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Post by HTT on Mar 16, 2005 11:51:20 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Does anyone really need to spend that amount of money to get really good FX these days? I personally think the amount of money spent on CGI isn't necessary - you can do a lot with a limited budget.
Look at the artist Dave McKean. The opening titles for Neverwhere were done on his Mac at home. He's done MirrorMask on a vastly lower budget then Pendragon has, and look how beautiful the FX in the trailer look.
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Post by McTodd on Mar 16, 2005 13:49:22 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Look at the artist Dave McKean. The opening titles for Neverwhere were done on his Mac at home. He's done MirrorMask on a vastly lower budget then Pendragon has, and look how beautiful the FX in the trailer look. [/glow] Which only emphasises Pendragon's lack of talent, sadly.
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Post by themotile on Mar 16, 2005 13:57:48 GMT
Lets look at it this way. . . .TH has made a movie for fans, for fans to purchase on DVD, to be seen (maybe) at selected cinamas of his choice for some of his fans, to then release the movie before Speilbergs to please the fans. Hines doesnt give a toss about the fans, hes proved that by shunning the fan base completely. He made that film for himself and the money, full stop. The reason its only being picked up a by a distributer that only distributes crap films is because its crap and they know anything with that title will make money after Spielberg unleashes his creation onto the world. Just beacuse it was based on a good book doesnt make its a good film, its a crap film and nothing to look forward to and more fool those who actualy order it from the states, you might as well flush your cash down the bog.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 16, 2005 14:10:06 GMT
Hines doesnt give a toss about the fans, hes proved that by shunning the fan base completely. He made that film for himself and the money, full stop. The reason its only being picked up a by a distributer that only distributes crap films is because its crap and they know anything with that title will make money after Spielberg unleashes his creation onto the world. Just beacuse it was based on a good book doesnt make its a good film, its a crap film and nothing to look forward to and more fool those who actualy order it from the states, you might as well flush your cash down the bog. Any chance you can give us a review of the film as you have seen it, well you do refere to it as being 'crap', so you must have seen it in its entirety
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Post by HTT on Mar 16, 2005 14:10:56 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Not necessarily!
Using a 'cr*p' distributor doesn't mean the film is cr*p. His choice of distributor may be limited, with others not wanting to jeapordise any forthcoming relationship with Paramount.
You may think it's a crap film with nothing to look forward to, but you don't know that. OK, I may be a fool for importing it from the States, but at least I have the choice to see it and make my own decision. And if I wasted some money - so what! It's only money.[/glow]
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 16, 2005 14:18:07 GMT
We cover for all tastes on here you know, WOTW and now finance.
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Post by Boz on Mar 16, 2005 14:23:04 GMT
I was suprised that a book such as War of the Worlds had such an enthusiastic fan base. I'm not sure any director ever makes a film 'for the fans' and don't think anyone ever should. This whole project is - and presumably was always going to be - a minor one. Hundreds of cheap movies are churned out every year. Most recieve no press interest and only a handful of people ever see them. The fact that it's been getting coverage in the popular press is entirely due to Spielberg's movie. They are from very different worlds. I don't think there's much point in debating which film will be better. Hines will be no doubt flattered that his film is generating so much interest.
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Post by McTodd on Mar 16, 2005 14:56:39 GMT
Any chance you can give us a review of the film as you have seen it, well you do refere to it as being 'crap', so you must have seen it in its entirety Of course it’s a dog, if it wasn’t Hines would be showing it off, teasing us with more trailers. The dead silence from him is a sad indicator of how much confidence he must have in it. Apart from anything else, wasn’t he going to give Charles some good news a while ago? What happened there? After all, Charles has been one of his greatest supporters, and Hinesy Boy can’t even be bothered to spend two minutes writing him an email, even if all he said was, ‘Hi Charles, Sorry, bit of a ’mare, it’s going a bit Pete Tong at the moment, Speak soon, Lots of love, Timbo.’
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 16, 2005 15:03:02 GMT
Really that is something that only Charles can comment on if he wishes too.
But who says that Charles has to post all if any of the mails between him and Hines. Its nice to know that Charles has gone out of his way to do this for us, now differant from anyone else on this board or other sites around the world. There are things that some of us know that can't be shared, be it that its not time to release or just simply cant be repeated. If I was to share most of the stuff I know, blimey you would all have a field day.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Mar 16, 2005 15:16:39 GMT
I love films like wing commander and judge dredd. they are appaling films i grant you but have a certain quirky 'entertainment value' which if you dont look to deeply makes the films cool.
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Post by themotile on Mar 16, 2005 16:27:50 GMT
I love films like wing commander and judge dredd. they are appaling films i grant you but have a certain quirky 'entertainment value' which if you dont look to deeply makes the films cool. Rusti tut tut! Judge Dredd was an amazing feat of production design genius! The skill that went into that film was awsome (im not saying the film was awsome, far from it). The attention to detail was fantastic, ok not all the design were greate, the bike was crap and the new helmet lacked the menace of the comic helmet but the city and vehicles were ace. Pitty about the plot, the acting, Stalone etc etc...
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Post by themotile on Mar 16, 2005 16:37:22 GMT
Any chance you can give us a review of the film as you have seen it, well you do refere to it as being 'crap', so you must have seen it in its entirety The idea that its anything other than crap is based on pure faith and a blind hope it will be something more. I base my opinions on all the evidence seen so far, ALL the evidence, nothing they have released so far gives the indication it will be anything other than complete CRAP. What do you think PP has done? Shown us the worst bits first and the rest is complete gold eh? They have shown us the "choice bits" and it was dire. THAT is what I base my opinion on, not some misguided loyalty to a book. That distributer only sells crap films, do a search and find one film they have distributed that isnt crap. Thats a bad bad sign. This film should be added to the list of WOTW tripe merchandise and not treated like a real authentic movie adaptation, treat it with the contempt it deserves, look forward to it in that context and you wont be disapointed.
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Post by McTodd on Mar 16, 2005 16:37:27 GMT
Really that is something that only Charles can comment on if he wishes too. True, but Charles did at the very least imply that he would let us know if Timbo had been in touch - I'm not asking that he post every word. If Hinesy had contacted him, I'm sure he'd have mentioned it, if only to say, 'News from PP, but it's hush-hush.'
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Post by RustiSwordz on Mar 16, 2005 17:02:17 GMT
Rusti tut tut! Judge Dredd was an amazing feat of production design genius! The skill that went into that film was awsome (im not saying the film was awsome, far from it). The attention to detail was fantastic, ok not all the design were greate, the bike was crap and the new helmet lacked the menace of the comic helmet but the city and vehicles were ace. Pitty about the plot, the acting, Stalone etc etc... I never said the design was crap, the technical skill of the film was fantastic. and the Kevin oniell designs were brilliant the ABC warrior!
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Post by themotile on Mar 16, 2005 18:04:28 GMT
I never said the design was crap, the technical skill of the film was fantastic. and the Kevin oniell designs were brilliant the ABC warrior! Exactly rusti, it cant be used in any comparison for that exact reason.
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Post by dudalb on Mar 16, 2005 18:07:14 GMT
"It basically looks like a really bad SW fan film. I have a feeling that's what this project basically is, a fan film made by an amateur. And we fell for it" That just about sums it up. There is nothing wrong with fan films per se, but don't sell them as professional level blockbusters and don't expect me to pay Ten bucks/Five Pounds to see something that should be shown at a Sci Fi convention. What gets to me is the way some people are blaming everybody but Pendragon and Hines for this fiasco. So this film will end up premering on a DVD rack between "Attack of the Blood Sucking Zombies" and "Sex Crazed Teen Age Cheerleaders Go Wild". He could'nt even find a respectable DVD company but had to go with one that specialises in cheap, Grade Z exploitation filmd. Sad. H.G. Wells, deserved better, he really does. BTW any film made that is aimed at "The Fans" is likely to be a terrible movie, and will end up attratcting nobody but the hardcore fans.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 16, 2005 20:22:50 GMT
I'll go and gret a shovel before the mole hill turns anymore into a mountain ;D
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Post by HTT on Mar 17, 2005 10:10:13 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]Dammit! I thought we'd broken the PP bashing cycle and were getting into some good debate about films in general*!! So, back to the original posts, and what we rate movies on: Story-led or CGI/Stars/Budget - or entertainment factor.
With Judge Dredd, I agree with the other posts. Hokey story - massive deviation from original, duff dialog, dubious FX (and comedy), bad acting, etc. But it is entertaining, and the end result is a good movie. Also, there's Sandra Bullock in a Judges outfit... Perhaps that's another thing we rate movies on: The Phwoar factor - not so much as who's in it, but what they look like?
* Yes, we're in a Pendragon thread, but lets not keep repeating the same tired old arguments.[/glow]
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Post by David Faltskog on Mar 17, 2005 10:29:11 GMT
Erm...Sandra Bullock was,nt in "Judge Dredd", but she was in "Demolition Man". D.F.
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Post by HTT on Mar 17, 2005 11:54:43 GMT
[glow=purple,2,300]D'oh!! Well, Diane Lane does look a bit similar to Sandy..., and the costumes in both weren't exactly dissimilar!
Anyhoo, Lads & lezzas have Diane, Gals and gays have Stallone. If some haggard old trout was cast, the Phwoar factor is lost, and the film loses a lot. After all, Dredd is supposed to be damn ugly - scarred, burnt, grafted, implants...[/glow]
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