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Post by Gnorn on Apr 11, 2005 23:06:36 GMT
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Apr 11, 2005 23:13:59 GMT
Yes, he's using Etchasketch.
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Post by Gnorn on Apr 11, 2005 23:16:54 GMT
Yes, hahaha. But realy? What program is Mr. Hines using?
-Gnorn
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Post by beecus on Apr 11, 2005 23:42:53 GMT
It dosn't look like 3D Studio Max, I use that... It looks like the one they used for Babylon 5... erm... Lightwave I think it was called.
Interestingly, the graphics on the screen are of a battleship of somekind, Thunderchild perhaps? ;D
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Post by BrutalDeluxe on Apr 12, 2005 1:00:17 GMT
I do believe it is Lightwave
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Post by maniacs on Apr 12, 2005 8:04:07 GMT
Looks like Lightwave to me.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Apr 12, 2005 8:45:39 GMT
Interestingly, the graphics on the screen are of a battleship of somekind, Thunderchild perhaps? ;D The graphic is of a late 19th century Royal Navy turtledeck torpedo-boat destroyer (TBD).
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Post by MarkG on Apr 12, 2005 11:29:57 GMT
It is Lightwave: I have it at home on my PC. Heck, Hines could always email me his scene files, then we could double his rendering power for the movie .
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Post by Gnorn on Apr 12, 2005 15:26:34 GMT
Thansk all for the help, guys! :-)
-Gnorn
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Post by RustiSwordz on Apr 12, 2005 20:17:30 GMT
Its Rolf Harris...
drunk...
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Post by bosko on Apr 14, 2005 11:40:36 GMT
What is 'Lightwave' like? Is it a professional program? And is it easy to use? I guess the last question I have is whether it's expensive? Thanks guys
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Post by Gnorn on Apr 14, 2005 16:50:28 GMT
Bosko, check out www.newtek.com , the dudes who develop Lightwave. -Gnorn
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Post by MarkG on Apr 14, 2005 20:58:35 GMT
Yes. It was used for Babylon 5, model-making in the Final Fantasy movie, at least one feature-length CGI movie with a budget, and numerous ads and TV show effects. Kind of. It's basically an Amiga program that was ported to the PC, so it doesn't have a standard PC interface . About $1000 I think. But you can spend vast amounts more on plug-ins for it for doing fancy effects if you want.
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Post by Gnorn on Apr 15, 2005 0:49:10 GMT
Well, it's definitly out of my scope... I think I can't even afford a new computer :-(
-Gnorn
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Post by Crook on Apr 16, 2005 0:02:57 GMT
It is LW. I use it everyday. It's an odd choice of software, certainly not the industry choice for most feature films, which would be Maya these days. Certainly that shot tells a story. Looks like a single workstation for the FX then. There's low budget and then theres not even straight to video films. This seems to be the latter.
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Post by Lensman on Apr 17, 2005 9:59:02 GMT
Looks like a single workstation for the FX then. Look a little closer. The caption says that's an actor sitting by the computer. Obviously, they don't have actors doing their CGI. And as has been pointed out, it's extremely unlikely they're doing CGI rendering in the same room as model building. In other words: It's a staged publicity shot.
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Post by Crook on Apr 17, 2005 15:00:55 GMT
Yeah, I read that but I highly doubt they'd move the CGI department just to stage a publicity shot, or even a single workstation. They've got a set with a greenscreen, a model or two and a workstation for the 'CG guy', wherever he is. If this is a staged publicity shot, why make yourself appear so mickey mouse?
Just take a pic of your stack of render machines and workstation room with your 20 modelers, texturers and animators, then go see the greenscreen set with all the miniatures.
To tackle this film they need a real FX crew, not a few guys trying their best. At 40 million, this is not an FX crew. It's a joke. Which is a real shame. I don't want to get crucified here, but I've joined the 'Hines is wasting everyones time' camp now. That picture seems to be proof.
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Post by Lensman on Apr 17, 2005 20:49:19 GMT
The latest quote from Mr. Hines says $20 million, down from a previous claim of $42 million. Apparently the amount fluctuates as investors come and go.
Why would they, as someone suggested, wheel a desk with a PC on it into the miniatures studio, put a CGI shot onto the computer screen and pose an actor in front of it? Good question. We've discussed that, but I don't think anyone has come up with a good answer. I suggested it's a sort of composite promo shot designed to be placed in magazines etc. where they might get a single picture but not a photo spread, but I admit I don't understand why it wouldn't have been better to have joined together a few smaller photos of various areas to better achieve the same purpose.
It's not likely that Pendragon is doing computer rendering in the same room with miniature photography. Miniature houses are usually photographed in smoke, and smoke is very bad for computers. And considering the number of FX shots necessary to do WotW, even a straight-to-video movie is unlikely to use only a single workstation for CGI work.
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Post by mctoddridesagain on Apr 18, 2005 9:35:40 GMT
Of course no professional outfit would put their rendering computers in the same room as their miniature stage.
On the other hand…
Of course no professional outfit would stage such an inept publicity shot.
But what you’re all forgetting is that it’s impossible to judge Timbo’s actions by any professional yardstick because he’s such an amateurish hack it’s clear he has barely any idea what he’s doing.
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Post by MarkG on Apr 18, 2005 11:35:36 GMT
This is a Pendragon movie: they don't do anything the 'obvious' way... I could quite accept that their actors were doing the CGI effects too.
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