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Post by damiancollier1 on Nov 14, 2006 2:45:25 GMT
CGI footage in the concert - 11 days for act 2, rushed yes, but maybe money is also to blame. Why did it take 11 days to do the cgi work?, the concert was being put together month before that. Maybe they felt that months of work was not needed if they could put something together in such a short space of time with a budget. Afterall, the concert is a multimedia show and NOT a movie. The reality behind this is that it took longer than 11 days. However, when the CGI for Act II was presented to us with just 11 days to go, it was not as we wanted it and we needed to spend those 11 days working hard to get it into shape with the CGI company. In fact the CGI company were engaged for some 5 or 6 months and were working on the CGI throughout, but we did not review a rough cut until very late in the day. The whole tour was put together in 7 months from the very first production meeting, to opening night so it was a little frenetic! Damian
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Post by Ashe Raven on Nov 14, 2006 9:23:25 GMT
What helps is the fact we are getting more than just releases here, and for that we can be thankful. How often did we get anything official from the other camps. And it's good to know you're adapting the product as it comes out. It's an evloving project, and long may it remain so, becasue isn't that wat H.G. Well's story drew from in the frst place?
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Post by HTT on Nov 14, 2006 9:40:07 GMT
Thanks Damien for taking time out to add to this, we appreciate how busy you are, and it clarifies a couple of points some people had issues with. It's a hard thing to please everyone, and with overseas fans pressing for a worldwide tour, I can see how the movie can be delayed. To me, this is no bad thing, which leads me to challenge Horsell's comments:
Re the film being rushed. Yes, he's had 28 years, and I also wouldn't call that rushing. However, work on the film only started in recent years: So the R&D was 2 years ago - there have been other commitments. I don't think Jeff should rush to get the movie completed for 2007/8 just because we're demanding it now.
Re ignoring the fans: You've misinterpreted what I said. I was saying ignore the fans calls to get the movie finished already. Jeff already engages us (they took on board the displeasure of the HulkBum eyes after all), but he should ignore the incessant complaints of "Get on with the movie", as it's just adding more pressure.
Finally: Looking like Pendragon. yes, the CGI footage for the tour was astonishing, but as I understand it, the tour CGI is a separate entity to the movie, so the animators will be creating brand new CGI elements. If they capitulate to fans demands to get the movie out, there is a risk that timescales and other commitments mean compromise, and not allowing the team to deliver the best they can.
We know the movie is in development, and that Jeff & the team are committed to it. That's enough for me. If a worldwide tour comes along and delays the film further, I'm OK with that.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Nov 14, 2006 10:45:49 GMT
BANG! BANG!, shot down in flames
"Challange Horsell" - sounds like a new ch4 show
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Post by Ashe Raven on Nov 14, 2006 10:46:47 GMT
No one can replace our favourite Common
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Nov 14, 2006 10:54:49 GMT
Last year I had a wildlife preservation and green belt slapped on me, it was painful ;D
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Post by Rob on Nov 14, 2006 14:09:56 GMT
Thanks for clearing that un Damian,
I have to agree with HTT, I'll wait for this film. We don't want a rush job and I'm convinced that Jeff and co are commited to the film project. Even if I have to wait till my 30th birthday (which is 6 years away and in 2012) then I'll be happy, as long as it does the book and the musical justice.
Yay War of the Worlds!
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Post by Ashe Raven on Nov 14, 2006 14:41:29 GMT
my God, the admins younger than me
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Nov 14, 2006 20:09:09 GMT
Thanks for clearing that un Damian, I have to agree with HTT, I'll wait for this film. We don't want a rush job and I'm convinced that Jeff and co are commited to the film project. Even if I have to wait till my 30th birthday (which is 6 years away and in 2012) then I'll be happy, as long as it does the book and the musical justice. Yay War of the Worlds! Not another 6 years Rob............please!
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Nov 14, 2006 20:22:05 GMT
Thanks Damien for taking time out to add to this, we appreciate how busy you are, and it clarifies a couple of points some people had issues with. It's a hard thing to please everyone, and with overseas fans pressing for a worldwide tour, I can see how the movie can be delayed. To me, this is no bad thing, which leads me to challenge Horsell's comments: Re the film being rushed. Yes, he's had 28 years, and I also wouldn't call that rushing. However, work on the film only started in recent years: So the R&D was 2 years ago - there have been other commitments. I don't think Jeff should rush to get the movie completed for 2007/8 just because we're demanding it now. Re ignoring the fans: You've misinterpreted what I said. I was saying ignore the fans calls to get the movie finished already. Jeff already engages us (they took on board the displeasure of the HulkBum eyes after all), but he should ignore the incessant complaints of "Get on with the movie", as it's just adding more pressure. Finally: Looking like Pendragon. yes, the CGI footage for the tour was astonishing, but as I understand it, the tour CGI is a separate entity to the movie, so the animators will be creating brand new CGI elements. If they capitulate to fans demands to get the movie out, there is a risk that timescales and other commitments mean compromise, and not allowing the team to deliver the best they can. We know the movie is in development, and that Jeff & the team are committed to it. That's enough for me. If a worldwide tour comes along and delays the film further, I'm OK with that. Thanks also, for the info Damien! Obviously - I don't think anyone would want them to rush the film - far from it and if they are taking notice of what we say then that's to be applauded - and the cgi trailer for the tour certainly had a lot of plus points to it as I'm sure most on here, eveofthewar and Jeffs site will agree. I think it's just a shame if they aren't working on the film while the tours are going ahead as that will push the film back a lot further.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Nov 14, 2006 20:45:37 GMT
I think it's just a shame if they aren't working on the film while the tours are going ahead as that will push the film back a lot further. Thats what I was trying to say (in a round-about sort of way)
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Nov 14, 2006 21:29:20 GMT
I think it's just a shame if they aren't working on the film while the tours are going ahead as that will push the film back a lot further. Thats what I was trying to say (in a round-about sort of way) That's the thing. Surely the animators could get on with the film while the tours are on. The existing tour animation is pretty much suitable as a background anyway with maybe a few tweeks here and there - so I would have thought that the animators could get on with film while this going on.
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Post by Commandingtripod on Nov 15, 2006 7:03:24 GMT
That's the thing. Surely the animators could get on with the film while the tours are on. The existing tour animation is pretty much suitable as a background anyway with maybe a few tweeks here and there - so I would have thought that the animators could get on with film while this going on. Who is doing the animation for Jeff's film? I know Mediastation have produced the anmiation for the Live Tour but I don't believe it's them creating the film.
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Post by HTT on Nov 15, 2006 9:52:07 GMT
If the movie is CGI only, then Jeff will have to find the time to record and direct the vocal track, pace it out, plan the score/musical cues so that the animators can match the CGI to it. If it's live action with CGI, then in addition to the above, he needs to film the live sequences as well. Then he also has to find the time to direct the animators, review pre-viz, map it to musical cues and pace it out - then sign off the shot for render, then review it to see if it works or needs tweaking... Jeff just won't have the time to devote to all that whilst the tours are on, so if the animators just get on with it, Jeff could end up with a whole lot of wasted money if he isn't happy with what's been created in his absence.
We have to remember that Jeff is making a movie of the book, with his music as a basis for the soundtrack - it's not a movie of the musical, and therefore not as easy for the animators to interpret Jeff's vision.
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Post by Killraven on Nov 15, 2006 14:05:53 GMT
I can't imagine it will be CGI mixed with live action. Very difficult to do this without the result looking either hilarious or naff. Fine in a live show context of course, as has been ably demonstrated KR
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Nov 15, 2006 17:03:42 GMT
I can't imagine it will be CGI mixed with live action. Very difficult to do this without the result looking either hilarious or naff. Fine in a live show context of course, as has been ably demonstrated KR If the cgi humans aren't up to scratch - then believe me that will look ten times worse! It will look like nothing more than one of those cgi kids programmes. As we've discussed before - The New Captain Scarlet is impressive for a kids show but do we really want to see a WOTW film - a film based on the father of science fictions stories to be like that? The only films I think that come anywhere near to having acceptable humans for a WOTW film are Final Fantasy and its sequel Advents Children.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Nov 15, 2006 18:24:08 GMT
Were a few years away yet with this movie. I don't think anyone can say for sure if the film will have real actors or CGI, specially this early into production. Best not to dwell on it too much until we get a better, more accurate understanding as to what is going on with the film.
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Post by Killraven on Nov 16, 2006 13:12:55 GMT
True, but speculation's in our nature All I was saying is that JW would have to be oh so clever merging live action to avoid the result looking something like Captain Zep...lol ;D KR
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Nov 16, 2006 22:53:57 GMT
Captain Zep Killraven?
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Post by Lensman on Nov 17, 2006 10:42:24 GMT
Jon, doesn't Paramount own the rights to the title of 'War of the Worlds' & Jeff owns the rights to ' THE War of the worlds'. Im sure I heard somewhere, on the de-construcing dvd i think, that there is a difference between having the ' THE' at the beginning, & not, with regards the rights? It baffles me that this myth keeps getting repeated again and again. Perhaps Jeff Wayne and Paramount do distinguish their adaptations by using or not using the initial "The". But if someone really did claim this had something to do with rights to the property, they were talking thru their hat. If you think an initial "The" makes any difference, I suggest you try to market a soft drink called "The Coca-Cola" and see how far you get. To repeat: You can't copyright a title, you can only trademark one. And trademarks must be distinctive; adding or subtracting a "The" isn't enuff to make it distinctive. However, too-similar movie titles (i.e, "Star Trek: The Revenge of Khan" vs. "Star Wars: Revenge of the Jedi"*) may result in an unfair competition lawsuit, or the threat of one. This is related to the so-called "common-law" trademark, which is not well established in law, but again whether or not there's an initial "The" is not enuff of a difference to matter. *Of course, in the end *neither* movie used "Revenge" in the title, so Star Trek needn't have changed their title after all!
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