"a part of the real side"

[mctoddridesagain]

jeffwaynefan said:

...that is another reason why people may seem a little jumpy. . . Not because TH statement has any truth, but because you never know when those companies will just say "right, thats enough, were not taking this any longer".

Jeff Wayne Music/SonyBMG, Pendragon Pictures, Asylum Pictures and Paramount Pictures - ALL of them have been on this site, they have told us and I know who they are.

I don't think it's even that that makes people 'jumpy', H_C, after all I doubt any of them will throw their rattle out the pram just because of some tedious gossip (apart from Hines, but he's an idiot so who cares*) but simply because those of us who have followed this farrago since Day One, George, and that includes H-C, myself and many others, get irritated when someone floats in from nowhere and starts saying, 'Hey, yeah, maybe Hines has a point'.

No he doesn't, he's a talentless paranoid hack who has no point.

Still, it isn't half entertaining.


*I might add, George, that I have been threatened with legal action, by none other than Little Timmy's fragrant significant other, Susan Goforthandmultiply, and I told her to stick it in her ear. Net result - I never heard from her again.

[EvilNerfherder]

It's no secret that Horsell has a longstanding friendship with Jeff and that I too know Jeff as a helper on Jeff's official site. We have always said that we will not let this affect our work on this site and we always make a point of staying neutral whilst doing our work here.. Really, the only affect our other activities has on this site is that we can post JW news quicker than would perhaps be normally possible.
One thing I can say is that if anyone contacts us at this site on a regular basis to whinge about content here, it is not JW. Obviously, I wouldn't like to say who does...
We are well aware who may have agendas and who does not.. we sometimes hear things that we cannot possibly put on the site and we won't be drawn about that. At the end of the day, we have no reason to believe that the 'theories' that have been put forward here are correct or, indeed, have any basis in reality.

[FALLINGSTAR]

Whatever anyone thinks of Hines - I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it turns out that Paramount is somehow behind the Asylum effort, and I wouldn't put it past a big company like Paramount to engage in marketing tactics designed to undermine rivals.

[mctoddridesagain]

Wait a minute, I thought you've always said Paramount were behind Hines? But now they're behind Asylum? Or are they behind both? Hell, for all we know, Paramount were behind Asylum, Hines, Jeff Wayne, every WotW forum on the net and H G Wells himself!

[george]

evilnerfherder wrote: "It's no secret that Horsell has a longstanding friendship with Jeff and that I too know Jeff as a helper on Jeff's official site. We have always said that we will not let this affect our work on this site and we always make a point of staying neutral whilst doing our work here.."

Yes. I kind of feel like I walked into a bar filled with sports fans supporting one team.

evilnerfherder wrote: Really, the only affect our other activities has on this site is that we can post JW news quicker than would perhaps be normally possible.

Really? The only affect of so many people connected to Jeff Wayne on this site is quicker news? No bias? I don't need glasses to see that's not true.

evilnerfherder wrote: One thing I can say is that if anyone contacts us at this site on a regular basis to whinge about content here, it is not JW. Obviously, I wouldn't like to say who does... "

Well Jeff Wayne has nothing to complaim about. I just raised a couple of small questions and he was heavily devended by several people he knows who come to, and run this site. Are there any "ubiased" Timbo moderators on this site? I think your saying or implying that Timbo complains to you sometimes. Have you looked at your content. You support a "spoof" movie made up of stolen footeage from his movie which I believe our attention was drawn to by horsell_common, friend of Jeff Wayne. And a whole stream of similar things. Total disprespect. Would you guys stand for a link to a 25 minute movie using Jeff Waynes images and music to "spoof" him? You wouldn't even let me suggest that Jeff Wayne wasn't so squeeky clean. Not very "unbiased". To me it looks like the fox guarding the chicken house.

evilnerfherder wrote: "We are well aware who may have agendas and who does not.. we sometimes hear things that we cannot possibly put on the site and we won't be drawn about that. At the end of the day, we have no reason to believe that the 'theories' that have been put forward here are correct or, indeed, have any basis in reality."

No. But you milk and support theories against Timbo, while dismissing theories agains t Jeff Wayne. Period.

Jeff Wayne cancelled a world wide concert tour and then cancelled another concert and gave the ticket money back and is making promises of a new movie, changed, I believe now to a series of short movies, and a new concert and you guys say nothing about it. Timbo cancelled a big budget version of WAR OF THE WORLDS, which he doesn't deny and then actually makes and delivers a smaller budget movie. Okay, maybe shoestring, be he delivers and you guys go after him as if he claimed he was still delivering the big budget version. I see it written all over here. Your blending the two movies as an attack. I read stuff all over the web about this and all I see Timbo saying about his new version is that he worked hard on it and supports it. If he thinks his effects look like the Matrix, then he doesn't have a clear perspective. But what does Jeff Wayne think of HIS own music? Does he go out and say the new concert upcoming is a smaller paired down not as elaborate version of the world tour he planned but was cancelled? I don't think so. And it's wierd that you think Hines should have cut his own throat that way. I mean, what if everbody judges his new upcoming concert based on comparisons to Jeff Wayne's cancelled, much bigger world tour. What if everbody said Jeff Wayne was a liar because he promised us a huge world tour and only delivered a concert in China? That's what you "unbiased" Jeff Wayne supporters are doing to Timbo.

As for "unbiased", you have all kinds of images up here "spoofing" Timbo, but I asked if horsell_common, or anybody would tell me how to post this beautiful artwork put out by Jeff Wayne announcing his cancelled concert and no responce from him. Nor did anybody else volunteer to help me.

You say you have a right to treat Hines this way because his effort in your opion are "crap". Whereas Jeff Wayne's repeated broken promises are just fine. And the only thing Jeff Wayne has delivered is an album from more than twenty years ago, reworked. Good or bad, he's done more touting of all the things he's going to do and not delivering than Timbo.

Yes I see now...

I think there are good and bad things about all of the WAR OF THE WORLDS projects. And with the exception of mctoddridesagain and a couple of others that don't claim to be "unbiased" in their agenda against Timbo, I think most people would agree.

Anyway, if this thread goes like others I've read that raises such questions, my person will be the next thing that you will go after.

I think may go to another sports bar that isn't so filled with the supporters from one team.

[george]

Sorry for the typos. My spell check isn't working properly.

[george]

So if you are unbiased evilnerfherder, how do I post images so I can put up the poster for Jeff Wayne's cancelled world tour? A world tour which unbiased horsell_common claimed doesn't exist. Can anybody help me with this question?

[george]

And none of you Jeff Wayne supporters answered me if you know if Timbo is correct that Jeff Wayne's attorney also posts here along with the rest of Jeff Wayne's friends. I ask becuase you are saying Timbo is not telling the truth about this. And I find it odd that none of the Jeff Wayne supporters running this site outright said that Jeff Wayne's attorney doesn't post here. It IS intersting to anybody who is not so close to Jeff Wayne.

[FALLINGSTAR]

No I never said that Paramount WERE behind Hines Mctodd. I just put forward a theory that MAYBE they were. I'm also not saying that Paramount ARE behind Asylum, but out of the two THEORIES [ and I never claimed them as fact ] I'd say that the Asylum one has much more of a chance of being true. Even if you take what Hines says with a pinch of salt [ and 99% of it I certainly do ] what he says about Asylum sounds entirely plausible.

I put forward the theory about Asylum months ago so I'm not just suddenly coming out with it now, like you're making out.

I've said all along that the ones fans should blame for not doing a faithful version of the book on the big screen are Paramount. Ok Pendragon have let us down BIG time with their version and the incredibly tall claims surrounding it - but I've got a much bigger problem with Paramount than Pendragon. Paramount have also made it very hard for another company to use faithful tripods in a faithful live action [ big budget ] film.

[mctoddridesagain]

george said:

Timbo cancelled a big budget version of WAR OF THE WORLDS, which he doesn't deny and then actually makes and delivers a smaller budget movie. Okay, maybe shoestring, be he delivers and you guys go after him as if he claimed he was still delivering the big budget version. I see it written all over here. Your blending the two movies as an attack.

Er, Timbo's 'modernised' version was cancelled years ago, but he still kept insisting that his new 'period' version was going to be a big-budget film costing anything from $10m to $42m, with fx the equal of Star Trek and The Matrix blah blah yadda yadda... Now, I'm not going to get involved in your dispute about Jeff Wayne because I don't actually give a toss, but do get your facts right about Timbo before trying to defend him.

Yes, maybe it is like coming into a bar where everyone supports one team - but had you come into this bar a year ago, you would have found people's team loyalties very different indeed, to the extent that you may have been quite surprised...

Now, as for posting images:

Host your image somewhere like www.photobucket.com (you can't simply upload an image to this site, or pretty much any forum, directly from your pooter). Your image will then have its own URL, say, for example, www.photobucket.com/george/mypicture.jpg.

Copy that URL, paste it into your 'message' box when you compose your reply, select the URL and then click on the fourth icon from the left on the row of icons immediately above the smilies - it's the icon that looks a little like a picture in a frame. Basically, it puts the [ img ] and [ /img ] tags* around your picture URL, thus enabling it to appear on this forum. Have fun...


*I have had to put spaces in those tags so that they appear, otherwise without the spaces the computer thinks they're actual tags and they don't show up.

[mctoddridesagain]

FALLINGSTAR, sorry, I stand corrected - next time I take the mick I'll qualify it, like so:

Wait a minute, I thought you've always said Paramount may have been behind Hines? But now they may have been behind Asylum? Or they may have been behind both? Hell, for all we know, Paramount may have been behind Asylum, Hines, Jeff Wayne, every WotW forum on the net and H G Wells himself!

Jolly good, carry on!

[EvilNerfherder]

Firstly, George, you can post that poster should you wish. But you must have seen Horsell's post stating that that gig was nothing to do with JW and was beyond his control. If you choose to ignore that fact (which is the truth) then there's really nothing else I can say.
You know, there was a time when I would (perhaps blindly) defend Timmy to the hilt. I've seen too much idiocy to be of that mind now. Frankly, I have a feeling that there are people from his camp trying to stir it up here. Why? Because we didn't like his precious movie and most of all because he keeps spouting these ridiculous and totally unsupported theories. Stuff him. These is just MY opinions, by the way and not those the owner of the sites.
There is enough underhandedness in relation to this subject already, we really don't need anyone else to start trouble on here, when everyone else see's this nonsense for what it really is. I'm proud of what we have achieved with this site and troublemakers make me angry.
Tim Hines repeatedly shoots himself in the foot, why the hell should I support him? We don't need any has-been director telling US what we can and can't say about his flick.
What does it all boil down too? We are proud that people can say what they like here (so long as it is not going to cause legal problems). If you don't like what we offer, pick another 'bar'. But you'd have trouble finding one that supports the man, now.

[jeffwaynefan]

George, let me make a few things clear.

Right, let me start from the top so I can get things put into perspective.

1/ Yes, Jeff did plan a tour back in the 90s (so I gather) but that is old news and news that certainly does not interest me because he has a show for next year, but as other people have said, things like this can easily be cancelled - This has NOTHING to do with Pendragon, so why are we reading about it in this section?.

2/ Yes, there was to be a 'live' show a couple of years ago and as I already answered your question on this (you easily have forgotten that) this 'live' show had NOTHING to do with Jeff Wayne. The guy staging it couldn't even be bothered to get a lisence for it. Ciopyright - you must have heard of that before?.

3/ I have asked you before NOT to involve me in this dispute. So what if I know Jeff Wayne, no big deal in my books, so no good coming to me, poking around for news that may not be all good. I have been on 3 sites so far since this DAMN Tim Hines statement came out, and 3 sites have already suggested that I am Jeffs lawyer - what a laugh that is.

4/ Jeff Wayne has a film coming out AND a TV series in the pipeline. One has not been cancelled over the other so you suggest. Where ever you read that, they were wrong and you were mislead.

5/ Tim Hines did and still maintains he was going to release a BIG BUDGET movie, from his early days for the film being set in modern Seattle, right up to the 'authentic' adaptation, which incidently is NOT authentic and NOT a very good adapatation. OK, fine, I will put my hands up and say "Tim, you did what you could with such a VERY low budget, but atleast you gave it YOUR best shot", but tell me why should he insist his film was to be on a MULTI million $$$$$ budget when ALL of those who have watched it (including us mods) can CLEARLY see its NOTHING remotely like what Tim Hines said it would be. Its like you winning a competition and the guy at the end of the phone say "sir, in 3 months time you will take delivery of a £200,000 Aston Martin" and when it turns up the car is a Ford KA. . . . Im not saying that a Ford KA is rubbish, but its NOT what you were promised - so you feel let down, you feel cheated, you feel robbed - and thats how WE all feel.

I fully agree with what Nerfy said, and I am like him, I dont care anymore about what TH says, does, and even threatens, his film is NOT and I repeat NOT even worth fighting over.

Yet again, we are seeing the same thing - trouble, trouble surfacing in the Pendragon section, and as already suggested, someone who knows Tim Hines is reading this very posting of mine right now - fine , good, get him to read it himself . . .

[Ashe Raven]

Better yet

Get him to respond, himself

[RustiSwordz]

There were only two 'anti hinds members here in the beginning. myself and a chap called Motile. Mr M has long gone from here and ive been proven right that hinds was out of his depth. however i consider it a hollow victory becaus ive yet to see a new movie of WOTW that has really impressed me yet.

Roll on JW.

[FALLINGSTAR]

mctoddridesagain said:

FALLINGSTAR, sorry, I stand corrected - next time I take the mick I'll qualify it, like so:

Wait a minute, I thought you've always said Paramount may have been behind Hines? But now they may have been behind Asylum? Or they may have been behind both? Hell, for all we know, Paramount may have been behind Asylum, Hines, Jeff Wayne, every WotW forum on the net and H G Wells himself!

Jolly good, carry on!

Don't worry Todd - I will carry on........asking questions!

What amazes me is how you are so sure that you're correct all the time. How are you so sure Paramount aren't behind Asylum? Do you work for either of them?

I've never claimed anything as fact, yet you are dead sure that you're right and anyone who questions this whole Pendragon, Asylum, Paramount thing - you immediately try and ridicule and dismiss them as a conspiracy theorist or paranoid. A well known tactic to smear people who ask questions.

I've got an open mind about all of this and I'm sure there's a few other WOTW fans out there that have aswell.

All I'm saying is don't just take everything at face value as we all know the tactics big corporations use.

I'm more or less convinced that Pendragon really ARE a small independent company that made their dvd of WOTW, even though niggling doubts remain but that aside - what Hines said about the possible Asylum and Paramount connection and possible smear tactics from Paramount sounds interesting and that's 2 things that MIGHT and I stress MIGHT have a grain of truth about them.

[FALLINGSTAR]

rustiswordz said:

There were only two 'anti hinds members here in the beginning. myself and a chap called Motile. Mr M has long gone from here and ive been proven right that hinds was out of his depth. however i consider it a hollow victory becaus ive yet to see a new movie of WOTW that has really impressed me yet.

Roll on JW.

Too right. Let's hope Jeff comes out with the definitive version.

[mctoddridesagain]

fallingstar said:

How are you so sure Paramount aren't behind Asylum? Do you work for either of them?

Mwah hah ha hah ha ha ha haaaaa...!!!

[george]

I don't know what to say. I'm a bit overwhelmed by the passions on here. I don't think many who visits this site are interested in what is true or not. The alliances are formed and locked in, like political parties. It was interesting to dabble in it, though. Thank you for your time.

[mctoddridesagain]

rustiswordz said:

There were only two 'anti hinds members here in the beginning. myself and a chap called Motile.

Bloody cheek, you mean there were three: you, Motile (bless 'im) and me.