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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jul 24, 2005 13:08:31 GMT
Sounds interesting but I'm sure I can speak for at least 95% of HG Wells fans. We want a decent live action version of the book. There really is no substitute for the combination of the Victorian setting and the title THE WAR OF THE WORLDS. This is what makes the story unique. I agree I want a live action verion of the book, but I dont think JW is right for that, he has good the great mucis behind him and already has a wonderful version (complete with amazing voices) and animation is the best way to show his story. I am trying to get my people together to create a version of the book that is true to the book, but it is taking longer that I want it to, the directors is a bit unsure as to if he wants it set in 2005 or 1898. He wants to follow the story but thinks it will be more cost effective to have it set in 2005. Anyone else a great director (with some funding, as thats what ours has to offer as well as his talents) that wants to make a 1898 version of the book? Please drop me a message. "Cost effective", so your planning on spending money to make a TWOTW film which means your planning on selling it to make your money back. . . . No go area if you have not seeked and obtained permission from Paramount Pictures and Jeff Wayne Music.
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Post by robkral on Jul 25, 2005 0:16:18 GMT
Horsell Common:
This reminds me: Am I correct in saying that we CANNOT have a true to the book version unless either JW makes it, or Paramount makes it? (OR, probably even more unlikely, either JW or Paramount grant permission to someone else?)?
How did Pendragon do it?
What prevents JW from making his new CGI flick "by the book"?
(My personal wish: for JW to do it by the book, with his music and designs, but to use live actors and live / CGI locations with CGI everything else).
Do you think JW will DIRECT this? His sense of timing is spot on, but it IS a different task / talent to DIRECT A MOVIE as oppposed to direct a musical recording. I wonder if he'll employ a "pro" director? Then again, being JW he may "surprise" us all and reveal he could have made a great movie director all along. (Wouldn't surprise me: but I bring it up because it IS a valid point).
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jul 25, 2005 15:23:54 GMT
As you may have already gathered, Paramount own 'only' the film rights to WOTW, hence the 2 films. Anyone wishing to make a film has to obviously contact Paramount, something that even Jeff had to do. All other incarnations on TWOTW is owned by JW, merchandising, novel, images, this being bought by Jeff and his father Jerry in the early 70s from the son of H.G.Wells (Frank) and the H.G.Wells family. So I gather from that, any film company wishing to make a film on TWOTW can do so only after receiving the rights from both Paramount & JW.
Pendragon - Too much water under the bridge where they are concerned so I wish not to go there - sorry.
JW could make his film like the book, but he has always wanted to do a film on his musicalo so from what I understand, he will be combining the two.
As for him directing it, I really cannot say. He may want to, he may get someone else to do it. Who knows at this early stage. But one thing I now for sure, he will not leave one stone unturned to get the film he wants that will please the fans and that will give us the closest thing to TWOTW. A TWOTW film is in very capable hands with Jeff, he'll do use proud Im sure. Now one else wants a authentic film version than Jeff - he has said so, and he's waited far to long , hence him picking up the reins.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jul 25, 2005 15:24:30 GMT
There's a saying "if you want it done right - do it yourself"
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jul 25, 2005 18:53:45 GMT
Horsell do you get the impression this is going to be a BIG film and very grand in scope?
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jul 25, 2005 19:15:25 GMT
If I base it on what I have heard - yes, I think it will be big film. At a guess I would say were looking at the same length duration as the Spielberg film, thats taking into account the album running time, adding the extra narration good enough to be used.
Look at how popular the album has turned out this re-launch. In the space of 6 weeks he must have sold well over 1 million copies and its still riding high in the charts with shops reporting running out of stock. Thats a good sign if I have ever seen one.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jul 25, 2005 19:41:18 GMT
I hope it's brutal and scary and blows Spielbergs film to pieces!
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Post by robkral on Jul 30, 2005 6:30:00 GMT
If I base it on what I have heard - yes, I think it will be big film. At a guess I would say were looking at the same length duration as the Spielberg film, thats taking into account the album running time, adding the extra narration good enough to be used. Look at how popular the album has turned out this re-launch. In the space of 6 weeks he must have sold well over 1 million copies and its still riding high in the charts with shops reporting running out of stock. Thats a good sign if I have ever seen one. Thank you Horsell so much for frequenting these boards. Obviously so many of us want to know things from Jeff etc.....obviously he can't frequent the boards hislef. So, thanks for being a spokesperson and a way of asking questions....its a pure privellage that we have this, and have you amongst us. We'd all like to see this as a BIG FILM for sure, and we'd love to see it met with massive success. I hope (an you may want to discuss this at some point with Jeff) Mr. Wayne has a strategy for the USA. Because here his album unfortunately is not anywhere near as well known. (GENERALLY folks just have never heard of it). This will require a lot of publicity that will need to be well advised and thought out. Big movies here often allocate up to a THIRD OF THE ENTIRE BUDGET to publicity. This might be something to be aware of and plan for a LONG time in advance. Perhaps JW doesn't NEED success in the States, but I'd sure like to see it. And not just for Jeff's good fortune (well deserved), but for the audiences here to really see THE story COME TO LIFE, adn for throngs of US audiences to finally be introduced to his powerful music. Seriously, a LONG TERM, START EARLY publicity strategy is essential here in the USA. BIG films start screening their teasers a year in advance. ("Car"s teasers started appearing a few months back already!) (The teaser might only be 30 seconds long and even show nothing from the movie, EG Jurassic Park).
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Post by vibe on Dec 19, 2006 23:23:55 GMT
'British effects houses are a lot cheaper than their American counterparts. I know they aren't yet up to the standards of ILM or perhaps Weta Digital yet but they're closing fast'.
It's now 18 months since this comment was made, but - British FX houses have for some time been on par with ILM & Weta. London has provided key FX sequences for many a Hollywood blockbuster. All of the Harry Potter movies so far, ( basilisk, hippogriff, giant spiders etc), Troy, Charlie & the Chocolate Factory. More recently Children of men ( the baby), Superman returns( the kryptonite island). Currently in production in London, amongst others - Chronicles of Narnia 2, The golden compass, Roland Emerik's 10k bc etc etc. Britain often bids againsed ILM for work & wins.
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Post by the Donal on Jan 2, 2007 22:16:52 GMT
Can't say much more on this myself and I'm sure I'm repeating myself (again!), but all I hope for is that it'll be good.
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Post by wastedyuthe on Jan 8, 2007 15:02:28 GMT
I am not really against the film being totally cg- I just think that cg that pretends to be as real as possible always makes it more noticeable that it isn't real. Look at Final Fantasy and Animatrix- they look great, but you are always thinking 'this looks ALMOST real' and constantly comparing the characters on screen to real life. If the film has characters that are more cartoon-like, then the viewer, in my experience, is taking more note of the story and what's going on, rather than spending their time comparing to real life. Besides, cg films if done right have just as much expression than real life actors- even animals etc. I think the human characters in Ice Age are a good example of what I am talking about. None of the human characters in the film actually talk, yet we know what they are feeling just by their expressions. And they are very stylish too. Another good example of style is The Yellow Submarine- the characters totally set the mood of the film (like it or loath it). If Jeff could come up with a style for his characters in a similar manner, and make sure the expressions come across as well as the latest cg characters, then it should be a masterpiece.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jan 8, 2007 16:56:23 GMT
I am not really against the film being totally cg- I just think that cg that pretends to be as real as possible always makes it more noticeable that it isn't real. Look at Final Fantasy and Animatrix- they look great, but you are always thinking 'this looks ALMOST real' and constantly comparing the characters on screen to real life. If the film has characters that are more cartoon-like, then the viewer, in my experience, is taking more note of the story and what's going on, rather than spending their time comparing to real life. Besides, cg films if done right have just as much expression than real life actors- even animals etc. I think the human characters in Ice Age are a good example of what I am talking about. None of the human characters in the film actually talk, yet we know what they are feeling just by their expressions. And they are very stylish too. Another good example of style is The Yellow Submarine- the characters totally set the mood of the film (like it or loath it). If Jeff could come up with a style for his characters in a similar manner, and make sure the expressions come across as well as the latest cg characters, then it should be a masterpiece. Do you really want to see a big screen WOTW that has cartoonish looking characters like in Ice Age or Yellow Submarine? I certainly don't and I think the film will be ripped to pieces if it's cartoon like in any way. Stylised characters work well for most animated films but something like a big screen WOTW is different. Just imagine the artilleryman with exagerated features prancing about dodging heat rays or the journalist looking like a Yellow submarine reject - people wouldn't take the film seriously! I'm not yet convinced about a totally cgi movie but I'd rather be thinking that looks almost real like F.Fantasy, than - that looks completely cartoon like. I'm not knocking you wastedyuthe but I really can't believe some of the ideas being thrown around such as 1 or 2 people wanting to see an Anime version of WOTW or a version that would effectively turn Wells story into nothing more than a cartoon. I think the only way to do Wells story justice is to make it as realistic as possible. Dark, gritty and frightening - not the type of thing you'd see on Childrens BBC on a Saturday morning!
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Post by wastedyuthe on Jan 9, 2007 9:33:08 GMT
You can have stylishly designed characters as well as it being mature enough for adults. Of course I don't want a 'childrens BBC Saturday morning' rendition either- what do you take me for? I want this to be as dark and gritty as the next man- I am a fan as well you know. And just because a character is drawn in a particular style, doesn't mean they will be 'prancing about' as you put it. And I am also not saying they should look like a Yellow Submarine character- I just gave that as an example of how the style of characters can fit in with the style of the story, rather like how I hope the characters of the cg film will fit in with The War Of The Worlds story. You say you are not knocking me- but from how you have responded I'm afraid you are, and I am also afraid you didn't read my original post properly before lashing out. "If Jeff could come up with a style for his characters in a similar manner"- meaning Jeff coming up with his own style to suit, not rip off Yellow Submarine.
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Post by Killraven on Jan 9, 2007 10:48:07 GMT
'Cartoons' can be dark and scary too, depending on how they are handled. Take 'Watership Down' for instance I also found Scarfe's animation for The Wall pretty disturbing too. Marching hammers = advancing tripods ;D KR
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Post by wastedyuthe on Jan 9, 2007 12:29:35 GMT
Rabbits being chased by hammers! Now that's scary!
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jan 9, 2007 17:42:53 GMT
You can have stylishly designed characters as well as it being mature enough for adults. Of course I don't want a 'childrens BBC Saturday morning' rendition either- what do you take me for? I want this to be as dark and gritty as the next man- I am a fan as well you know. And just because a character is drawn in a particular style, doesn't mean they will be 'prancing about' as you put it. And I am also not saying they should look like a Yellow Submarine character- I just gave that as an example of how the style of characters can fit in with the style of the story, rather like how I hope the characters of the cg film will fit in with The War Of The Worlds story. You say you are not knocking me- but from how you have responded I'm afraid you are, and I am also afraid you didn't read my original post properly before lashing out. "If Jeff could come up with a style for his characters in a similar manner"- meaning Jeff coming up with his own style to suit, not rip off Yellow Submarine. I'm sorry if it came across that way wastedyuthe. I certainly didn't mean it too and you make a very good point! I do see what you mean and I DID read your post properly. I can imagine stylised WOTW characters myself - with both very exaggerated and slightly exaggerated human features etc but as there's so many different cartoons or animation about - I think it would be exceedingly difficult to get a style of human right for this adaptation without people saying - "hey those characters look like that cartoon I saw a while back!". Maybe it would work - I don't know but I think stylised humans would STILL have to have ultra realistic skin, eyes, hair etc [ like in F.F Advents Children ] for this to be any good. If the figures just have the same amount of detail as a video game, some cheap cg animation or like something out of Ice Age etc - then that I think would be a travesty, would look cheap and be regarded as a cartoon.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jan 9, 2007 17:49:00 GMT
'Cartoons' can be dark and scary too, depending on how they are handled. Take 'Watership Down' for instance I also found Scarfe's animation for The Wall pretty disturbing too. Marching hammers = advancing tripods ;D KR Of course, animation doesn't just have to be for kids I love the animation in The Wall and W.Down is pretty disturbing in parts too but the technology now exists to bring Wells novel to life and I don't know about anyone else - I want to see it used!
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Post by wastedyuthe on Jan 9, 2007 18:28:05 GMT
Now, Fallingstar, I think we are on the same wavelength. Yes, a stylistic slightly exaggerated look but with detailed textures would look great if done right. And thanks for your kind comments Actually a good example of what I would like would be the comic version of TWOTW that was online by Darkhorse. Did you see the artwork and characters in that Fallingstar? Basically, the people had a realistic look, yet slightly exaggerated features- a lot like we are discussing. Now the same style but using highly detailed cg work would come across very well I think.
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Post by Killraven on Jan 10, 2007 13:20:35 GMT
'Cartoons' can be dark and scary too, depending on how they are handled. Take 'Watership Down' for instance I also found Scarfe's animation for The Wall pretty disturbing too. Marching hammers = advancing tripods ;D KR Of course, animation doesn't just have to be for kids I love the animation in The Wall and W.Down is pretty disturbing in parts too but the technology now exists to bring Wells novel to life and I don't know about anyone else - I want to see it used! I agree, FS. I was merely speculating on the style that the CG animation employed might take. For example, 'Flushed Away' was CG, but deliberately animated in the Aardman plasticine look we all know and love (well I do anyway! ). KR PS no, I'm not suggesting Aardman style animation for WOTW! "Wallace versus the Martians"... lol
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on Jan 10, 2007 21:01:40 GMT
Of course, animation doesn't just have to be for kids I love the animation in The Wall and W.Down is pretty disturbing in parts too but the technology now exists to bring Wells novel to life and I don't know about anyone else - I want to see it used! I agree, FS. I was merely speculating on the style that the CG animation employed might take. For example, 'Flushed Away' was CG, but deliberately animated in the Aardman plasticine look we all know and love (well I do anyway! ). KR PS no, I'm not suggesting Aardman style animation for WOTW! "Wallace versus the Martians"... lol Lol, and not forgetting Hines flying Big Ben which looked as if it was made of plasticine! ;D
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