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Post by jeffwaynefan on Aug 4, 2005 15:27:22 GMT
AI was dull but I loved the Terminal. Thought it was a really cookie sort of film and sentimental without being sickening. Thought Tom Hanks and Stanley Tucci were great together. I have seen AI about twice, the second time was even worse for me, not Spielbergs best. I liked 'Catch Me If You Can', thought that was good. Not seen 'The Terminal' yet. Dont think I can handle another film with Zeta Jones pretending to be American.
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Post by richardburton on Aug 4, 2005 15:49:50 GMT
HC, it's ok she's not in it that much, you'll be relieved to know! I did like Catch Me If You Can too, even though it had Leonardo in.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Aug 4, 2005 20:34:25 GMT
Good ole Leonardo De 'Crap'rio. My other hobby passion is TITANIC (the ship not the film), but that Total Wally And Toerag 'Crap'rio spoilt the film for me.
What the hell was a 3rd class steerage passenger doing walking around 1st class area's of the ship. Hello, did it not cross Camerons mind that this is not historical let aloan accurate.
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Post by Thunder Child on Aug 4, 2005 20:50:22 GMT
I think the movie was plain bad! The fighting machines were great, no doubt about it, but the film doesn't deserve it to be called War of the Worlds...
When watching the movie my girlfriend looked at me and said "what a boring movie!" I had to agree. It may sound stupid but we both liked the Pendragon film better...
More in my personal review, soon.
Johan
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Aug 4, 2005 20:54:23 GMT
Good ole Leonardo De 'Crap'rio. My other hobby passion is TITANIC (the ship not the film), but that Total Wally And Toerag 'Crap'rio spoilt the film for me. What the hell was a 3rd class steerage passenger doing walking around 1st class area's of the ship. Hello, did it not cross Camerons mind that this is not historical let aloan accurate. Craprio and Cruise control - now there's a pair of film wreckers for ya! It's the old Hollywood saying I suppose -"Never let the truth get in the way of a crap story".
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Post by richardburton on Aug 5, 2005 8:19:11 GMT
HC Considering I love Cameron's Aliens so much, I was disappointed with his Titanic effort.
Thunder, I can't understand how you can call the movie boring. Even if you forget that it is a WOTW film, surely you can see it for a bit of a thrilling adventure yarn? It may not have break-neck pace all the way through (I felt that the pace flagged a bit in a couple of areas too) but I still couldn't call it boring.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Aug 5, 2005 11:30:02 GMT
HC Considering I love Cameron's Aliens so much, I was disappointed with his Titanic effort. I have been researching the Titanuic for over 20 years so like TWOTW I was so over the moon to see a film on one of two of my favourite subjects being made and in my life time. Camerons Titanic for me being a historian (so to speak) was better visually than 'A Night To Remember' but not as accurate in ways as 'A Night To Remember'. Cameron got the sets spot on, his 1/8th 'hero' models were almost 100% accurate. The near full size set of the ship was full of faults, but he got away with it. The story, well its not a story as such, its true life - Titanic anyway, but that stupid story of love between Rose and Jack, got me hacking up in my popcorn bag. I mean, what would it have been like if in Aliens Riply and Bishop fell in love . I can understand why he did that, trying to get the younger generation interested in Titanic, so it worked, but not for the devoted Titanic (ship) fans. The FX were top notch, but the ships final break up (when the ship snaps) was not accurate, all because when he went down the first time to film the wreck he only filmed the bow section and not the stern. If he did the final scenes showing the break up would have been more violent, because the stern was ripped apart on the surface just after the split. Since the 97 film, he went back down to the wreck in 2001 and did a 3D IMAX film called 'Titanic - Ghosts Of The Abyss' and he is down at the wreck again right now filming inside the liner. This October will see the 3 DVD disc 'Collectors Edition' of TITANIC released with some 58 mins of footage put back in - What?, that makes the film 4 hours and 12 mins. The real Titanic took less time to sink. (god rest those 1,500 souls lost)
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Post by David Faltskog on Aug 5, 2005 11:51:53 GMT
What was up with showing the british officers on the Titanic as a bunch of psycho's who'd happly open fire on passengers?, from what i,ve read that never happened.
D.F.
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Post by richardburton on Aug 5, 2005 13:31:22 GMT
Aye, I found the Ghosts of the Abyss very interesting to watch. 4hrs 12mins? Jesus! Pardon my blasphamy! That'd take some getting through...so roughly 3hrs 45mins of Leo and Kate...Gawd elp us! David, you're right, from the documentary I saw and the hoo harr in the press after its release that officer never did actually shoot at the crowd and his family were very upset (understandably) at his portrayal in the film.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Aug 5, 2005 15:32:41 GMT
What was up with showing the british officers on the Titanic as a bunch of psycho's who'd happly open fire on passengers?, from what i,ve read that never happened. D.F. Sorry to go off topic people, but I got asked the question so I must there for answer it. The 'Officers' were given pistols by Captain Smith incase any mass panic broke out. You have to understand that 3 people new of the extent damage to the Titanic -Catain, ships designer and the ships carpentor, all 3 men went below decks and saw the damage and the flooding. Captain Smith and the ships designer Thomas Andrews both new that Titanic was carrying some 2,207 passengers and crew and the liner was only fitted with 20 lifeboats capable of carrying away a total of 1,178 people (when filled to capacity). Thomas Andrews had asked for 48 lifeboats to be fitted aboard but was over ruled by the 'British Board Of Trade' who felt that passengers would not travel aborad a liner over filled with lifeboats fearing something was wrong with the vessel. Titanic was at her tme the most safest vessel in the world and she did live up to the nick name of 'unsinkable' due to her advanced construction. The story of her metal being weak was infact a myth. She was designed to stay afloat if 4 compartment were FULLY breached, this was at the time the most extensive damaged known to happen to a vessel of that size, but the iceberg buckled plates running into 5 compartments and some 15,000 tons of water entered the ship with 12 mins AFTER the collision. The lifebaots were divided amoung 2 officers, 1st officer William McMaster Murdoch (Starboard) and 2nd Officer Charles Herbeurt Lightoller on Portside. Lightoller thought the boats could not handle the weight of 65 peiople inside each one. Murdoch who was incharge of the Titanic when she struck the iceberg (Captain Smith came off duty and handed the ship over to Murdoch at 11pm, some 40 mins before the collision). Murdoch new the ergency to get the people off the ship and must have felt gulit after ramming this new vessel and Captain Smith's last command (he was retiring after taking Titanic to New York on her maiden voyage). With only 3 lifeboats left and well over a 1000 passengers onboard, panic broke put. Men were trying to get inbto boats stopping the women and children. 5th officer Harold Lowe will onboard one of the lifeboats being lowered fired his pistol to prevent people from jumping into an already overcrowded lifeboat. He did not shoot anyone. Lightoller threatened passenger with a unloaded pistol to prevent a mass rush upon the boat he was trying to lower, but during the confussion, 2 Italian men rushed upon Murdoch, trying to gain a seat in the boat. A struggle broke out and Murdoch's only way to end it was to shoot. He shot both men and this was actually witnessed by 5 passengers and a 2 crew members. Upon realising what he had done and not wishing to 1/ survive this disaster, face court for the murder of 2 men he turned the gun upon himself. James Cameron got this historical scene right, but I think it was best if he went around it another way. Murdochs home town of Dalbettie ihn Scotland (not sure if I spelt that right) and his family did not like what Cameron had done to potrait there family member in this film, though this is how in real life it happened. First Officer William McMaster Murdoch was a hero, he saved 100's of lives, but through desperation and some guilt did what he had to do and took (for him) the easy way out.
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Post by richardburton on Aug 5, 2005 15:47:33 GMT
Blimey, thanks for that insight, HC. That's opened my eyes - I was under the impression that the whole incident had been fabricated for Hollywood. Thanks for the eyeopener.
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Post by David Faltskog on Aug 5, 2005 15:56:10 GMT
Yeah thanks Horsell regardless of if it did happen or not Cameron must have pissed his pants with glee so he could portray all britishers as the bad guys. D.F.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Aug 5, 2005 15:56:30 GMT
Shame Arnie did not play Captain Smith and that the film did not contain more eliments of Hollywood film glitz and glamour. I could just have seen Arnie rush out onto the the forward deck of the ship as the iceberg looms into sight, produce a missle launcher and blow it clean out of the water.
"Asta la vista baby"
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Post by David Faltskog on Aug 5, 2005 16:00:31 GMT
Yeah! and all the limeys could have had handlebar mostaches which they twirled with glee as they plotted to sink winslet and di crapio and the useless tub they were floating on.
D.F.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Aug 5, 2005 16:02:33 GMT
Yeah thanks Horsell regardless of if it did happen or not Cameron must have pissed his pants with glee so he could portray all britishers as the bad guys. D.F. Bit like the ships owner clinging to the ships wheel crazed dazed look in his eyes, nervous twitch while shouting "faster!, faster!, more power, more steam" That was the Hollywood version, real life is that the ships owner was telling Smith to pile on more power, but Smith said "No" as the ship was not carrying enough coal (Titanic left England at the aftermath of a huge coal strike and would need to fuel up again when she arrived at New York). Fact - she burned some 670 tons of coal - each day. 29 boilers, 150 furnaces, take about a gready son-of-a-burch or what.
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Post by David Faltskog on Aug 5, 2005 16:07:50 GMT
"Hmmmm"...As Richard Burton (the actor chappy) once said.
So what about this supposed coal fire that they could,nt control which was becoming a danger to the ship?.
D.F.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Aug 5, 2005 16:22:47 GMT
There was a coal fire in one of the forward coal bunkers. Very common on ships at the time. It was reported while she was undergoing her 12 hour sea trilas. Luckily they had enough crew members onboard to get the fire under control. But it did take them over 24 hours to get the fire put out which they did by 'dumping' the coal (opening the lower coal shoot that dumps the coal dust) but they have to remove the coal first to remove the weight. It was said the fire did cause damage to the outer shell of the bulkhead wall, but as far as we know it was never logged - damage not servere for a report or they were hiding something ?. But if the fire was going for almost 24 hours, in a steel bunker, close to the floor, the bulkhead is rivited to the floor which could cause rivets to 'pop' loose. They did film on one of the dives into the wreck the bulkhead, it was still standing and from what they could see it had not moved.
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Post by David Faltskog on Aug 5, 2005 16:25:59 GMT
Thanks for the info. Poor Titanic and it's crew and passengers doomed from the start thanks to greed and stupidity. D.F.
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Post by theredweed on Aug 5, 2005 16:44:46 GMT
Have none of you seen Pendragon's version. Give the award to them, loVl (the v is for very)
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Aug 5, 2005 16:58:16 GMT
;D
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