Return Of Patrick Duffy - aaaarrrggh! Aquatic Skuzzle-Butt, weaving wicker baskets to harness the humans, firing heat rays from his celery hand...
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Post by the Donal on Mar 9, 2005 13:46:34 GMT
The fact that the invaders are from Mars in the book is entirely incidental- they are just a vehicle for HG's ideas. Following this, providing that the same ideas are kept in the story of the Spielberg movie, I don't care where they come from ("We're looking for the farmer. We're not from Mars!" ;D)
I'm sure something ridiculous won't be involved- I'm an optimist!
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Post by Gerkinman on Mar 9, 2005 13:56:38 GMT
Ah, but if they lived under the sea, there'd be no excuse for them not to be cephelapodesque...
sure there is, a little something called Plot Device ;D
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Post by DaveJames on Mar 11, 2005 2:07:04 GMT
I don't think it really matters that much. This is supposed to be a "documentary-style" movie about an alien invasion. I think most people would be way too busy running for their lives to CARE where the aliens came from! ;D
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Post by Bayne on Mar 11, 2005 21:01:43 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]So Steve doesn't think people will believe there's life on Mars.
Hello what planet is he living on? A significant proportion of Americans don't believe man went to the moon! Has he seen how many people buy books by Graham Hancock and co? And if we ignore all the Richard Hoagland stuff then there is NASA proclaiming fossil bacteria from Mars and all the fuss at the moment finding water on Mars, talk now of an underground sea and gaseous by-products indicative of life...
Then lets concider the popularity of Mars... the sale of telescopes went throught the roof accross the world with the last opposition... people would gather on street corners and backyards to stare at it with the naked eye! The opportunities to tie in all of that, give NASA some extra publicity and get a big marketting deal with MARS confectionary (I mean that there would be an absolute dream for the product placement people. Someone should mention that to Jeff Wayne, the amount of times Mars gets mentioned in one song alone...)
And finally.... if Mars has nothing to do with it.... what other 'world' are we at war with and why do we see Mars on the first teaser trailer?
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Post by DaveJames on Mar 11, 2005 22:19:38 GMT
Putting aside the fact it probably won't even be addressed in the film..... I think the idea of aliens coming from Mars is just too ridiculous to believe in the 21st century.
Mars isn't NEARLY as strange and mysterious as it used to be. I'm a big astronomy geek, but let's face it-- Mars is just a boring desert with rocks. Yes there are lots of tantalizing possibilities as far as ancient microbial life goes, but the idea of an advanced alien civilization living underground and shooting invasion armies into space in giant cylinders?? Please.
But like I said, it's all a moot point anyway. I seriously doubt Spielberg is going to show us the martians launching off from their home planet anyway. It doesn't fit in with his "documentary" approach at all.
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Post by Bayne on Mar 11, 2005 23:09:30 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]Umm.. didn't I just explain how a significant proportion of the population could believe just such a notion. Plenty of people still believe Hoagland, Von Daniken and others. Scientists are making credible claims for current microbial life. The last report I read was of the possibility of a significantly sized underground frozen sea.
An advanced civilisation living undetected underground on Mars is easilly more credible than any of the theories I've heard to explain the "Already here" line. Undersea aliens, dormant underground aliens, bodysnatching aliens, sprouting from red weed in peoples faces aliens.. all require us to be on the same planet as the aliens... if we can't detect them here till they launch their offensive then we sure as heck couldn't detect them underground on Mars.
On top of that Mars still carries its legacy of seeming strange and mysterious, otherwise why were so many people looking at the thing during opposition as opposed to saturn which was also significantly bright in the same year. Heck, I got over 800 hits on one page of my site because of people searching for "Mars" "telescope".
Also if there is no adressing on where the martians come from in the film a) why tell us they won't be martians and b) why keep Ogilvy as an astronomer?
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Post by DaveJames on Mar 11, 2005 23:39:47 GMT
Somehow I don't think the conspiracy-nut, Art Bell crowd is nearly as large as you say it is, but whatever. Besides, in any other scifi movie I'm sure the audience could suspend their disbelief and accept that the martians come from Mars, but Spielberg basically said he didn't want to go for the stylized, "hollywood" thing like ID4 did. Again, this is supposed to be happening right now, in our world. In a typical scifi movie like ID4 I could buy the martians coming from Mars. But in the REAL world? I don't think so. The concept of "evil martians" seems way too silly in a world dealing with terrorism and war and all the other horrible stuff going on right now. THAT's supposed to be the setting for Spielberg's movie. If he was making a period version, of COURSE I would expect the aliens to be martians, but I don't think it fits with what he's trying to do. But that's just me.  |
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Post by Bayne on Mar 12, 2005 0:03:44 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]Well, I'm just going by the polls regarding belief about a moon hoax which had a pretty sizable chunk.
As for ultra-realism... why then have aliens at all.. have a bunch of arabs instead and leave Wells alone. We are talking speculative fiction here and as we haven't yet met any invading aliens it is spurious to state with any certainty what they will and will not look like or where they will or will not come from. Instead we are left with educated guesses. To that I state again that it is just as likely (and realistic in this post 9/11 world) to have an advanced dying civilisation under the surface of Mars as it is any of the other options for an 'already here' invasion.
It could be said that it is just as likely as an invasion from an hitherto undiscovered alien civilisation anywhere else in this solar system. Certainly it would be easier for an advanced technological society to evolve on an ancient wet mars and then move underground as it would be for an undersea civilisation inside a jovian moon to develop technology with out a flame sustaining atmosphere.
So for the 'ultra-realistic' movie we now need an interstellar invasion? So either they've been heading here slowly for millions of years or they somehow break the light barrier? If they have been doing the former then what would be the point in invading earth? Wouldn't they be better remaining in space and raiding moons and asteroids for natural resources and heading off? If the latter? Well currently that is less realistic than a civilisation moving underground to avoid climatological catastrophe.
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Post by beecus on Mar 18, 2005 14:30:36 GMT
''but the idea of an advanced alien civilization living underground and shooting invasion armies into space in giant cylinders?? Please.'' It's much more likely of course for 100ft aliens to be living underneath New York and are awoken by a bolt of lightning  |
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Post by djmatt82 on Mar 18, 2005 16:02:53 GMT
taking away martians is a silly idea. it would be like remaking Star Wars without the Force (which is about as Impossible as little green men from mars.........a million to one i say!)
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Post by HTT on Mar 18, 2005 16:43:42 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Well, they DID remake Star Wars without The Force. It was called The Phantom Menace and The Force is now a load of old toot called Midichlorians...
If George Lucas can get away with THAT, then I guess anything goes! Aliens taking a quick kip with Cthulhu before the lightning bolt wake up call kicks in ain't that bad - after all, Cthulhu himself was a big fat space monster from the stars, dead but dreaming under the Earth/Sea...waiting to be awoken when the stars are right...(assuming Tom Cruise is the right star for this flick....) [/glow]
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