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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 7, 2005 20:29:42 GMT
Well after all the promises and all the hype from Hines and co, it's come to this - a pathetic straight to dvd film complete with bad special effects and even what appears to be unfinished ones in some places. Effectively turning Wells masterpiece into a joke. No wonder Pendragon have been so evasive.
Am I surprised - not really we all know the signs haven't been good from the start, but hands up who else was hoping Hines secretly had something special up his sleeve for this classic work of fiction. No wonder people were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. Hines has consistently raised our expectations by making grandiose claims.
Again let's look at some of the statements he's made -
My picture HG Wells The War Of The Worlds is an epic with thousands of special effects.
HG Wells The War Of The Worlds is all we hoped it would be and more.
I've worked for 7 years on this film [ really and this is the best he comes up with ].
It's not for me to say masterpiece or not masterpiece but I'm deeply proud of what we're creating here. I'm getting up like a 5 year old child at Christmas time.
I've been intending to make W.O.T.Worlds all my life.
We haven't rushed anything.
A life passion for myself and everyone involved [ again is this dvd the best he can come up with ].
It would have been absurd to cut scenes or rush special effects.
And by one of his associates -
Like Peter Jackson with L.O.T.Rings Timothy is a deep fan of W.O.T.Worlds
On Chrome -
We had the infusion of almost a 100 CGI artists, special effects technicians and model builders [ really, then why don't they appear to have been used on W.O.T.Worlds?] and why are the special effects in your Chrome trailer better than the ones in W.O.T.Worlds?
Then there was the ever changing budget and also this is perhaps his best statement of all -
WE HAVE WORLD CLASS TALENT WORKING ON THE SPECIAL EFFECTS AND IF PEOPLE THINK WE'RE MAKING SOME STRAIGHT TO DVD THING, THEN THEY WILL BE STUNNED WHEN THEY SEE WHAT WE HAVE DONE.
I don't suppose we'll get any answers but anyone else think that us WOTW fans have been taken for a ride and treated like a bunch of fools?
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Post by Lensman on Jun 7, 2005 21:14:38 GMT
WE HAVE WORLD CLASS TALENT WORKING ON THE SPECIAL EFFECTS AND IF PEOPLE THINK WE'RE MAKING SOME STRAIGHT TO DVD THING, THEN THEY WILL BE STUNNED WHEN THEY SEE WHAT WE HAVE DONE. Well he's right... I *was* stunned when I saw the Thunder Child sequence. ;D Seriously, I would love to read an insider "tell-all" about what went wrong on this film. Of course, that won't come from Hines. And I'd like to know exactly how those Non-Disclosure Agreements that Hines made everyone sign are worded. Are people released from them once the film is out, or are they expected to carry their secrets with them to the grave?
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Post by dudalb on Jun 7, 2005 21:25:03 GMT
It's sad, really. A chance for a wonderful film blown.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Jun 7, 2005 21:39:48 GMT
Well, as Derek & Clive might have put it, "What a f****** c***..." Seriously, although I'm not at all surprised it's revealed to be pants, I am saddened. I'd have happily eaten every bad word I ever typed about Hines if he'd pulled this movie round, if it had turned out he was indulging in the biggest tease ever, I'd have gone out and bought a very expensive hat just to eat with those words, with a side helping of dog poo, quite frankly. Say what you will, but the only reason we sad deluded geeks turn up here day on day, week on week, month on month, is because we love that masterpiece of Mr Wells, 'The War of the Worlds'. That someone promised to make a spectacular period film adaptation was sheer music to everyone's ears. Just think what 21st century sfx technology could do for this towering story! Sadly...
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Post by tinckelly on Jun 7, 2005 21:56:11 GMT
Hear hear McTodd. Beautifully put.
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Post by jackson on Jun 7, 2005 22:07:45 GMT
I think Hines couldnt direct a turd out of his ass, unless it looks like Anthony Piana (like brad pitt but different)
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Post by jackson on Jun 7, 2005 22:08:34 GMT
actually i think he did and it went straight to DVD. . .. . . . . . . bellend
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Post by jackson on Jun 7, 2005 22:09:49 GMT
ruiner of awesome sci-fi sould be made to undergo a sex change with a swizzle stick and some jam.
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Post by dudalb on Jun 7, 2005 22:12:24 GMT
Hines, back in 1999, made a film of Shakespear's "A Midsummer Night's Dream" to try to cash in on Kevin Klein/Michelle Pffeifer version . So apparently wrecking Classic works of literature is nothing new to Timbo.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jun 7, 2005 22:16:26 GMT
Guys, we have heard all this before. FALLINGSTAR, you answered your own question - your/we are not going to get an answer. All because many threads in this area of the board are closed and because most of what is above has already been said long ago, there is really no need to be going over old grounds.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 7, 2005 22:17:30 GMT
The annoying thing is that even though I haven't seen the final dvd it sounds as if the main problem is with the pace of the movie and the special effects.
Not forgetting that Hines made grandiose claims about this being a major motion picture release in the cinemas of course but I find it baffling as to why the effects aren't up to standard. As I've said - the Chrome trailer seemed to be impressive in the visuals department so why is this so half baked. Hines can't be that stupid that he thinks fans of the biggest sci fi novel of all time will accept mediocrity - surely.
I started a thread a while back putting forward an argument [ just an argument and not a statement of fact] that this whole WOTW thing could have been conjured up by Hines to get publicity for his company and real pet project Chrome. Makes me wonder if there's some truth in that.
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Jun 8, 2005 0:18:52 GMT
Timmy Hines reminds me of the spruiker (spelling?) out the front of the Ghost Train at the local carnival. He promises you that you will be scared stupid and lots of other hyperbole but once you go in you realise all it is is ghosts hanging on fishing wire and skeletons on springs. He is a showman so of course he is going to hype his own product even if he knows full well it's a load of toss and as any showman will tell you, it's not their fault you got suckered. It's a pity that it's such a wasted opportunity but at the end of the day that's what you have to accept.
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Post by recumbentrider on Jun 8, 2005 0:29:01 GMT
I have two theories about Mr. Hines and this movie. The first is that he started this project with all sincerity, and it became just to big for him, and he simply underestimated the effort in creating the film he really wanted. If this is the case, the DVD release may have been an attempt to recoup losses when the project looked like it was near failure. One can imagine him making the deal with the DVD distributor, and then just quickly throwing what he had of the film together to meet the distributor's deadline. This would certainly explain the sloppy editing, the disjointed scenes, and the incomplete-looking special effects that appear on the DVD movie.
When I re-read some of the articles available online that were written before the film's appearance, I tend to drift towards a different view. The way he talked about this film in such grandiose terms make me wonder if he has a lot in common with the film maker William Castle. William Castle made a series of cheap horror films in the fifties, such as 'The House on Haunted Hill'. In his promotion for that film, (with a straight face, mind you) he told everyone that the film was so frightening that he took out 'burial insurance' with Lloyds of London to cover the funeral expenses of anyone who died of fright while viewing the film.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jun 8, 2005 1:58:57 GMT
Charles what do you make of all this? I know you said that Hines had been in touch lately but I don't think any of us were expecting this. Have you seen it at your local Wal Mart?
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Post by Lensman on Jun 8, 2005 2:06:09 GMT
Charles told me (private message) that he would be trying again tonite to find it at his local Wal-Mart.
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Post by HTT on Jun 8, 2005 9:10:42 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Any comment from Pendragon would be welcome. Obviously, they're reading these posts, as they found the link to the screen caps and asked for their removal.
As they were so quick to have them removed, can we also have a speedy word from Tim to explain what went wrong with the FX (esp the cartoon Thunderchild). [/glow]
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Post by tinckelly on Jun 8, 2005 10:13:03 GMT
I know one of the things that is often asked here is, "if you think the Pendragon film is ****, why do you keep talking about it?"
For my part it's because I find the story of what is happening/happened with Hines absolutely fascinating. For anyone interested in film, sometimes the most tedious films have amazing back-storys, deal-making, rip-offs, back-stabbing going on behind them. I can recommend David Hughes books on Greatest movies never made as an example.
I told a movie journalist friend of mine that there is obviously a cracking story behind this whole PP enterprise. If it ever gets told, (and the truth won't come from Hines), it's a perverse thought, that such a great book as WOTW, could end up as such an awful film, which in turn might inspire a great book about the making of it. Sheesh.
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Post by Lensman on Jun 8, 2005 10:19:09 GMT
I was thinking the same thing... that a book on what went wrong with this movie would be *far* more interesting than the official "making of" books that are supposedly coming out.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Jun 8, 2005 10:35:57 GMT
i wont touch it with a barge pole, all the talk has done has confirmed that i was right.
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Post by tinckelly on Jun 8, 2005 11:11:11 GMT
Ah Rusti, but think of the movie that could then be made from that 'making of' book!!
The Hines Version. One mans struggle to bring his true vision of Victorian sci-fi to the screen, whilst being thwarted by the evil forces of Hollywood capitalism. Starring Brad Pitt as Timothy Hines. Alan Rickman as The evil Paramount executive.
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