DareDevil
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Post by DareDevil on Feb 27, 2005 1:20:13 GMT
Looks like the neo - conservatives have infiltrated Hollywood even more than I thought - and is there a bit of Spielberg self interest in this type of propaganda one wonders. Somehow I have trouble picturing Spielberg in the neo conservative evironment ;D But, i'm still not making to much of all this. I certainly won't be pulled into a circle of negativity about it. I'll just watch the movie and hold my judgement until then becuase I'd feel a bit silly doing so before knowing what it is all about
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Post by maniacs on Feb 27, 2005 11:30:17 GMT
Actually, it was propaganda in favour of the Official Chinese line versus Taiwan.
Well somebody knows where the film was actually pointing too!
I saw it on Friday morning, I liked it cause of the message( it was an interesting twist to usually treatment of tyrants ) but I couldn't help seeing the link with Bush because of his interest in the middle East and the controversy being created.
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Post by HTT on Feb 27, 2005 20:15:30 GMT
Cylinder 'cells' lying underground, re-activated on discovery after centuries, 100ft tall aliens in skyline, Mass Panic, Cranes.....Wait a minute - wasn't that Quatermass & The Pit?!
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Post by themotile on Feb 27, 2005 20:21:46 GMT
Cylinder 'cells' lying underground, re-activated on discovery after centuries, 100ft tall aliens in skyline, Mass Panic, Cranes.....Wait a minute - wasn't that Quatermass & The Pit?! One point, the Quatermass aliens were from mars, Spielberg martians ironicaly are not from mars.....my head hurts.
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Post by HTT on Feb 28, 2005 11:20:27 GMT
True - although you could debate their origin. Was it actually proven they were from Mars, or was it assumed? Also, Q&TP had the concept that we were the martians... perhaps that can be used somewhere in the movie.
Actually, merging elements of Q&TP with WOTW could work: A 'cylinder' gets dug up - the living cells store up energy, until it reaches critical mass and converts into pure energy, issuing a huge EMP blast that sends out a signal to all the buried material, activates the DNA that was introduced into humans millions of years ago (now watered down), and starts the red weed flourishing. The awakened aliens start to dig themselves out, possibly aided by slightly-altered humans, creating pits. You can now follow the flow of the book more precisely!
At some point later, you could have Cruise going back to the site of the energy pile, and uses the crane to discharge the electricity field (but, like Rooney, will he sacrifice himself to do it?). This won't stop the alien invasion, but it will eliminate the EMP, releasing the might of the military to fight back.
I quite like this concept. You get the alien cylinder, loosely linked to Mars, and a sustained EMP burst that can be negated later. The bulk of the movie can still follow the events of the book very closely.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Feb 28, 2005 11:39:49 GMT
errrrr Noooo.
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Post by themotile on Feb 28, 2005 12:25:56 GMT
True - although you could debate their origin. Was it actually proven they were from Mars, or was it assumed? Also, Q&TP had the concept that we were the martians... perhaps that can be used somewhere in the movie. Actually, merging elements of Q&TP with WOTW could work: A 'cylinder' gets dug up - the living cells store up energy, until it reaches critical mass and converts into pure energy, issuing a huge EMP blast that sends out a signal to all the buried material, activates the DNA that was introduced into humans millions of years ago (now watered down), and starts the red weed flourishing. The awakened aliens start to dig themselves out, possibly aided by slightly-altered humans, creating pits. You can now follow the flow of the book more precisely! At some point later, you could have Cruise going back to the site of the energy pile, and uses the crane to discharge the electricity field (but, like Rooney, will he sacrifice himself to do it?). This won't stop the alien invasion, but it will eliminate the EMP, releasing the might of the military to fight back. I quite like this concept. You get the alien cylinder, loosely linked to Mars, and a sustained EMP burst that can be negated later. The bulk of the movie can still follow the events of the book very closely. I can almost hear Wells spinning in his grave
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Post by Flynn77 on Feb 28, 2005 13:03:19 GMT
So could it be a nod to the book. Cylinders left over from the original invasion?? I still think it could be one hell of a mis information exercise! I mean that interview is 99.9% bulls**t waffle! The 'other dimension' talk just seems to be confusing waffle about how we percieve the real world to 'film world reality' . It's certainly becoming a bit of a strain to understand whats going here!
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Post by RustiSwordz on Feb 28, 2005 13:16:07 GMT
i personally think that its all disinformation bullpats designed to keep us talking about the film.
in the end the only real difference will be the fact its set in the US now instead of 1890's UK.
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Post by HTT on Feb 28, 2005 13:16:25 GMT
You have to admit though, Dougs comment there does sum up the plot of Q&TP! OK, so it was a daft idea . I used to be a big fan of Quatermass, and I got a bit carried away! Going back to the interview: One thing I am unhappy about is that we'll only see the invasion of Manhattan - the rest of the world is only "alluded to". I would have thought we'd at least get shots of tripods striding though and destroying modern London, and in a great twist of irony, blowing up the millenium doom!! Not to mention the Eyefull Tower, Sidney's Opera House, the Pyramids of Geezer, or Macho Pikachu under arial attack.
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DareDevil
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Post by DareDevil on Feb 28, 2005 13:20:26 GMT
I kinda like the conflicting information they are sending out. It makes me all the more curious as to what eventually will happen in the real thing. It appears we don't have a clue what really will happen, and I really like that I am surprised they manage to keep so many things under wraps , though I like being surprised and that could very well happen when I can see this movie. Atleast they get people talking and speculating, which is never a bad thing ;D
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Post by Rust on Mar 1, 2005 10:55:32 GMT
Sure, these deviations from the book are somewhat disappointing, but not radically. I reckon it was inevitable since other updates have been pretty huge and if they're coming from inside as in underground or whatever, as opposed to outside... well, I'm gonna hold my bretah until june 29th.
I don't think the main themes will suffer from these alterations, so what gives. I'm still looking at this movie as the ULTIMATE adrenalin-rush to kick the s*** outta my sences. Brooding drama, intense realism, a sense of pure futility and horror wrapped in innovative jaw-dropping visuals. I want that more than I want plot in this case. I don't think the plot is that complex anyways. Basically it's just an invasion-scenario with themes. It's how it plays out as they mention multiple times in that interview.
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Post by Bayne on Mar 2, 2005 6:34:15 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]My expectations of the Paramount film are falling with each new bit of news lately (certainly whoever owns the rights to Quatermass might be considering legal action about now).
Of course this could be a good thing.. I'm going to see the film at least once anyways, if my expectations are low then the chance of me being pleasently surprised are higher. [/glow]
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Post by Gnorn on Mar 3, 2005 10:04:45 GMT
I realy don't care about this movie anymore. Actually, I was dissapointed the moment I saw the first trailer. And it got worse and worse. And why the f*ck is Spielberg doing this family thing? That's the last thing I could care about.
-Gnorn
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Post by themotile on Mar 3, 2005 10:15:38 GMT
I realy don't care about this movie anymore. Actually, I was dissapointed the moment I saw the first trailer. And it got worse and worse. And why the f*ck is Spielberg doing this family thing? That's the last thing I could care about. -Gnorn I bet Christmas is a hoot round your house Gnorn! LOL Cheer up man! (One thing I dont get though, you were one of those guys that like the Pendragon stuff but you dont like the Paramount trailers....I take it your not a preffesional critic then ) ;D
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Post by Gnorn on Mar 3, 2005 10:20:58 GMT
I bet Christmas is a hoot round your house Gnorn! LOL :D Cheer up man! (One thing I dont get though, you were one of those guys that like the Pendragon stuff but you dont like the Paramount trailers....I take it your not a preffesional critic then :-/) ;D Yeah, I hate Christmas, realy! As for the trailer, I was referring to the teaser. True, the superbowl trailer looks great, for an FX movie. But none of the Spielberg trailers get my hopes up high in regards of a WotW movie. Look, this movie will nu doubt be a great action/sf/fx/family flick, but to me it is not WotW. -Gnorn
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Post by Bayne on Mar 3, 2005 10:22:05 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]Actually.... A friend of mine is a proffessional critic. The opinion he expressed to me of the Pendragon trailer was a shrug but his opinion of the Super bowl trailer started with "Bloody Woeful"... Even my friends who do not like WotW, including Sill (Demon_Angel), were much more impressed with Pendragons trailer than Speilbergs.[/glow]
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Post by themotile on Mar 3, 2005 21:36:15 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]Actually.... A friend of mine is a proffessional critic. The opinion he expressed to me of the Pendragon trailer was a shrug but his opinion of the Super bowl trailer started with "Bloody Woeful"... Even my friends who do not like WotW, including Sill (Demon_Angel), were much more impressed with Pendragons trailer than Speilbergs.[/glow] Yeah right whatever Bayne.
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Post by HTT on Mar 4, 2005 9:43:58 GMT
To be fair, the Superbowl trailer is more of a TV Spot/Teaser than a trailer, and doesn't give you the sense of what the film's about like the Pendragon trailer does.
My hopes also are diminishing with each bit of news on this film, but I'll wait until SS issues an acknowledged theatrical trailer before consigning it to the vacuum cleaner of destiny. You never know, he could pull it off (oo-er missus!)
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Post by themotile on Mar 4, 2005 20:31:55 GMT
Any critic who rates the Pendragon trailer over the Paramount super bowl TV spot realy need to re think their chosen career.
The paramount tv spot has a narrative it has atmosphere, it has a sense of dread, it has an air of quality, it leaves you wanting more as any good teaser should.
The full Pendragon theatrical trailer did not have a narrative, it did not have any atmosphere or a sense of dread and it had no quality to speak of, in fact it was just 'bad'.
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