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Post by Lensman on Mar 4, 2005 8:40:59 GMT
An open question for our moderators:
I've just had an extremely unpleasant experience reading the new posts on the "30 days and counting" thread. I wonder if it's possible to set up a new separate forum for discussion of the Pendragon Pictures Movie, restricted to those who want to engage in honest discussion and debate -- not spread bile and poison all over.
I know this is a concern for those who run this place, because Nerfy has mentioned that some folks have been so turned off by all this negativity that they don't feel comfortable posting anymore.
If we can't get a separate forum, are there other options? Can we at least have a warning icon that moderators can add as a marker to threads that contain posts that abandon any pretense of politeness and common courtesy?
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Post by HTT on Mar 4, 2005 9:53:09 GMT
I agree it would be nice - but then, sooner or later, the polite forum will also degenerate. After all, how many times have Moderators stepped in with warnings, that are all to soon forgotten!
It's mainly the responsibility of each of us to control ourselves. If we see something potentially flammable, we need to walk away, think, and calm down before responding. I do notice that sometimes posts are exchanged so quickly, that little thought is given to how they can be interpreted, and this snowballs on...
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 4, 2005 10:24:55 GMT
good idea lensman...
yeah - cool , can the warning icon be a chain-saw ripping into the belly of a pipe smoking, slipper wearing 'Do you have Fly fishing by J.R Hartley' doddering old fart - who previous to the chainsaw wielding madman bursting through his front door, was quietly sat in his comfy old leather armchair in front of the fire pulling hideous faces of joy at a third generation bootleg Betamax copy of Dynasty.
Can we have blood geysers splurging everywhere and his eyes swollen to the point of explosion, bulging out of their sockets like huge wet golf ball sized bloodshot silverskin onions - staring in terror at the sight of his own flesh spattering onto the mask of his slayer - mouth brimming with blood, wide open and screaming his last breath - and by the side of the chair a completely severed arm twitching on the carpet - clutching a blood splattered copy of H.G Wells WOTW, the shredded fingers still clawing forward grinding the torn bloody nails to the bone as they tear into the text..
That icon should ensure no 'sensitives' stray into, and get drowned in, any kind of 'bad-idea-swamp' by mistake..
plus - should we set an age limit to certain posts?- since I now realise there are obviously juniors posting on the forum..
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Post by Lensman on Mar 4, 2005 10:35:46 GMT
I agree it would be nice - but then, sooner or later, the polite forum will also degenerate. Sorry, I should have been more specific. I'm asking for a forum with more stringent standards on posts. The ideal solution would be to set it up so moderators could ban any jerks who posted there, but not ban them from the more "open" forums. Of course, that may not be technically possible, depending on how this website is set up. |
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Post by Lensman on Mar 4, 2005 10:40:58 GMT
Can we have blood geysers splurging everywhere and his eyes swollen to the point of explosion, Thanx for providing an excellent example of what I'm talking about, Flynn. |
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 4, 2005 10:43:07 GMT
your welcome..
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Mar 4, 2005 11:25:41 GMT
An open question for our moderators: I've just had an extremely unpleasant experience reading the new posts on the "30 days and counting" thread. I wonder if it's possible to set up a new separate forum for discussion of the Pendragon Pictures Movie, restricted to those who want to engage in honest discussion and debate -- not spread bile and poison all over. I know this is a concern for those who run this place, because Nerfy has mentioned that some folks have been so turned off by all this negativity that they don't feel comfortable posting anymore. If we can't get a separate forum, are there other options? Can we at least have a warning icon that moderators can add as a marker to threads that contain posts that abandon any pretense of politeness and common courtesy? As you may understand, this does take time to do yet aloan cost money to acheive, not saying it would be a waste of time but in many ways those (and I now who) will still come along to that one and rock the boat. However, I am new to this board as a moderator, but not new as a member/observer as I have been here a long time. I will pass the details you have given onto the other moderators and the owner of this site for them to view, but me as a individual cannot at this stage go ahead and do this. However I have been making notes of those content is going out of arms way to cause upset and trouble and I will be speaking with them, also speaking with the Webmaster of this site to see what we are to do with them if they continue to ignore our warnings. You may think it is easy for me to say, but when you see a heated debate or argument appear, stay away. Those that cause the problem either get kicks from what there are doing, like the attention they get, but one thing is for sure - they are the one's making a 'prat' out of themselves on a public furum, while others sit back laughing at them. H_C |
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Post by Rob on Mar 4, 2005 12:09:39 GMT
Hey Lensman,
Sadly I don't think this will be possible, for one it is impossible for us to closely monitor posts as the moderation team is not a constant presense on the board. Also, the chances are that everyone has a different idea of what polite and peaceful is and so it will prove impossible to enforce rules when the rules mean different things to different people. I know that it often gets quite heated but these are passionate times for all fans.
I don't think another board is a good idea, rest assured that the forum rules are enforced to the best of our abilities and will continue to be.
Rob
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Post by notobfukwiv on Mar 4, 2005 12:33:06 GMT
Apart from the 'banter', sometimes heated, which is exchanged between individuals periodically, I see no evidence to suggest that some contributors are deliberately going out of their way to be impolite and discourteous. Opinions that are regarded as 'bile' and 'poison' lack depth and tell me, as an observer, very little.
If contributors have a need to air their views, regardless of their stance, the opportunity for them to do that must be free and open. I'm sure this board recognises that.
Posters are frequently asking questions and seek answers. Pendragon have chosen not to communicate in any regard and so some contributors will attempt to answers these questions based on what they know/see and what is reflected within Pendragon's practise. Although some views are strong, I have to disagree that their aim is to spread bile/poison. Individuals at Pendragon should be held accountable and any views aired here that attempt to highlight issues surrounding 'courtesy' should be channelled in the direction of Pendragon and not the contributors. Incidentally, I have tried to contact Pendragon, as many have to no avail. That just about sums up how Pendragon defines the word courtesy.
Finally, I'd like to make myself clear to observers who are beginning to take views personally and I'm sure I speak for a proportion of contributors. My views that are openly expressed here are by no means personal but rather professional, I can appreciate that some views will be a bitter pill for some to swallow. Therefore it is up to them to present arguments that contain real substance rather than 'wait and see'. Perhaps some of the critisism put forward will tease out a response from Pendragon and then I'm sure many, myself included, will welcome that with open arms albeit late. It would certainly put an end to some issues currently being discussed. One thing is clear, the courtious approach/message just doesn't seem to hit home with Pendragon and that will only lead to some contributors venting their views.
Regards
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 4, 2005 13:09:56 GMT
well said noto..
Personally my own outbursts ( extreme as they may occasionally be but never aimed at a personal level also) are from the sheer frustration of the wierdness of it. (I can't speak for anyone else's). I have a particularly odd way of dealing with the craziness of this whole experience but why do we always end up with someone wanting to stop 'free debate.
You should understand - we people CARE about this Pendragon Movie. We want to see it succeed - we want it to be something we can CHERISH. Just because you don't like our 'style' of debate doesn't call for a 'class system' to be implemented.
Now I agree that offensive, personal insulting and threatening behavior should be moderated but the rest - dozy foolish opinion should be let to run.
Quite honestly I seen certain people dole out what I consider to be incredibly patronising and condescending elitist judgments - but I never complain or try to restrict their rights to say those things...
Part of me is laughing coz it's so absurd - but inside I'm just morbidly burnt out by the whole rollercoaster ride that is endemic with following this motion picture to frution. It's seriously hard work becoming emotionally attached to this whole thing and then continually getting thoses hopes dashed.
Man, I'm going to need psychotherapy after this.
After about 12 months of this you may well find even YOU begin to become a little 'off the wall' about things..
(good call Rob - even though I maybe borderline 'idiot' and perhaps on your list of 'most stupid' )
;-)
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Post by themotile on Mar 4, 2005 16:11:24 GMT
As you may understand, this does take time to do yet aloan cost money to acheive, not saying it would be a waste of time but in many ways those (and I now who) will still come along to that one and rock the boat. However, I am new to this board as a moderator, but not new as a member/observer as I have been here a long time. I will pass the details you have given onto the other moderators and the owner of this site for them to view, but me as a individual cannot at this stage go ahead and do this. However I have been making notes of those content is going out of arms way to cause upset and trouble and I will be speaking with them, also speaking with the Webmaster of this site to see what we are to do with them if they continue to ignore our warnings. You may think it is easy for me to say, but when you see a heated debate or argument appear, stay away. Those that cause the problem either get kicks from what there are doing, like the attention they get, but one thing is for sure - they are the one's making a 'prat' out of themselves on a public furum, while others sit back laughing at them. H_C I cant believe I am reading this from a MODERATOR H_C, thats the most one sided unfair pile of sprockets I have read in a while. So you have personaly singled out some guys have you? Have a list do you? Based on what may I ask....opinion? Spelling? Grammer? A Mod should be fair before anything else, not pandering to the far right opinions that borders on fascism through segregation. I am willing to bet those on your list "you know who they are" have never attacked any other posters or called for any one to be banned or segregated have they? Didnt think so. Its pathetic and it disturbs me. Im thankful the "owner" doesnt pander to the whims of the far right it would be a sorry forum indeed, and very quiet too. |
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Post by themotile on Mar 4, 2005 16:15:09 GMT
An open question for our moderators: I've just had an extremely unpleasant experience reading the new posts on the "30 days and counting" thread. I wonder if it's possible to set up a new separate forum for discussion of the Pendragon Pictures Movie, restricted to those who want to engage in honest discussion and debate -- not spread bile and poison all over. I know this is a concern for those who run this place, because Nerfy has mentioned that some folks have been so turned off by all this negativity that they don't feel comfortable posting anymore. If we can't get a separate forum, are there other options? Can we at least have a warning icon that moderators can add as a marker to threads that contain posts that abandon any pretense of politeness and common courtesy? Lensman, in the most polite and respectful way and with all the common courtesy I can muster, you are a fascist my friend, plain and simple. If anything any one could post could generate absolute negativity your post will garanteed. If it was designed to (which i suspect it was) then you are also a hypocrit. Many thanks. motile. |
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Post by HTT on Mar 4, 2005 16:35:25 GMT
This is exactly the kind of posts what we're talking about, Motile. Storming in on a strop, and labelling people as facists is NOT the way to go! Calm down, walk away, come back and respond in a calm manner.
Like many others, Horsell has probably read many threads, and seen many personal attacks - especially when certain members come together (such as recent exchanges between yourself and Tomohawk). This is putting off new members to the site.
I can understand you feeling singled out (after all, you do come in for a lot of flak sometimes), but remember, Horsell is talking about the WHOLE forum. We are ALL under scrutiny. It may not even be you he's thinking of - so just accept that we need to think before we leap. Horsell also says about taking action against menbers IF THEY IGNORE WARNINGS - you can't argue with that, it's very fair.
PLEASE review your 2 posts to Horsell & Lensman - they do border on the verge of personal attacks, and I can see them being offensive. And before you respond to this post... have a drink first, calm down, come back in an hour or so, and rationally respond.
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Post by themotile on Mar 4, 2005 16:49:33 GMT
That all very rational but I think I will stand by my posts. Im not attacking anybody, I am pointing out how utterly unfair a segragation idea is on the basis of who you do or do not like. A mod should not follow those ideals how ever H_C has made it quite clear he does agree with Lensman's idea of class segragation, and if any post will scare off any new free thinkers Lensmans post will without question.
I like this site and have many friends here and I do respect the site rules, however I found Lensmans post deeply offensive and to cap that I found H_C's post deeply disturbing.
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Post by Charles on Mar 4, 2005 16:54:12 GMT
That all very rational but I think I will stand by my posts. Im not attacking anybody, I am pointing out how utterly unfair a segragation idea is on the basis of who you do or do not like. A mod should not follow those ideals how ever H_C has made it quite clear he does agree with Lensman's idea of class segragation, and if any post will scare off any new free thinkers Lensmans post will without question. I like this site and have many friends here and I do respect the site rules, however I found Lensmans post deeply offensive and to cap that I found H_C's post deeply disturbing. its in my nature to try and correct what I see as folly. Du are no allowed to make up your own minds! Zat is vhat the motile is here for. Du vill believe vhat he tells you to, und du vill like it! /Basil Fawlty silly walk |
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 4, 2005 16:55:43 GMT
Quote "We are ALL under scrutiny"
OMG - what ? as someone might scrutinise bugs under a microscope...
do you know what that means - it means ( drum roll) that you HailThetripod are ....THE MARTIANS
Dum dum deh!!! dedler dedleer - dum dum darh - war woo war woo war woo war woow - ( here comes the klavinet) ching ching chinaley chinaley ching - deddler deddler - dum dum chinaley chinaley ching ( deerdeler deederler) well you know how it goes ...
;-)
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Post by themotile on Mar 4, 2005 16:58:42 GMT
Du are no allowed to make up your own minds! Zat is vhat the motile is here for. Du vill believe vhat he tells you to, und du vill like it! Ahh here we go, im going to log off now and take the advise of hailthetripod as it was good advise, go calm down and have a cup of tea. You Charles are stooping to pretty low levels taking posts out of context, however if I see something as folly I will state it so, if that person comes back with a counter argument I will concede as I have done many times here as I am often wrong. Knock yourself out Charles, I couldnt care less. |
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Post by David Faltskog on Mar 4, 2005 17:02:05 GMT
Ahh here we go, im going to log off now and take the advise of hailthetripod as it was good advise, go calm down and have a cup of tea. You Charles are stooping to pretty low levels taking posts out of context, however if I see something as folly I will state it so, if that person comes back with a counter argument I will concede as I have done many times here as I am often wrong. Knock yourself out Charles, I couldnt care less. Sounds like me before i saw the light. ;D  D.F. |
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Post by Charles on Mar 4, 2005 17:05:17 GMT
Lighten up, motile. You were the first to call someone a “fascist,” after all.
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Post by Charles on Mar 4, 2005 17:11:22 GMT
Sounds like me before i saw the light. ;D D.F. Before I convinced you I'm just a lovable, harmless little fuzzball!  |
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