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Post by maniacs on Jul 12, 2005 20:53:06 GMT
I bought the genuine version myself.
Not once have I offered to distribute the redited version to anyone. All I've actually done is cut out unwanted scenes for my own personal use.
As I recall if i'm not going to broadcast or sell it or give it away I've not done anything wrong.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jul 12, 2005 21:09:07 GMT
That's all well and good, Maniacs, but you have had several replies asking for copies. I think distributing an edited copy of the film, even without gain, could well be illegal. You have discussed what you have done so the point was made. I do not want this site getting into trouble with any of the film companies for allowing discussion of illegal practices regarding copyrighted material, hence my decision. The post is still there, although I wouldn't write off us being asked to remove it at some point. I think I've been more than fair. Sorry if this inconveniences you but that's the way it is.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 12, 2005 21:12:49 GMT
Fair point - Maniacs was discussing a re-edited version for his own use - the title of his thread ('Re-edited for myself') being rather a giveaway in that respect.
I understand your concern, Nerfy, about potential breaches of copyright, but I would have thought it obvious that my comment about a DVD was in jest - I'm not completely stupid you know, despite what you clearly think.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jul 12, 2005 21:27:18 GMT
McT. I don't think you are stupid. Far from it. But, despite what you say, you will have to bear in mind that companies don't have a sense of humour where copyright is concerned, a fact we are all too aware of. I'm not being censorous here despite what you think. I'm just thinking about the bigger picture and looking after the sites interests. I hope you will respect my motives if nothing else.
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Post by Marcus on Jul 12, 2005 21:57:56 GMT
Havnt we had this conversation and not made any progress before?
I just say leave it be for what it is.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jul 12, 2005 22:04:01 GMT
You're right, Marcus - and Nerfy, I completely understand your jumpiness. After all, we do all know how sensitive fillum types can be! It's a wrap!
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jul 12, 2005 22:31:33 GMT
Not jumpy McT.. just being sensible. But yeah, it's all good.
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Post by robkral on Jul 13, 2005 7:04:27 GMT
Maniacs (and all)
I found Maniacs post very interesting....I have a few video editing programs and thought of doing the same thing myself, I just don't have the time. Admin. MUST do what it needs to to protect itself and "lookout" for the producers, but I did want Maniacs to know that his post about his edits was interesting.
Hines should read it!!! I don't mean that in a mean spirited way but purely as constructive criticism, as a film maker he should read it.
HERE IS THE THING: when a fan takes all this time to edit this massive movie, it says UNDERNEATH that there is some love for the movie!!! Otherwise Maniacs wouldn't bother, I presume, but somewhere in there is what really could have been a very cool film or at least an appreciatiation for some of what was done, which is bringing the story to life.
Don't get me wrong, I found the film almost un-watchable. And yet, I just might take it to my own computer editing program one day because I'd love to see an edited version of this movie in action.
Anyway, as I said, fascinating post, in the editing thread, Maniacs.
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Post by maniacs on Jul 13, 2005 7:57:50 GMT
Maniacs (and all) I found Maniacs post very interesting....I have a few video editing programs and thought of doing the same thing myself, I just don't have the time. Admin. MUST do what it needs to to protect itself and "lookout" for the producers, but I did want Maniacs to know that his post about his edits was interesting. Hines should read it!!! I don't mean that in a mean spirited way but purely as constructive criticism, as a film maker he should read it. HERE IS THE THING: when a fan takes all this time to edit this massive movie, it says UNDERNEATH that there is some love for the movie!!! Otherwise Maniacs wouldn't bother, I presume, but somewhere in there is what really could have been a very cool film or at least an appreciatiation for some of what was done, which is bringing the story to life. Don't get me wrong, I found the film almost un-watchable. And yet, I just might take it to my own computer editing program one day because I'd love to see an edited version of this movie in action. Anyway, as I said, fascinating post, in the editing thread, Maniacs. Thanks matey. There is a watchable movie under all those awful excesses. When I watched the film I found it watchable but not brilliant. I would have watched it again. I decided to try re-editing it after a thread about turning off the colour and I felt it was a good point. So I thought I'd take it further. I just wish TH had been more ruthless in the editing stage and dropped many of the worth sequences.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jul 13, 2005 11:27:56 GMT
Admin. MUST do what it needs to to protect itself and "lookout" for the producers, but I did want Maniacs to know that his post about his edits was interesting. Just a small point, Robkral. I actually don't give a fig for the producers. I don't owe them a thing. I do, however, care about this site. That's what it was all about.
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Post by maniacs on Jul 13, 2005 12:17:09 GMT
Nerfy,
when I made the thread I was aware some people may see it as a pirating scam. That I was out distribute the result. That's why the initial page was so long. I'm close to a half descent movie, I cant show it, but I can explain my process of thinking to achieve a more watchable movie.
Face facts. You still have to have the movie, decrypt it, recode the files, edit the files, compile the finished work to dvd.
I was already about to say I'm not going to distribute when suddenly I see your post locking the threads. Thats crap. Im pronounced guilty before commiting a crime! Where was the warning!
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jul 13, 2005 12:54:58 GMT
I cant believe after all that has gone on in this section of the board your asking where the warnings were - all over this section of the board if you care to look.
Everytime something kicks off we are giving out warnings. . . . There's your answer.
We have to take you word for it that you wish 'not' to distribute this film you have re-edited. By doing what you have already you have broken copyrights and then posted it upon this public forum what you have done and a forum that is STILL being watched by the film companies. This is still a delicate time for ALL film distributors as there watching one another. Then we get a posting stating a fan has ripped the film apart and re-edited the film, then brags about it - nice move.
Of course your going to get people asking about the film, the things you have done, things you have removed and re-edited - there curious to know what has been done to this film by a fan.
As mods we have the right and the final decision to edit, deleate and even lock and remove ANY posts we feel that are not ideal for the site in a way that could cause problems for the site, webmaster and moderator. - this was one of them.
Were the one's who have to take the 'brunt' of the complaints from the said parties, but I can easily pass your details on to them for them to sort it out for you instead of US doing it all the time.
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Post by EvilNerfherder on Jul 13, 2005 19:17:17 GMT
Maniacs.. why can't you just drop it? Why would I give you a warning? We only do that to naughty people, are you a naughty person? The board rules should be enough of a warning. Don't you remember the fuss that was made by PP over a fan edited trailer that was posted here? Perhaps you don't, but I do. I thought closing the thread was much fairer. Obviously, for some people, we mods can never win. Not that we'll have any sleepless nights over it. If you want to keep arguing, I'll delete the bloody thing as well, which, under the board rules, I am quite entitled to do. In fact, I probably should have. I made a fair decision in the interest of the site and, as a mod's decision, it is final. As Horsell suggested, if you people knew half of what goes on behind the scenes that we have to deal with you'd realise that I did the right thing. End of subject.
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Post by maniacs on Jul 15, 2005 8:57:46 GMT
'I think distributing an edited copy of the film, even without gain, could well be illegal.'
Yes it is. So is broadcasting it so that more than a family size group of people can see it even accidentally. You can get done if your watching it and anyone walking past your house can see it. In theory. Copying it and passing it is illegal. Taking screenshots is. Taking sound samples is. Any form of distribution is illegal unless you've had consent from the owners.
Nerfy,
Ive said nowt for a couple o days. No I'm not a naughty boy. I just wanted to give fellow fans some hope. I agree with your viewpoint on copyright etc
I was just hurt you thought I'm after a quick pound and I never got a chance to say 'Please don't ask for DVD etc'. I was also making a point there is a descent movie amid all that mess.
Incedentally I only bought the movie because of the idea I might be able to cut out the bad bits. It appealed to my artistic side and I liked the challenge but it was always only for my own enjoyment. Really. I might actually of got Hinesy some extra sales.
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Post by ecc84 on Jul 15, 2005 21:22:15 GMT
just to let you know if you live in the UK a law was passed last year based on intellectual property theft. it was all to do with Sony corporation and people who were fitting Mod chips in ps2 they succesfully got the sale and making of these banned in the uk. this extended to anything that was classed as someones intellectual property as in pendragons film. it is the intellectual property of pendragon and you could now legally be sued if you live in the uk and the penalties are very hefty fines and prison sentences. the website itself could be legally responsible as any posts that you make regarding this and can be used in evidence against you as it is a legally binding document the same as e-mail is. the reason i know all of this is that i used to work in a company where data protection had to be fully understood and the legislative procedures as well otherwise we could find ourselves being sued. so be very careful what you say and where you say it as it may come back and bite you in the arse someday.
keep smiling
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Post by maniacs on Jul 15, 2005 21:33:32 GMT
I see your point matey. Does this apply to non distribution or non broadcasting. In other words, if I decided to take a screen shot and some sounds from a film I have bought and use it on my PC for my personal viewing would I then be copable?
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Post by Gnorn on Jul 15, 2005 21:47:59 GMT
Call me stupid or whatever the hell you want... but if I buy something, be it a book, a movie or whatever... I can do with it whatever the hell I want. I can burn the book. Edit the movie. Whatever. Even put a mod chip in my Xbox. I bought it, I can do with it what I want. As long as I don't distribute it, sell it, or otherwise do something with it that may damage the company's profites, image and such. I don't want to get into the f*king copyright laws (they are to difficult as they are) but how can - in this example editing a movie for ones own pleasure - be illegal? Sorry if I went out of line with this post, but I really don't get it.
-Gnorn
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Post by maniacs on Jul 16, 2005 8:04:04 GMT
Call me stupid or whatever the hell you want... but if I buy something, be it a book, a movie or whatever... I can do with it whatever the hell I want. I can burn the book. Edit the movie. Whatever. Even put a mod chip in my Xbox. I bought it, I can do with it what I want. As long as I don't distribute it, sell it, or otherwise do something with it that may damage the company's profites, image and such. I don't want to get into the f*king copyright laws (they are to difficult as they are) but how can - in this example editing a movie for ones own pleasure - be illegal? Sorry if I went out of line with this post, but I really don't get it. -Gnorn In a nutshell...
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Post by RustiSwordz on Jul 16, 2005 15:43:45 GMT
'I think distributing an edited copy of the film, even without gain, could well be illegal.'I was just hurt you thought I'm after a quick pound and I never got a chance to say 'Please don't ask for DVD etc'. I was also making a point there is a descent movie amid all that mess. thats a bit like trying to make a masterpiece out of dog poo. i tell a lie, you have the tate gallery, maybe Heinsy can sent the film there, he'd make a mint cos all they do is accept crap...
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Post by maniacs on Jul 16, 2005 17:18:34 GMT
Rusti,
You totally hated the film. I didn't. There you go! The way the world is.
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