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Post by Lensman on Aug 20, 2005 10:37:03 GMT
At the risk of being an apologist for Mr. Hines (again), I'll point out that these days it's quite normal for a film's first appearance on DVD to be followed later by a "director's cut" or "special edition" in an effort to get you to buy the same thing again. And if anyone has ever offered a discount for those who bought the first edition-- let alone a replacement-- I've never heard of it.
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Post by Lensman on Aug 20, 2005 10:49:49 GMT
1) Employ another editor / post producer as Hines is too close to his material....it needs MAJOR slashing Perhaps this *is* what happened. Someone noted the marked improvement on the last trailer and suggested it was the DVD company that edited it together. Perhaps, as has been suggested, this new edit is being done in the hope of showing the movie on TV. Perhaps someone else has re-edited the film for Hines. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps the original version really was such a rush job that Hines didn't have time to edit it the way he wanted. Since Hines is so reticent about the production, we are once again left to speculate.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Aug 20, 2005 11:04:27 GMT
If it was just the editing that was the problem, then fine, a re-edited version might be worth seeing.
But add the dreadful script, appalling acting, cruddy production values, shoddy 'special' effects, and, well, every aspect of what constitutes a competently made film being lamentably conspicuous by their absence, a mere 're-edit' is worth about as much as a cardboard wedding ring.
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Post by theredweed on Aug 21, 2005 0:39:33 GMT
I have lost the plot with this, when is it to be sold to the common man?
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Post by Lensman on Aug 21, 2005 8:31:05 GMT
The only thing we know is what Charles said in the very first post in this thread: "It will be available to the public very soon."
I parse that as "Hines said it will be available very soon." Very few on this forum need to have it pointed out that Mr. Hines is not exactly reliable when it comes to promising "soon" on his WotW film.
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Post by eveofthewar on Aug 21, 2005 19:34:58 GMT
Mmmm sounds interesting. Maybe they will send me a copy.... I never did get the original DVD I was promised from them ....
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Aug 21, 2005 20:10:42 GMT
I parse that as "Hines said it will be available very soon." Very few on this forum need to have it pointed out that Mr. Hines is not exactly reliable when it comes to promising "soon" on his WotW film. So at a rough estimate, that could be between now and the next ice age.
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Post by Poyks on Aug 21, 2005 20:22:31 GMT
I parse that as "Hines said it will be available very soon." Very few on this forum need to have it pointed out that Mr. Hines is not exactly reliable when it comes to promising "soon" on his WotW film. So at a rough estimate, that could be between now and the next ice age. That's a bit over optimistic H_C. ;D
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Post by theredweed on Aug 21, 2005 21:43:33 GMT
It will give us a way of making a fire in this ice age, though. reflex the dim sunlight off the disc onto some hay and yeah man has fire again!!!!
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Aug 21, 2005 21:44:37 GMT
So at a rough estimate, that could be between now and the next ice age. That's a bit over optimistic H_C. ;D I'm sure Wells himself prophesied it in 'The Time Machine', let me look... 'I stopped very gently and sat upon the Time Machine, looking round. The sky was no longer blue. Overhead it was a deep Indian red and starless, and south-eastward it grew brighter to a glowing scarlet where, cut by the horizon, lay the huge hull of the sun, red and motionless. The rocks about me were of a harsh reddish colour, in a perpetual twilight.
The machine was standing on a sloping beach. The sea stretched away to the south-west, to rise into a sharp bright horizon against the wan sky. I shivered and seated myself more firmly upon the machine.
Looking round me again, I saw that, quite near, what I had taken to be a reddish mass of rock was moving slowly towards me. Then I saw the thing was really a monstrous crab-like creature. Can you imagine a crab as large as yonder table, with its many legs moving slowly and uncertainly, its big claws swaying, its long antennae, like carters' whips, waving and feeling, and its stalked eyes gleaming at you on either side of its metallic front? Its back was corrugated and ornamented with ungainly bosses, and a greenish incrustation blotched it here and there.
I could see the many palps of its complicated mouth flickering and feeling as it moved.
A strange wheezing sound, at first indistinguishable from the softly moaning swell of the oily sea, became audible from the creature. At first I took it to be an insensible animal gasp, but as I strained my ears, I could make out words!
"Has that bastard Hines finished that f**king re-edit of his poxy film yet?" rasped the monstrous creature.
Utterly disgusted and overwhelmed with nausea and pity at the desperate yearning such words conveyed, I set the lever of the Time Machine forward and fled that godforsaken shore...'Oh, I was wrong, it will be way after the next Ice Age...
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Post by Lensman on Aug 22, 2005 6:24:50 GMT
LOL! Very clever, McTodd.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Aug 23, 2005 11:17:58 GMT
Clearly you are a man of discernment and impeccable taste! I may bung it on the end of my website, ahem, ask my friend to bung it on the end of his website. Not that I know him, he's not really a friend and in no way connected with me, Susan Goforthandmultiply!
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Post by DarkStar on Aug 31, 2005 11:34:28 GMT
Well I got to see the origanl yesterday and pretty much felt that the movie really could do with being looked at again - so I;m glad to hear this is already being done. I've done some editing in my time and there was so much that could have been done to help things along so i'll be glad to see another version - when ever its available.
Sadly I don't think much can be done for the acting though which IMHO varied a lot from some quite moving performances to other that where OTT. I'm sorry to say I had a hard time believing that the actors where professional as I've seen amatuer groups do better in some cases.
Was it a case that the movie was rushed out onto DVD? I know we waited along time so it would seem that rushing it out wasn't the case. However if this movie had been released later, could everything have been better in post production?
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Aug 31, 2005 12:29:09 GMT
However if this movie had been released later, could everything have been better in post production? No. Hines had already had the best part of five years to work on it, if he couldn't pull it together in that time, when was he going to do it? In any case, it's clear from the number of problems with the film that time simply wasn't one. Hines' fundamental misunderstanding of the process of adapting a novel to the screen; the simultaneously slavish, and yet garbled, screenplay, which points to his lack of a real understanding of the book; the acting which, as you point out, could never be redeemed by spending more time, only by replacing the cast; and the misconceived approach to the visuals; these all indicate that more time would simply have been more time wasted. It's about time that the absurd myth that Hines needed more time was laid to rest - wake up and smell the coffee, guys, it's a turkey through and through!
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Post by Charles on Aug 31, 2005 16:16:20 GMT
Hello lads,
Its been a while, I know. Been busy with my new son and other activities…
I haven’t heard from Timothy Hines in a few weeks, but last I did he projected an October release for the reedit. I have no idea what kind of fanfare (if any) there will be.
I finally finished watching the reedit last month. I will restate what I said at first; it’s the same film minus the overly long walking scenes and with some of the effects glossed over and otherwise tweaked. If you hated it to begin with, the reedit isn’t going to turn it into “Citizen Kane” for you. If you were amused or liked it, you will probably be curious enough to seek it out on your own. Simple as that.
I saw the 25 minute Blackmoon parody of the film the other day and almost pissed myself laughing…
Still haven’t seen the Asylum version or heard Jeff Wayne’s remix.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Aug 31, 2005 16:33:10 GMT
Nice to see you back Charles. Interesting to hear about this Blackmoon parody. Is that on dvd?
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Post by Charles on Aug 31, 2005 16:42:33 GMT
Not on DVD, I saw it online. It was posted on the IMDb so-called "message board."
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Aug 31, 2005 18:53:04 GMT
Wonder who posted that.
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Post by bittersound on Sept 1, 2005 20:55:11 GMT
Flippin' heck, has he tidied up any of the sfx? Yes, he has; quite a bit from what I've seen. For one thing, the moshing skeletons are gone (and that's good!). The pacing of the story is much better overall...and there seems to be less walking, too. what about the incomprehensible use of different filters?
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Post by Lensman on Sept 2, 2005 9:49:36 GMT
C'mon, Charles, we're dying to know: Have the FX on the Thunder Child sequence been re-done? Have they been improved? Have the background shots been replaced with ones that do *not* make it look like the ships are skating over the water at an absurd speed?
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