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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 19, 2005 12:17:05 GMT
He'll never do that - he'll say that no other film maker releases Director's Cuts with discounts on the old versions, so why should he? Of course, had he made the damn thing properly in the first place he wouldn't be having to perform this latest bout of surgery, but there you go... Oops, I just violated my earlier rule! Tough.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jul 19, 2005 12:22:02 GMT
Well, as the old adage goes - if you have nothing good to say, say nothing. Um... ..................... I don't have anything to say . . . . Hang on, yes I do and I just said it
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Post by the Donal on Jul 19, 2005 12:46:26 GMT
Well- it is encouraging that he is aproaching the film again after much feedback- perhaps now he has a few sales, he can afford to get the re-editing done and touch up the special effects (please use the most budget on the Thunderchild scene!).
I do hope that he removes the pointless and silly scenes- where Ogilvy gets locked up in the barn and the awful bit at the sister's house- yes they're in the book and an attempt at humour of the period, but they detract from the film rather than add to it IMO.
Good job I haven't bought it yet...!
edit- also, it furthers my point in another thread (can't remember which) that constructive criticism can only help Tim Hines to be a better film maker- that's no bad thing you know!
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 19, 2005 12:48:11 GMT
Well.........
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Post by Ulaaaa! on Jul 19, 2005 16:45:29 GMT
Aye, some people need to give the poor guy a break. Seems like he's taken on board the critisism and trying to do something about it. What more do people want??? Blood? Blood would be nice yes, it would show true dedication and would suit my captive Martian just dandy.
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Post by Warmonger on Jul 19, 2005 17:02:34 GMT
great, so I spent all that money buying it from amazon and paying the same price again on shipping and now there is a new release which is going to be better than the one i've bought .. fantastic. *thanks* mr hines. Well, I don't know how much you spent, but I'm not going to cry too hard over the $9 I spent at WalMart. If he made the film better then good for him. Obviously he didn't have to--it was already in distribution. If the reedited version is better, I'll probably pick that one up too. But I don't think I'd want to dump the one I already have. I imagine that once the new version is out, they will stop selling the original version, meaning that you'll never be able to get it again. While some people may say that that is a good thing if you like to collect WOTW stuff, it could be kind of cool to have the original version, no matter how bad it is. I mean, if we were talking $20-30 I might balk at it, but at $9 it is hard to get too upset about the whole thing.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jul 19, 2005 17:59:51 GMT
A new edit is better than nothing I suppose but I don't know about anyone else - I'm still totally unhappy with the way this whole thing has worked out. The way Hines has talked this film and his company up made it seem like they were the next Wingnut Pictures [ L.O.T.Rings ] not bloody Troma pictures.
And it still doesn't alter the fact that it's a cheapo straight to dvd film not the big screen epic we were led to believe it would be. Very unsatisfactory.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Jul 19, 2005 20:09:15 GMT
2 little 2 late.
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Post by RossH on Jul 19, 2005 21:36:47 GMT
You know, I've been very generous to Mr Hines over the past year. I never expected his movie to compete with the hype, publicity and production values of Spielbergs' version. I wasn't dissapointed or surprised that the movie didn't have a cinematic release- I really didn't see it getting a wide release anyway. I saw the 1st trailer and gave him the benefit of the doubt (it was rushed, the editing sucks but the footage is fine etc.). The release date came and went without a peep from Mr Hines and I wasn't surprised, nor was I angry.
I've always posted positive (or at least neutral) posts on this site about the movie under development. I had a 'wait and see' attitude, my mind open to the possibility that despite all the bull form Pendragon (which let's be honest, is probably no more than an attempt at 'marketing' and 'hype'), that the movie would be quite entertaining.
Then nothing and, like most people, I expected the movie was dead. But I kept quiet. Then out of the blue a DVD release was announced. I was cautious, but when a new trailer was released that actually contained new footage I preordered the DVD from Amazon.com.
I watched the movie and found the fx and compositing to be completely amateurish (beyond acceptable old 'Dr Who' standards, but the biggest flaw was the editing/pacing of the nearly 3hr movie.
And now we hear that Mr Hines is re-editing the movie, with 45 minutes LESS footage in it. Will this make a better movie, probably- there was a lot of chaff in the released version. Does this indicate Mr Hines listens to criticism, well yes it probably does (although it may be a way to get the movie onto the TV as a 2 rather than 3hr movie). Do I wish Mr Hines well with this latest installment- of course. Am I happy about the news about a new version, why the hell would I be?
Maybe some people are missing an important point on this thread, but the people most excited about the re-edit appear to be people who haven't actually BOUGHT THE ORIGINAL DVD and so have nothing to lose. I paid my money (so it was cheap, so what), I supported Mr Hines with both my words AND my money and now if I want the 'proper' version of the film I will have to buy it again?
Again, let me say that I am interested in seeing how the re-edit goes, and want to know more about the changes/improvements. I do not hold a grudge against Mr Hines and I wish him the best. But will someone explain to me why I should follow the advice of some people on this thread and be happy about the prospect of possibly having to buy the movie again to see, not a 'directors cut' but, a 'finished version' of the film.
And let's be honest, do you really think those of us who bought the DVD will get a free 'update' disk in the post, or somehow trade the old DVD for a new one?
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jul 19, 2005 22:24:09 GMT
What annoys me is that I and I'm sure many other people thought he had something special up his sleeve. Maybe we were stupid in hoping for this but it's not surprising considering the amount of hype [ and that's being charitable ] we were given.
Again I haven't seen the film but most of the reviews I've seen seem to be very genuine and at the end of the day it's nothing more than an amateurish fan film. I think that's totally unnaceptable for such a great and famous book.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 19, 2005 22:29:45 GMT
...at the end of the day it's nothing more than an amateurish fan film. I think that's totally unnaceptable for such a great and famous book. I have seen it, and you are 100% correct. Even re-editing, even scrapping the sfx and doing them again from scratch, will not save it, merely make it less excruciating, because every aspect is compromised.
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Post by Charles on Jul 20, 2005 2:28:13 GMT
Though I've been rather preoccupied lately, I’m glad to see what seems to be a more respectful tone on the board these days.
Though I still haven’t had a chance to watch part II of the re-edit, its clear from the emotions some have invested in this film that if you didn’t like it before, any re-edit isn’t going to change your mind.
I was surprised at the price when I bought my first copy last month, and I’m sure the re-edit isn’t going to cost any more than that.
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Post by timeship2 on Jul 20, 2005 2:52:49 GMT
So the question is, will he just redistribute it through Walmart etc again? Or will we have to special order it somewhere. Also will it be identified as a new version so you don't end up purchasing the original again.
Maybe Mr Hines is on the leading edge after all since he is now pioneering the concept of the 'upgradable' movie LOL
For a small monthly fee you will have access to the latest edits of the War of the Worlds each month!
Version History:
2.1 Martian Bug Fix! 2.0 Reedit 1.0 Original Movie
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Post by FutureDirector on Jul 20, 2005 5:44:13 GMT
So the For a small monthly fee you will have access to the latest edits of the War of the Worlds each month! Version History: 2.1 Martian Bug Fix! 2.0 Reedit 1.0 Original Movie [/i][/quote] lol you forgot 10.6 ThunderChild Finished scene XD anyway. I think he did the 1st one as a late april fools... maybe this will actually make us silent. 0.0... we might have to see.. I hope it's good though and enjoyable lol.
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Post by Gnorn on Jul 20, 2005 9:34:28 GMT
What I appreciate of Mr. Hines is that he has actually listened to the fans of this story and is trying to make it a better film (which it should have been in the first place, but alas). He could have let it drop for all he cared and continue work on Chrome. I asume he isn't happy with the first film aswell, but was maybe put under pressure to finish it in time to be in the shops before Spielberg's movie was released. But that's all guessing.
-Gnorn
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Post by HTT on Jul 20, 2005 9:38:52 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]I said before that the spirit of the book was there, and the script was excellent - just let down by the acting, the length, and the FX. I can live with the acting, so as long as the length is decreased, and the FX revisited I'd be happy. In fact, if the film was kept the same length but edited down with additional footage added (eg the drunken party, more Dead London) I'd be happier.
I'd like to know what the FX now look like, especially the Thunder Child!
Thanks, Charles, for letting us know about this!
I shall definately be interested in a new edit of this movie (i did think that the original release appeard to be a 'rough cut' of everything lumped together before starting on editing). It's a shame Tim raced the original cut out, instead of tidying it up in the first place. I suppose he had no choice really - with the Paramount movie looming, and fan pressure after the delays. [/glow]
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 20, 2005 10:10:11 GMT
The script was awful - simply transcribing page after page of descriptive prose into dialogue does not make a good script, you may as well listen to an audiobook. That and the inaccuracies which suggested that the sriptwriter didn't actually understand parts of the book...
And I wouldn't get too excited about the vfx being improved either - Hines had five years to make this, I really doubt he'll be able to turn it around in a matter of weeks.
I'm curious to see how it turns out, though, but only in that I'm expecting it to be slightly less abysmal than it currently is. Nothing will ever make Timothy Hines's version of The War of the Worlds a good film as it is inherently inept.
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Post by David Faltskog on Jul 20, 2005 11:49:16 GMT
This is really getting a kicking on IMDB.
D.F.
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Post by Gnorn on Jul 20, 2005 14:34:12 GMT
Well, what else is new?
-Gnorn
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Post by RossH on Jul 20, 2005 17:55:41 GMT
Though I still haven’t had a chance to watch part II of the re-edit, its clear from the emotions some have invested in this film that if you didn’t like it before, any re-edit isn’t going to change your mind. I am certainly interested in seeing the re-edit, though my beef is that to do that I have to buy another copy of a film I wasn't very impressed with. I don't regret my purchase, I did want to see the movie. But now having bought it, I'm not sure I want to buy another copy. While a re-edit will certainly help the film ( there is some truth in the above statement), I think there are more technical problems with the footage that a re-edit won't fix . While you can easily turn a blind eye top most, the 'thunderchild' sequence stands out as completely unacceptable. It is barely an animatic, never mind a finished piece of film. The only way to fix this with an edit is toedit it out completely. But again, I am not against Hines re-editing the movie. What I am against is people telling me how grateful I should be that now I have the chance to buy the 'proper' version of ths film after already buying the original release. So, in that spirit, let me be the first to tell everyone to buy the discontinued George Pal '53 WOTW movie on DVD, safe in the knowledge that I'll have some good news for anyone that does in early November... when the collectors edition is released.
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