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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Mar 26, 2005 2:39:57 GMT
I feel the same way as you, FallingStar - that little frisson of excitement that something may be turning up, that Hines has finally got his act together; I make a cautiously optimistic post, and ponder what may be. Then I re-read that press release; and again; and again. And then I review the trailers, again; and again; and again. And then I mull over everything that Hines has said before. And then I start to feel irritated, and angry - again. Because that release is simply full of self-aggrandising BS. $20m? Wasn't it $12.5m according to Timbo recently? Not to mention how originally it was said to be $42m. The guy can't get his story straight from one irritating intervention to the next. The trotting out of the Lucas conspiracy. The bland allegation that other big films have been delayed - have they? And even if they have, did their producers wait until a fortnight before the supposed release to announce, 'Hey guys, I'm so determined to ensure that this film is great that I'm delaying for a month.' And given that the DVD is set for release on 15 June, how plausible is it that the film will get a general cinematic release in April, a scant two months earlier? That has 'bollocks' stamped all over it in big, fetid, sweaty letters. I know Charles is sincere in his belief in Hines (or, rather, his belief that someone is making a faithful, period adaptation), but frankly that press release does nothing to assure me that Pendragon's film will be in a cinema near you, nor that it will be any good. Yes, the ever changing budget ey, and even though syrtismajor has confirmed the Lucas rumours are true, has anyone heard the discourage, discredit Pendragon rumours?
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Mar 26, 2005 2:46:42 GMT
You dont need a big budget to make a good movie. Just look at Easy Rider, it was an amature film...now its a classic of cinema ;D It's certainly true that you don't need a big budget to make a good movie but WOTW is an epic sci fi tale that needs more than a few special effects. Surely great special effects cost a bit even if people aren't asking for fees upfront. Plus all the extras that might be required. Don't forget that Easy Rider didn't require a huge load of special effects.
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Post by Gerkinman on Mar 26, 2005 2:56:36 GMT
It's certainly true that you don't need a big budget to make a good movie but WOTW is an epic sci fi tale that needs more than a few special effects. Surely great special effects cost a bit even if people aren't asking for fees upfront. Plus all the extras that might be required. Don't forget that Easy Rider didn't require a huge load of special effects.
True, but even the first Star Wars was made with a budget of $8Mill, theres always away to gain the desired special effects without spending a bazillion dollars, the expensive way is just quicker and easier.
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Post by McTodd on Mar 26, 2005 3:04:49 GMT
$8m (though I suspect it was nearer $10m) nearly 30 years ago.
I agree that you don't have to spend zillions of dollars for good effects - if you have the talent.
I just don't think Hines has.
In any case, it's not just about the effects, there are little things like the acting, editing, directing, general craftsmanship. None of which Hines possesses in spades, going by the trailers, and what little can be seen of his other (aborted) films.
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Post by timeship2 on Mar 26, 2005 3:21:45 GMT
Just how long can he stretch this piece of string? Oh well here we go again. It's not like we didn't see this one coming did we...
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Post by McTodd on Mar 26, 2005 3:41:46 GMT
...has anyone heard the discourage, discredit Pendragon rumours? I doubt it - like Hines needs any help from Paramount anyway, he's doing a good enough job as it is of discrediting himself.
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Post by themotile on Mar 26, 2005 4:33:29 GMT
The bit about 'thousands' off effects shots did cheer me up some what, the CG cartoon that was attack of the clones only had hundreds of effects shots, Spielbergs adaption only has hundreds of shots, ID4 had hundreds of shots....I wonder how Hines got thousands of effects shots out of a 200 page book and a tiny budget.
Going from the poster the goz eyed martians are CG, I wonder if they float about about like the other CG elements? (*ahem* Big Ben *ahem*)
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Post by Cylinder on Mar 26, 2005 5:37:14 GMT
Another great "the dog ate my homework" excuse from Smugmaster Hines
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Post by RustiSwordz on Mar 26, 2005 7:09:56 GMT
Hmm do you smell that...
... it smells like another pack of crying wolfs if you ask me....
TH no one believes you and until i get this fim into the United Kingdom to see it for myself i will always believe it to be a pile of crap.
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Post by Cabbie on Mar 26, 2005 8:44:42 GMT
I like the look of the new poster, I doubt the film will get a cinema release in the United Kingdom though....
shame, but Im just glad there is a victorian version coming out@ some point. If it is utter cak then I shall still watch it over & over simply because it is War of the Worlds.
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Post by Rob on Mar 26, 2005 9:11:24 GMT
It is disappointing that this news is only released a few days before the film was supposed to be released. Obviously I am excited as even I had begun to believe that the film was never gonna see the light of day.
I think we should try and not let ourselves get into the same arguements again though, like people have said in the past, most arguements have already been talked about to their logical end. Lets try and keep discussion simply about the new information.
Glad to see we're still getting the film, It'd be a shame if all the work that has obviously been put in was for nothing.
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Post by the Donal on Mar 26, 2005 12:18:29 GMT
Interesting news. At least we know that the film is still in production and that at some point, we'll be able to see it and then judge if it's any good or not.
I thought that the Lucas comments were name dropping at first and the comparisons to other late movies were also tagging his movie into the same class as these- but maybe he's just aiming high despite where he is standing. (BTW- A New Hope was late due to production difficulties- they therefore kept running teaser trailers to keep the tension building).
Still, at least we've heard something, whether we choose to believe/have face in it or not...
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Post by themotile on Mar 26, 2005 15:07:58 GMT
Well said Tom LOL ;D
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Mar 26, 2005 15:11:26 GMT
erm ...stop being so negative peeps ..please ...its new news innit ...seems the film is still on surely thats good ...innit I don't give a to$$ about backstage politics or the size of the budget ...all I am interested in tis getting my backside down on a cinema seat watching it Thanks Charles !! much apprieciated ;D ;D
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Post by TOMAHAWK on Mar 26, 2005 15:14:47 GMT
However that said ....i hopefull will be able to get my grubby hands on the dvd as i will be in the states at that time ....yeee haaa
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 26, 2005 18:04:31 GMT
1: Charles - DO YOU 'ROOM' with TIM HINES ? Why are you his ONLY PR Source ?
2: This post verges UTILIZES a number of clear and cut progoganda techniques and as such I find it INCREDIBLY DISHONEST and INSULTING.
Does anyone feel like this man is taking the P*SS out of us ? BECAUSE I DO!!
a) 'alleging' and then denying involvment by George Lucas - what a dirty trick.
Propaganda technique 1
whilst we are talking about that I'd personally like to deny that George Lucas has been staying in my spare room during February and continually picking my brains for 'ideas on how to end 'the pithy sithy flick' ( that's what he calls it - what can I say).
I'd also like to categorically clear up the ridiculous rumors that Steven (spielberg) has been ringing me night and day 'in floods of tears' terrified about the emotional impact that Pendragons' picture is taking on his family. Clearly, it should be obvious due to the time delay that he only ever rings early evening.
b) 'associating HIS delay's with other GREAT movies' implication being he is making an Empire Strikes back or an Apocalypse now.
Propaganda Technique 1 - associate yourself with greatness again.
The reason I have not been see down my local pub for the last seven years is that I've been building a pyramid in my back garden. As you know it's a time consuming and expensive process - look at the Giza pyramids - took anything from 10 to 10,000 years.
c) DDP ? isn't this slander - HE IS ACTUALLY STATING THAT DREAMWORKS have teams of people PAID to sabotage other ventures COME ON - THAT'S INSULTING TO SPIELBERG.
Propaganda Technique no 2 - name calling.
My neighbour has been resorting to stealing bricks - is it any wonder that I'll never finish this pyramid. What a thieving scum-bag.
d) Test audiences have reacted with strong emotions ranging from tears to triumphant. "I'm not surprised at the powerful reaction to the movie from our test groups," says Hines. "We did the book.
Propaganda technique no 3 - glittering generalities.
e) Book one - the Lost Film'/'Alls well that ends wells'
or two very long essays in the art of 'blamestorming'
I think its seriously DISGUSTING to associate ANYTHING relating to this work with September 11th. THAT will be Propoganda Technique no 4 - Go look that one up yourselves. Emotional manipulation. 'guiltstorming' or 'ain't I a nice guy'
I am unable to finish my pyramid becuase the local council have refused my planning permission for a 500mtr high tomb in the middle of seattle. furthermore it is with respect to the orphans of a small war in Vulgaria that I will change it's planned format from 'tomb to womb'. I chose 'birth over death'
I seriously don't like the way this guy does business - I'm quite frankly fed up of being on the end of his little 7 year hook.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 26, 2005 18:11:20 GMT
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Post by Thunder Child on Mar 26, 2005 18:42:21 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]GO PENDRAGON[/glow]
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Post by dudalb on Mar 26, 2005 18:59:30 GMT
Please don't tell me that somebody actually believes this Lucas finianced WOTW crap??? It make no sense. WOTW opens Six weeks after ROTS. ROTS box office fate would have been decided by then....not to mention that a few other films such as "Batman Begins"and the Burton/Depp "Willy Wonka and the Cholcalate Factory", which could provide some real competition to ROTS open between WOTW and ROTS. If Lucas wanted to do something underhanded to stop WOTW..which I don't think he does...there are lots better ways he could have spent 12/20 Million bucks then finiancing a cheap film. And if Lucas was invovled, beleive me Lucas has enough muscle that, even working behind the scenes, the film would have gotten distriubution. Same thing with the Paramount is persecuting poor TH theory. Paramount , when Hines first approached them, took one look at Hines record, and decided no way they would place so valuable a property are the remake rights to WOTW in his hand. I guarantee, any worries that Paramount and Speilberg had about the Pendragon film vanished right after they saw the first footage. IMHO Hines denounced a rumor that never even made it into the big time internet fan rumor leagues because he could drag in the names "Lucas" and "Spielberg" to try to get a little attentiion.
"GO PENDRAGON " Wow, that is an brilliant defense of Tim Hines. I swear, I have images of some Hines loyalists drinking the Kool Aid at some point along the line when it becomes clear the guy is a hack and\or a phony..
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Post by Thunder Child on Mar 26, 2005 19:05:32 GMT
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