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Post by themotile on Feb 11, 2005 16:15:51 GMT
Sorry Motile! I didn't mean to have a go! I'd just had one of those days, and everything was going wrong & I was mega stressed. For some reason the "absolute fact" comment was the last straw and I lost the plot!! I know you're open to debate, and you do have a lot of good counter arguments. So, I offer a sincere apology. It was wrong of me to jump in feet first. Its cool dude im as guilty as anyone when it comes to typing stuff I think I could have worded better later.
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Post by ClaytonForrester on Feb 22, 2005 1:37:05 GMT
::)With what I have seen of it so far,it's hard to be anything BUT cynical.They have taken a great book, a great 50's film,and attempted to update the crap put of it,all the while thinking that if they throw enough money at the project,it will magically turn into a worthy effort. BUSHWAH!I have seen nothing thus far in the previews of ANYTHING outside of the Pendragon version that even resembles War of the Worlds.And this garbage tag-line''They're already here''?That implies no Cylinders,no Mars,therefore SS's no Martian clause in the film.If it doesn't have Mars ,Martians,and War Machines in it a la Wells,IT AIN'T WAR OF THE WORLDS.PERIOD! ClaytonForrester
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Post by ClaytonForrester on Feb 22, 2005 1:48:45 GMT
Looking forward to PANNING it in the IMDB online opinion polls.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Feb 22, 2005 3:27:55 GMT
::)With what I have seen of it so far,it's hard to be anything BUT cynical.They have taken a great book, a great 50's film,and attempted to update the crap put of it,all the while thinking that if they throw enough money at the project,it will magically turn into a worthy effort. BUSHWAH!I have seen nothing thus far in the previews of ANYTHING outside of the Pendragon version that even resembles War of the Worlds.And this garbage tag-line''They're already here''?That implies no Cylinders,no Mars,therefore SS's no Martian clause in the film.If it doesn't have Mars ,Martians,and War Machines in it a la Wells,IT AIN'T WAR OF THE WORLDS.PERIOD! ClaytonForrester I really dont give two sh*ts if it is or isnt WOTW. Im sick to death of you portraying those of us who support the SS project as somekind of mentally deficient child molesting freaks. Hes done an ace job so far and im convinced all this business about pan dimentional beings to be a crock of sh*t. Pendragon has fumbled the ball big time, jeff wayne wont be out until next year. Fact is the way you want it to be wont happen. Paramount have the right which theyve had for over 50 years. Do you have the millions to purchase the rights off the Paramount company. No? Tough titties...next! Momeee its NOT war of the worlds, ill sqweem and sqweem until i get my way. WAAAAA! Its happening whether you like it or not, live with it like i have to live with the fact that the PP version will be like drinking a bottle of my own p*ss assuming it doesnt get lost in development hell or at the bottom of a bargain bin at the local hymalayan HMV DVD store. People need to start debating these film properly. You me EVERYONE. we cant keep going around saying its all nuts its all gone to hell lets all pass out the razors and cyanide tablets bthe world has ended. I know PP is nuts, you clay thinks SS is nuts. so what its a small unfair world, dont worry 80 years isnt long to live with the pain of it. lets all start debating our hopes for these project. ""'m fed up with all these negative waves so early in the morning, lets all dig how beautiful and rightious things can be for a change!"" ""Anymore talk of shooting the general or raping the nurses down the field hospital im going to strangle them with their bare hands!""
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Feb 22, 2005 13:33:41 GMT
I really think some people need to get some perspective about BOTH movies. I also think that panning something without good reason isn't debate. I can't believe Rustiswordz is being the voice of reason here but I agree with him! (j/k Rusti Seriously, though, he has a point. Is it really worth shouting and screaming about? You don't like what they're doing, debate it properly or go read the book instead.
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Post by DareDevil on Feb 22, 2005 15:02:44 GMT
I'm looking forward to it a lot. The more I see, read and hear, the more I want to see it. It has all the signs of a big one
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Post by ClaytonForrester on Feb 22, 2005 20:29:59 GMT
The last time I looked I had the same rights to a personal opinion as the rest of you.Don't like it ?To quote Rusty"Tough titties."I happen to be somewhat of a loyalist when it comes to certain types of entertainment,and how it should be done.Apparently only those persons who agree with the wreckless eclectism of the majority here are allowed to speak their mind.So sorry!
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Feb 22, 2005 20:46:26 GMT
Clayton , look mate ... of course you have a right to post an opinion, but ...can I suggest just toning it down a little , we/I know your opinions of this film, I myself have my doubts and i have posted them, I try to prvide some form of valid point , sometimes it doesn't work and I am eager as anybody to see the pp version, but you do lay yourself open to alot of hostility if you come in like a raging bull,
Of course I am gonna see SS version, I have never denied that, I may not like it, but at the very least it will be a night out , on the other hand I may love it......just a case of waiting and seeing
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Feb 22, 2005 20:59:11 GMT
I hope that SS will not pander to the children and parent market tooo much , watering down some of the scenes/images,
that's maybe why I insist on comparing it to ID4 ...look in ID4 there is nothing in it that my son couldn't see, at the time he was 9, the film isn't exactly dark, brooding or atmospheric. it's just a gung ho we saved the world scifi flick which unfortuately seems to come out of Hollywood on a regular basis and I don't want the same to happen to this, it needs to be sinister, the martians HAVE to be cold and evil, it will be impossible to make them cutesie to cater for the younger market, I hope the film doesn't suffer to gain a 12 certificate
BTW my thoughts only ..feel free to disagree//laugh or mock..just don't be offensive (even though I am a nice guy I have my limits , sometimes it is hard to put EXACTLY what I want to say in text....HG i am most definately NOT ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Feb 22, 2005 21:03:47 GMT
My comments were not aimed at one particular individual, Clayton Forrester.. You are just as entitled to your opinions as anyone else. What I do have a problem with is the unfounded critcism, sniping, back biting and general rabble rousing that I have seen from some people on these boards. This is not the IMDB forum and you will all have to get used to that fact. The trouble on here has gone on for too long and I am putting a stop to it. There's really no reason or need for it. From now on anyone carrying on this absurd bickering is taking the risk on their own back. You all should know the rules by now. Follow them or you must expect to be accountable. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by ClaytonForrester on Feb 22, 2005 21:26:25 GMT
The only bile that I have for anyone is for the SS/TC Project.I have not personally insulted any person on this forum,and yet I have been mocked,held in contempt,and infantilized.I have merely stated my opinion,but since I will not agree with any of you about this mistake of a movie that makes me fair game to be openly attacked for that dissent.I have the right Not to agree with anyone,if that is my choice.the same goes for anyone else here.I'm not saying that you have to agree with me at all;I'm just exercising my own right not to accept mediocrity.
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Feb 22, 2005 22:00:54 GMT
Clayton ..don't get too hung up about it .. (look in the TC thread to find out what happened to me ;D ;D last night)
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Post by dudalb on Feb 23, 2005 0:16:52 GMT
"I happen to be somewhat of a loyalist when it comes to certain types of entertainment,and how it should be done." "They have taken a great book, a great 50's film,and attempted to update the crap put of it" Please Explain to me,why it was OK for Pal to move WOTW to the US and update it to 1953 but wrong for Spielberg to do the same. If you condemn one for updating the story and moving it, you have to condemn the other. If you approve the 1953 version, then you can't attack Spielberg for doing what the 1953 version did sight unseen. BTW please don't attempt to try to get the whole US vs UK thing started again. Almost evrybody here agrees that crap is a waste of time and accomplishes nothing.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Feb 23, 2005 0:33:56 GMT
The point is that we don't do 'bile' direction here. I really think that the general membership of this site is above that kind of thing. We try to debate our points of view here, not force them on others. I'm sorry if that goes against the way some people think but that's the way it is and always has been. If you disagree with the way we do things here then maybe the IMDB boards will be more to your taste. Having said that, if anyone has unreasonably mocked you, then you should tell me or another mod. Basically, personal vendettas will not be fought out here. It's not good for the board, it can put off potential posters and generally makes a mess of things. I still think (and I'm sure most would agree) that it's way too early to have such strong feelings about EITHER movie. We know little enough about them both after all. Besides which, as I and others have said, is it really worth getting into a state over? Everyone's opinions are welcome here but please think of others before posting them.
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Post by ClaytonForrester on Feb 23, 2005 2:05:09 GMT
I do not condemn the 50's version primarily because they were not able to adapt it effectively the way Wells wrote it.Today,that is now possible given present computer effects technology.what I object to ,as should anyone,is the total disregard that SS seems to be exhibiting toward the original source material.Wells himself approved the 50's adaptation,as well as the one of ''things to come'' right before his passing away.Howerver,this does not give carte blanch to people to do just anything with the property.It should adhere to the concepts,ideas and details that were originally transcribed as closely as possible.persons who do not wish to remain faithful to an authors intent should not engage in adaptations that do not do such.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Feb 23, 2005 2:39:33 GMT
I can understand that. What I do find encouraging is that, although the setting, etc have been changed, Wells' central themes may well be left intact. Perhaps more so than in the 50's version. The final proof of the pudding will be, of course, in the eating.
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 23, 2005 3:17:47 GMT
true. and the spices that have been added definitely won't be to my taste, but the overall experience should be fun, even just for the chance to see bad arse tripods done with big budget FX.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Feb 23, 2005 3:32:37 GMT
Okay. A last warning to all... That is going to be the last. We start from scratch now.. yes? Anyone who disagrees with what I say can PM me and say why. Otherwise, shut up and debate like normal people. I don't give a crap about your petty squabbles, I'm looking out for the greater good of the site now. I've given you all plenty of chances to sort this out and you've blown it. I will not be ignored again. If you can't do the simple things I ask (ie following the board rules), try posting again in the same way and see what happens.... (Hint. If you value your membership of this site, I wouldn't recommend trying my patience any more).
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 23, 2005 3:42:46 GMT
go ahead and ban me, you forum nazi.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Feb 23, 2005 3:45:45 GMT
no dont Malf it may bite... seriously i think he means it.
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